Mozi posted:

I really hope that 'pulling her espresso' isn't a euphemism.

Kelp Me! posted:

Man, it sounds like you work for a company that specializes in doing all the really boring stuff that the other airport employees don't want to do. That blows. You work at an airport in Alaska? I guess that explains why you don't have the golf cart things, but I've seen them at most major airports.

Just take the TSA training course you get government bennies and AFAIK you barely even need a GED

mozi posted:

I really hope that 'pulling her espresso' isn't a euphemism.

Nosfereefer posted:

pixaal posted:

When I was still working at a store we had a kid yelling in a long line for a candy bar. It's the day before a holiday 20 minute long lines kid is screaming parent has 2 carts of food. You get the picture. They get to the front and the kid wants a few now and the mom is arguing finally says no candy.

Kid threatens to poo poo their pants, this kid is 8 or 9. The mom holds her ground, and the kid shits the self. Mom caves in as the kid starts making a scene saying how their mom forces them to poo poo themselves and won't take them to the bathroom. Kid ends up for more candy than before the threat to shut them up and we end up having to close the register because the kid got poo poo all over the floor and the mom was appalled that we even asked her to clean it up. She didn't poo poo the floor it was the kid, and the kid is going to come back and clean it up as punishment, but you know after the calm down in an hour. So of course we cleaned it, and I don't think she came back to give out the lovely punishment.

Fil5000 posted:

What makes this worse is that that kid has learned that making GBS threads themselves gets them what they want. Like, you KNOW this isn't the only time they've poo poo themselves for a Mars bar.

ladron posted:

you'd be surprised just how often making GBS threads yourself gets you what you want

spog posted:

Not a second date.

Fil5000 posted:

I guess it depends which dating service you used.

pixaal posted:

When I was still working at a store we had a kid yelling in a long line for a candy bar. It's the day before a holiday 20 minute long lines kid is screaming parent has 2 carts of food. You get the picture. They get to the front and the kid wants a few now and the mom is arguing finally says no candy.

Kid threatens to poo poo their pants, this kid is 8 or 9. The mom holds her ground, and the kid shits the self. Mom caves in as the kid starts making a scene saying how their mom forces them to poo poo themselves and won't take them to the bathroom. Kid ends up for more candy than before the threat to shut them up and we end up having to close the register because the kid got poo poo all over the floor and the mom was appalled that we even asked her to clean it up. She didn't poo poo the floor it was the kid, and the kid is going to come back and clean it up as punishment, but you know after the calm down in an hour. So of course we cleaned it, and I don't think she came back to give out the lovely punishment.

spacetoaster posted:

As someone who spends summers as a councilor at kids camps these kids are the best.

They are so used to the screaming/crying/etc getting them exactly what they want right that moment that it breaks their brains when a person's response is not to immediately cave.

I don't know what it is in boys, but any hint of public ridicule works disciplinary wonders (in my experience). There was one boy, who was 9, and would just scream his head off, with tears pouring down his face, whenever anything didn't go exactly his way. He wasn't in my group, but I was usually near by and just started smirking at him when he would pitch a fit. Like, a real arrogant "I'm smirking at you because what you're doing is funny to me" face. He couldn't deal with that and quit pitching a fit whenever I was in the area.

I imagine he's a real piece of poo poo person if nobody intervened in his life.

Fil5000 posted:

I don't know how much public ridicule is going to affect a child who shits himself in the checkout line in order to get chocolate.

Fil5000 posted:

I don't know how much public ridicule is going to affect a child who shits himself in the checkout line in order to get chocolate.

Kelp Me! posted:

I bet if the cashier and a few strangers started pointing and laughing the story would be different, but as it is most of the ridicule was probably aimed at the mom for not being able to control her kid.

Sometimes a child just needs a smack, and it's kind of silly that you have to worry about a stranger calling CPS or something over it.

Fil5000 posted:

I don't know how much public ridicule is going to affect a child who shits himself in the checkout line in order to get chocolate.

Fil5000 posted:

Or maybe just not giving him the loving candy would help. I mean for gently caress's sake.

Kelp Me! posted:

Sometimes a child just needs a smack, and it's kind of silly that you have to worry about a stranger calling CPS or something over it.

Detective No. 27 posted:

Hitting children is bad.

Kelp Me! posted:

If you're at a point where your non-retarded child is intentionally making GBS threads his pants in a public setting to get what he wants, I think there's way deeper behavioral concerns to be addressed than "did he get the candy in the end"

Like, even regular old screaming/crying tantrums are something that should be mostly weeded out by the time they're like 5-6 tops, but even more hosed up is that a kid that age doesn't understand how horrifyingly embarrassing the action he took was. That kid's going to have some serious boundary issues even if he does learn to stop being a spoiled brat. I'm talking the kind of person that hits high school and genuinely thinks farting out loud in a classroom or picking his nose during a conversation is ok.

Say Nothing posted:

Screw retail.

Kelp Me! posted:

Hitting and spanking are different things entirely,

Detective No. 27 posted:

No.

Inescapable Duck posted:

Problem with condoning parents hitting their kids for good reasons is that they'll see it as equally appropriate to hit their kids for bad reasons.

Detective No. 27 posted:

Fifty years of research disagrees.

Pththya-lyi posted:

It's also confusing - when you hit a kid for hitting his sister, the lesson he'll probably take from it is "It's okay to hit someone as long as you don't get caught."

Detective No. 27 posted:

Fifty years of research disagrees.

https://www.cardus.ca/organization/news/303/banning-spanking-does-more-harm-than-good/ posted:

Proponents of spanking bans often cite a 2016 University of Texas at Austin review that found the appropriate use of reasonable force caused children to have aggressive or other negative tendencies. However, Dr. Robert Larzelere, Endowed Professor of Parenting at Oklahoma State University, notes that almost all the studies examined in that review failed to distinguish between spanking and abuse. He also notes the review failed to determine whether aggressive behaviour observed in children came before or after the use of reasonable force.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-science-says-and-doesn-t-about-spanking/ posted:

Yet some researchers remain skeptical. First, although the new analysis did attempt to separate the effects of spanking from those of physical tactics that are considered harsher, research has shown that many parents who spank also use other forms of punishment—so “you’re still not really isolating spanking from overall abusiveness,” explains Christopher Ferguson, a psychologist at Stetson University in Florida. In other words, the negative effects associated with spanking could still be driven in part by parents’ use of other tactics.
The new analysis also did not completely overcome the lumping problem: It considered slapping and hitting children anywhere on the body as synonymous with spanking but these actions might have distinct effects. Some research also suggests that the effects of spanking differ depending on the reasons parents spank, how frequently they do so and how old children are at the time—so the conclusion from the meta-analysis that spanking itself is dangerous may be overly simplistic. “I think it’s irresponsible to make exclusive statements one way or another,” Ferguson says.
Finally, the associations reported in the meta-analysis between spanking and negative outcomes did not control for the potential mediating effects of other variables, which raises the chicken-or-egg question: Are kids spanked because they act out or do they act out because they are spanked—or both? (Even longitudinal studies don’t completely resolve this problem, because behavioral problems may worsen over time regardless of spanking’s effects.) To rule out the possibility that spanking is only associated with bad outcomes because poorly behaved kids are the ones getting spanked, researchers can use statistical methods to control for the influence of temperament and preexisting behavioral characteristics—but these methods are difficult to employ in meta-analyses, and the new analysis did not attempt such a feat. Ferguson did try to control for the effects of preexisting child behavior in a 2013 meta-analysis he published of the longitudinal studies on this issue; when he did, “spanking’s effects became trivial,” he says. As a further demonstration of the importance of careful statistical controls, Robert Larzelere, a psychologist at Oklahoma State University, and his colleagues reported in a 2010 study that grounding and psychotherapy are linked just as strongly to bad behavior as spanking is but that all the associations disappear with the use of careful statistical controls. It makes sense that disciplinary tactics used as responses to bad behavior will be associated with such behavior, Larzelere says, unless care is taken to control for children’s preexisting characteristics and temperaments.

Inescapable Duck posted:

Problem with condoning parents hitting their kids for good reasons is that they'll see it as equally appropriate to hit their kids for bad reasons.

Pththya-lyi posted:

It's also confusing - when you hit a kid for hitting his sister, the lesson he'll probably take from it is "It's okay to hit someone as long as you don't get caught."

Kelp Me! posted:

Hitting and spanking are different things entirely,

Yawgmoth posted:

No, they aren't. There is literally zero difference and if you really think that striking a child with any amount of force for any reason is acceptable ever, I hope your balls get microwaved while still attached.