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echopapa posted:After the Six-Day War, a furious Brezhnev called Nasser and asked, “How could you lose the war so quickly? Didn’t you listen to your Soviet military advisers?” Why did the Six-Day War end so quickly? Because the Israelis were renting their weapons by the week. Alternatively, Because on the seventh day they rested.
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Squalid posted:The channel BazBattles is similar to Historia Civilis in terms of presentation and battle illustration. I'm not entirely sure how it's researched and produced so I won't vouch for its rigor, but it does present a lot of good background detail and context about each battle while keeping each video short and focused. Cool, thanks. Here's a question, when watching the Rome series, he is meticulous in giving a play by play of the battle: this line advances, this calvary unit flanks, moves to this side, maneuvers, very detailed and up to the minute. So, what sources record stuff like this? Does Caesar break down battles maneuver by maneuver in his commentaries, or are these other historians? How confident can we be in descriptions of the exact tactics of battles thousands of years ago? zoux fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 26, 2017 03:27
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zoux posted:Cool, thanks. I don't remember if he gives his sources but I'm confident at least 90% of the details for the Gaulic campaigns in Historia Civilis could be drawn from Caesar, at times the videos felt like a recap of the commentaries. Which I appreciated since I listened to them on audiobook while doing mixed sets of high intensity cardio and frankly I think I spaced out for 50% of the narrative.
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Jul 26, 2017 05:13
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Saw Dunkirk. It's a good movie. At the end someone sitting behind me asked "does this happen before or after D-Day?"
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Jul 26, 2017 05:23
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Ice Fist posted:Saw Dunkirk. It's a good movie. Shoulda spun around and told them that it happened on D-Day
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Jul 26, 2017 05:26
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*Leans over to girlfriend when Dunkirk appears on screen, whispers* That's Dunkirk
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Jul 26, 2017 05:30
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I took my brother to go see it and used it to point out that a lot of the history we see has incredible poo poo going on behind the scenes like the siege of lille or the rest of the treaties at the end of the seven years' war. He's 17 so I had to explain Lille as "40 thousand french going full Hodor against 100k Nazis and 800 tanks knowing they'd end up dead or in prisoner camps at the end of it"
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Jul 26, 2017 05:41
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Just saw a preview screening (an hour's worth of clips) of Ken Burns' upcoming series The Vietnam War at the Moore Theater in Seattle Ken Burns, Lynn Novick, and Karl Malantes (author of Matterhorn) had a panel discussion afterwards Be super psyched if you are interested in the history of the war and the USA in the 1960s. It premieres Sunday Sept 17 on PBS
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Jul 26, 2017 05:56
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Does he still do a lot of that Ken Burns Effect when he's covering a war with so much video footage? That's the second thought that occurred. The first was "gently caress you, dude."
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Jul 26, 2017 10:05
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Keith Atherton posted:Just saw a preview screening (an hour's worth of clips) of Ken Burns' upcoming series The Vietnam War at the Moore Theater in Seattle  /psyching intensifies
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Jul 26, 2017 10:21
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Napoleon Chagnon was right, drat it
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zoux posted:I had one of those "ALMANAC OF INTERESTING FACTS" books before the advent of the internet, and one piece of trivia that's always stuck with me is that the greatest incidence of inflation in history was when the Austro-Hungarian pengo fell to 1 octillionth of it's pre-war value. So much so that I can remember that the name of the Austro-Hungarian currency is the pengo 25 years later. Unfortunately, as mentioned, you're remembering incorrectly  . Austria-Hungary, being German-y, had a nice Germanic-sounding currency -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_krone (actually, sounds rather North Germanic these days, of course). The Pengo came in in Hungary in 1927, some time after the end of the Empire - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_peng%C5%91
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Re. Versaille chat The line that "the Treaty of Versailles led directly to WWII" has a kernel of truth to it, but is far too reductive and implies a distasteful sort of historical determinism. In actual fact, there was no reason that the Treaty of Versaille had to lead to WWII or that the Weimar Republic had to fail - there were myriad opportunities for all the parties involved to resolve the issues, but in the end there was not the political will to take the sort of steps made after WWII that prevented the same thing happening again. Let's not forget that the Allies in WWII forced unconditional surrender on Germany and began with the intention of carrying out the Morgenthau Plan, but changed The primary issue with the Treaty of Versaille was that it was crafted with the intention of furnishing the vast web of inter-allied debt that had accumulated after WWI. To put it bluntly, Congress wanted US taxpayers to get their money back, which meant extracting every penny of accumulated debt from Britain and France, who had to get that money from somewhere; namely Germany and reparations. People were extremely aware from the outset that there were limits to how far Germany could be pushed in terms of payments, but France demanded the money to rebuild North-East France and without debt relief from the US the only place to get that was Germany. Weimar Germany had to impose extremely strict spending cuts in order to service their debts, and when they failed to pay in 1923, France took matters into their own hands by moving their army in, occupying the Ruhr and getting their goods directly. After this low point it was realised among the Western European powers that the current situation could not continue, and the Dawes plan was devised in order to prevent a similar situation from occurring again. This came at deep protests from the French who had to offer many concessions to Germany in order to continue to expect any sorts of payments on the Versaille reparations. This was followed in 1929 by the Young Plan, which planned a further reduction in payments. The Great Depression hit prior to the signing of the Young Plan, however, draining US money out of Germany and a wave of protectionism which totally demolished the German economy, making the Young Plan totally unworkable. President Hoover proposed payment moratoriums, but Congress refused to play ball an demanded payment in full according to the Young Plan in 1932. By this point Hitler was rising in power and Germany's willingness to pay had all but vanished, but all that meant was that Britain and France had to keep up loan payments to the US while the pipeline from Germany had dried up. At that point Britain and France effectively declared the US an irresponsible creditor and defaulted on their loans - incidentally, this is reason why the main method of getting material to Britain in WWII was "Lend-Lease", not loans, because at that point Britain was still technically a defaulted debtor to Congress. The paradox in all of this is the actions of the US in the interwar period - the US was by and large deeply uncomfortable with the degree to which it had found itself entangled in Europe during the war, and made efforts to detach itself and conduct internal affairs at arms length from the continent. What this in effect meant, as pointed out by many European politicians during the period, was that the US essentially had a veto on anything the Europeans wanted to do by means of the debt leash America could use to pull Britain and France into line. This was especially a problem for France - their main postwar concern was to build a new security arrangement in order to prevent a repeat of August 1914, but for their own reasons neither Britain nor America was interested in militarily shackling themselves to France - especially after the Ruhr Occupation. For this reason (and the US unwillingness to forgive any meaningful amount of the debt) French leaders felt compelled to both keep Germany down financially so they did not pose a threat, and extract the necessary wealth to see their own security arrangments, given that it seemed likely that neither Anglo nation could be relied on in any future war.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Does he still do a lot of that Ken Burns Effect when he's covering a war with so much video footage? I am hoping for letter-reading vignettes with Creedence/Cream/Led Zeppelin etc playing in the background.
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Jul 26, 2017 12:14
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HEY GAIL posted:if you like old weird guns, Forgotten Weapons is cool 
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Both him and Ian seem to be pleasingly non-weird about guns, it's true.
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Keith Atherton posted:Karl Malantes (author of Matterhorn) Read this, if you haven't. (spelled Marlantes)
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HEY GAIL posted:lol i hate that dude maybe he's a jerk (I wouldn't know), but it's hilarious how much the AAA tried to string him up
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bewbies posted:Read this, if you haven't. Seconded. Matterhorn is amazing!
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MikeCrotch posted:Re. Versaille chat This whole line of thinking strikes me as being based on the same kind of thinking as the whole "Great Men" approach, a desire for there to be a simple cause for insanely complex events.
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OwlFancier posted:Both him and Ian seem to be pleasingly non-weird about guns, it's true. Karl from InRange and Forgotten Weapons sometimes gets accused of being a Nazi or Wehraboo, but I think it's just because he likes to wear some German WW2 stuff when filming. All of the videos he and Ian have done that actually touch on politics have shown both of them to be sensible and far more left-wing than most other gun nuts. I think a guy in TFR said he knows Ian personally and he used to DM their D&D games, so he's as much of a nerd as you would expect from looking at him.
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feedmegin posted:Unfortunately, as mentioned, you're remembering incorrectly Everyone stop fact checking my hazy adolescent memories this instant
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chitoryu12 posted:Karl from InRange and Forgotten Weapons sometimes gets accused of being a Nazi or Wehraboo, but I think it's just because he likes to wear some German WW2 stuff when filming. All of the videos he and Ian have done that actually touch on politics have shown both of them to be sensible and far more left-wing than most other gun nuts. Especially weird considering they are from Arizona
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Yeah that's the trouble with gun stuff is it attracts the loonies a bit, but no apparently there's a gun toting Arizonian hippie who is incredibly knowledgeable about the subject.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:maybe he's a jerk (I wouldn't know), but it's hilarious how much the AAA tried to string him up edit: the author of the piece you're quoting also did this: quote:She is also known for her support of J. Michael Bailey in the face of controversy over his book The Man Who Would Be Queen (2003) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Would_Be_Queen You should probably not listen to her. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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chitoryu12 posted:Karl from InRange and Forgotten Weapons sometimes gets accused of being a Nazi or Wehraboo, but I think it's just because he likes to wear some German WW2 stuff when filming. All of the videos he and Ian have done that actually touch on politics have shown both of them to be sensible and far more left-wing than most other gun nuts. They wear period appropriate stuff all the time, so it's falls into that whole "decent person doing a kinda dumb thing but it's not really all the bad so ehhhhhhh" category I just made up
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HEY GAIL posted:he deserved it imo If he didn't actually do the things he's accused of, then he doesn't actually deserve it IMO.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:They wear period appropriate stuff all the time, so it's falls into that whole "decent person doing a kinda dumb thing but it's not really all the bad so ehhhhhhh" category I just made up I've played some regular airsoft quasi-roleplay games that take place in a sort of Man in the High Castle universe where Germany won WW2 and occupied the United States. The German forces are just supposed to wear regular camo patterns (depending on which "division" they're in, like the SS Charles Lindbergh Division is in gray or urban camo and the Fallschrimjaegers are in woodland camo or solid green). And then there's the guys who show up in period accurate SS uniforms from head to toe, carrying an airsoft MG 42 between them.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiLVAz-Jczg
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Is it fair to say that Russian operational-level planning and execution in WWII was built around the use of artillery?
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Tanks, surely.
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Jul 26, 2017 16:25
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Everything, and lots of it.
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Everything including the kitchen sink being thrown at one place while the enemy braces for incoming toilet seats somewhere else. 
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chitoryu12 posted:I've played some regular airsoft quasi-roleplay games that take place in a sort of Man in the High Castle universe where Germany won WW2 and occupied the United States. The German forces are just supposed to wear regular camo patterns (depending on which "division" they're in, like the SS Charles Lindbergh Division is in gray or urban camo and the Fallschrimjaegers are in woodland camo or solid green). i actually just took a quick look and could not even find one of him in WWII german clothing, maybe like a jacket once. WW1, Old west silliness, Finnish, British, and various other period wear but did not see any Nazi stuff, so if he even did its like once or twice and part of a bigger context.
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The Revolver Ocelot of militaries. But really, artillery, aircraft, and tanks were supposed to be used in unison to pound a hole through the enemy defenses for a tank corps to go into. There wasn't any one component that was more or less important than the others.
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chitoryu12 posted:I've played some regular airsoft quasi-roleplay games that take place in a sort of Man in the High Castle universe where Germany won WW2 and occupied the United States. The German forces are just supposed to wear regular camo patterns (depending on which "division" they're in, like the SS Charles Lindbergh Division is in gray or urban camo and the Fallschrimjaegers are in woodland camo or solid green).  they make...airsoft...machine guns?
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Fangz posted:Tanks, surely. almost certainly artillery
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HEY GAIL posted:
Yup! Expensive as gently caress, though.
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Re. Soviet artillery, I'm referencing this. It certainly makes it seem like Stalin envisioned artillery as the fulcrum on which everything else depended, but I'm really not familiar enough with actual operations to know if that's how the battles played out.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl76rTxIyzI They seem to have a soft spot for weird reinactors going a bit too far.
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