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they only have one plan left the mystery one that's the one to worry about
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the force is strong with this one https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/890305052258189313
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Vertical Lime posted:they only have one plan left Yeah I fear the whole point of this exercise is to generate confusion and obfuscation to provide political cover for the no votes to change their positions.
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Jul 26, 2017 21:30
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Can someone explain the skinny repeal like you are talking to a idiot? From what I can tell, its gonna remove the individual and employee mandate and that's about it. By removing those mandates, it allows people not to buy healthcare, which means healthy people are likely to stop buying it, causing premiums to rise for the remaining pool, which starts a death spiral?
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SHOAH NUFF posted:Can someone explain the skinny repeal like you are talking to a idiot? sabotage exchanges, kick 15 million people off healthcare immediately, guarantee a medicaid crisis in the near future, put a gun to the democrats head and force them to the negotiating table so they have political cover.
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Jul 26, 2017 21:35
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hey nice dick
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good "big" one right ther.e
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Jul 26, 2017 21:43
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I don't understand how Democrats aren't going full bore on Universal Healthcare right now. I don't care if there are economic or administrative reasons it can't happen, our current president was elected largely on the promise of a racist wall that's clearly never going to happen. Universal healthcare is an issue you can actually fight about and for instead of these weird platitudes about politeness and "They go low, we go high."
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Jul 26, 2017 21:44
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maybe try galactic healthcare first? we don't even know whats out there. I am in love with firing guns all over the place as well
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Jul 26, 2017 21:47
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Skwirl posted:I don't understand how Democrats aren't going full bore on Universal Healthcare right now. I don't care if there are economic or administrative reasons it can't happen, our current president was elected largely on the promise of a racist wall that's clearly never going to happen. Universal healthcare is an issue you can actually fight about and for instead of these weird platitudes about politeness and "They go low, we go high." Their strategy has been to sit back and just let the republicans hang themselves with this nonsense. It's not...the worst strategy.
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I don't understand why Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas are on the field right now. If the Seahawks really want to win, they have to score touchdowns. Put Russell Wilson in the game.
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Jul 26, 2017 21:48
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Leperflesh posted:This isn't legislation or executive direction, it's Trump acting in his capacity as Commander in Chief. I'm not sure he actually needs to sign anything - the President can pick up a phone and give an order and it gets followed. it's going to cause expensive, long, drawn out lawsuits and cost a ton of money the instant it becomes something on paper
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Jul 26, 2017 21:49
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Skwirl posted:I don't understand how Democrats aren't going full bore on Universal Healthcare right now. I don't care if there are economic or administrative reasons it can't happen, our current president was elected largely on the promise of a racist wall that's clearly never going to happen. Universal healthcare is an issue you can actually fight about and for instead of these weird platitudes about politeness and "They go low, we go high." Because they don't support it.
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Jul 26, 2017 21:51
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FizFashizzle posted:the force is strong with this one Hahahahahahaha 
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Skwirl posted:I don't understand how Democrats aren't going full bore on Universal Healthcare right now. I don't care if there are economic or administrative reasons it can't happen, our current president was elected largely on the promise of a racist wall that's clearly never going to happen. Universal healthcare is an issue you can actually fight about and for instead of these weird platitudes about politeness and "They go low, we go high." Well, if Trump has shown anything, its that general statements work better than specifics. The GOP problem has been they spent years saying "let's replace obamacare with something better!" and people go "yeah something better" But when they finally have their bluff called, there is no clear something better. The second we bring in the spooky "socialism" thing into the mix we weaken our message, better to just let the GOP gently caress themselves to hell and come out with a plan when the smoke clears.
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Jul 26, 2017 21:52
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Mel Mudkiper posted:The second we bring in the spooky "socialism" thing into the mix we weaken our message, better to just let the GOP gently caress themselves to hell and come out with a plan when the smoke clears. This was Hilary's plan to win the election.
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It's worth noting that Nancy Pelosi got a public option through the House, while Hillary supported the public option and the Medicare buy-in that Joe Lieberman killed.
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Jul 26, 2017 21:56
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big money big clit posted:This was Hilary's plan to win the election. Hillary Clinton was a policy buff who failed to humanize and simplify her message so its like the exact opposite
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Jul 26, 2017 21:58
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Kalli posted:Because they don't support it.
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Jul 26, 2017 21:58
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The Democrats will support single payer in 2020 because there's no way a candidate running on a milquetoast "expand ACA" platform will win the primary.
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Jul 26, 2017 22:00
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We have to de-spookify socialism before Single payer becomes a remote possibility
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Jul 26, 2017 22:00
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Hillary nearly sunk her husband's presidency on healthcare reform and created CHIP as part of a cunning scheme to convince Dumbocrats that she supported universal coverage. Implementing change is already hard, we don't need People's Fronts of Judea poisoning the well.
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Jul 26, 2017 22:00
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"Medicare for All", voila! Despooked!
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Mel Mudkiper posted:We have to de-spookify socialism before Single payer becomes a remote possibility Currently, 60% say the federal government is responsible for ensuring health care coverage for all Americans, while 39% say this is not the government’s responsibility. These views are unchanged from January, but the share saying health coverage is a government responsibility remains at its highest level in nearly a decade.
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Jul 26, 2017 22:01
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Mel Mudkiper posted:We have to de-spookify socialism before Single payer becomes a remote possibility Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the country and Jeremy Corbyn is about to take over the UK while making Bernie look like a republican. The only people spooked by socialism are those paid by donors to be and their useless ancillaries.
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Jul 26, 2017 22:02
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Shangri-Law School posted:Dumbocrats
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FizFashizzle posted:Currently, 60% say the federal government is responsible for ensuring health care coverage for all Americans, while 39% say this is not the government’s responsibility. These views are unchanged from January, but the share saying health coverage is a government responsibility remains at its highest level in nearly a decade. http://www.gallup.com/poll/4708/healthcare-system.aspx Look when the last wild swing happened. There are also polls that show wild swings in approval based on what you call it. I am not saying socialized things scare people. I am saying the word socialism scares people. People widely support socialized medicine, absolutely. However, people don't support things called socialized medicine and the GOP has used that against us in the past.
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Jul 26, 2017 22:06
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The dirty secret of politics is that politicians follow their voters. The Dems will pass universal single-payer coverage if they think that's what their voters want. So if Berniecrats start actually winning primaries and general elections, people will take notice.
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Jul 26, 2017 22:06
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Mel Mudkiper posted:People widely support socialized medicine, absolutely. However, people don't support things called socialized medicine and the GOP has used that against us in the past. Republicans call everything democrats do socialism. And what democrats have done is so unpopular not even they can muster a decent defense of it, so they sit and dither and talk of bipartisanship while they get called communists for trying to pass billion dollar giveaways to insurance companies.
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There are so many hot girls on Instagram
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Kalli posted:Republicans call everything democrats do socialism. Right, which is why Dems need to work on reforming the term
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Hillary Clinton was a policy buff who failed to humanize and simplify her message so its like the exact opposite None of her ads were about policy, it was literally just "wouldn't it be awesome to have a woman president, also she's much more polite than her opponent."
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Dems are bad at defending themselves because they think their ideas are more unpopular than they are, are full of doubt and equivocation, and because they want to see the best in people even when confronted with liars and sociopaths. It's not because they're secretly Republicans just jerking us around. Here's my defense of the ACA: 1. It expanded single-payer health coverage, a.k.a. socialized medicine, to cover all of America's poor. 2. It brought order, decency and lots of subsidies to the individual health insurance market, previously one of the cruelest industries in the country. 3. It enshrined into law the principle that health insurance must meet basic standards of care. 4. It enshrined into law the principle that insurance companies cannot profit at the expense of their customers' health. 5. It did this all by raising taxes on the rich and transferring this wealth to the poor.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Right, which is why Dems need to work on reforming the term And I just disagree the term needs to be reformed. Go look back at what 2008 Candidate Obama was campaigning on. That poo poo is popular, but Democrats of the past thirty years are completely beholden to financial interests which results in their terrible, unpopular policies.
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Today, the only intelligent thing for democrats to do is make what the republicans are actually trying to do, the central issue. They have no power to enact federal legislation, so proposing legislation carries all the risk (that some of their constituents will oppose it) with none of the potential benefit (of passing it). Proposing single-payer/Medicare for All is for the campaign trail, when the Democrats have some reasonable prospect of actually gaining something tangible. At the most, Senate and Congressional Democrats should do what Republicans did during the Obama years and what Trump did to get elected: speak in very broad generalities ("Everyone deserves good health care, and we're going to bring it...") while steadfastly refusing to talk about specifics of any kind ("...through a massive expansion of Medicare, ending all employer-paid plans, forcing everyone to pay into the system, covering illegal immigrants, etc."). The 2018 midterms have a remote chance of the Democrats regaining a tiny majority in the Senate (there are far more Ds than Rs up for reelection) and a slightly higher but still remote chance of regaining the house: but unless the Republicans entirely lose the white house somehow, there's still zero prospect of passing veto-proof healthcare reform on their own. And there's equally zero chance of getting the Republicans in Congress on board with single-payer. So, there's no political advantage, yet, to any Federal-level Democrat for making a strong push for single-payer. There will be, eventually - probably in 2019 and 2020, leading up to the 2020 elections - but not right now.
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Kalli posted:Because they don't support it. This is the correct take.
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SHOAH NUFF posted:There are so many hot girls on Instagram Agreed And i have no chance with any instagram model
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Shangri-Law School posted:Dems are bad at defending themselves because they think their ideas are more unpopular than they are, are full of doubt and equivocation, and because they want to see the best in people even when confronted with liars and sociopaths. It's not because they're secretly Republicans just jerking us around. Except for the 25-30 million people still uncovered, and the insane numbers of people with insurance who still go bankrupt or completely drain their savings due to medical bills. 2, 3 and 5 are good, but lmao at #4. quote:Profit at Cigna Corp. soared 29% in its fourth quarter and investors should expect continued growth this year, the insurer said. quote:Cigna Corp. CEO David M. Cordani's compensation totaled $49 million, up 80 percent from 2014.
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Skwirl posted:I don't understand how Democrats aren't going full bore on Universal Healthcare right now. I don't care if there are economic or administrative reasons it can't happen, our current president was elected largely on the promise of a racist wall that's clearly never going to happen. Universal healthcare is an issue you can actually fight about and for instead of these weird platitudes about politeness and "They go low, we go high." Democrats can't come up with a single unified message on anything except fringe equality stuff. Not that that is bad or unimportant, but you have to actually do more than just stand up for maligned groups to get engagement from the masses. I'm not a Berniebro or anything like that but he had by far the most coherent platform and message and the DNC gleefully hosed him over and once caught the Clinton campaign hired the person behind it. I agree with you though they should be full court press on Universal Healthcare and just be running entirely on that. Playing nice and compromise etc ended up with a halfway gutted ACA that while inherently good has had enough flaws that it's easier to attack. FizFashizzle posted:Their strategy has been to sit back and just let the republicans hang themselves with this nonsense. Yeah it's only lost them the Whitehouse, Senate, Congress. Despite the constant outrage and just idiocy in leadership right now they are still the ones in control.
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I meant since the election. If you wanna relitigate the election well then then.....
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