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It's also sort of funny that PiS and PO both existed mostly to oppose each other and yet kept swapping members between each other all the time.
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Thanks for the refresher. My parents moved to the US 30+ years ago, and my mom (from the South of Poland, and from a working-class family) seems to be following the news and on the side of the PiS, although doesn't have a very cohesive opinion on the matter beyond saying that the government has been corrupt. As an outsider, I just look at the regressive policies that PiS seems to have been responsible for over the past few years and shudder, but it sounds like there isn't a very viable party to oppose them at this time?
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# ? Jul 25, 2017 15:14 |
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Residency Evil posted:on the side of the PiS, although doesn't have a very cohesive opinion on the matter beyond saying that the government has been corrupt Yeah, I think you've got a fairly accurate view of PiS' electorate. And yeah, the opposition is in shambles. The formerly respectable (in terms of size) parties - Civic Platform and the Democratic Left Alliance have descended into a spiral of self-destructive incompetence and stupidity, with Civic Platform still the top dog by pure virtue of being too big to fail (despite its current leader striving really, really hard to self-destruct) and the rest of the opposittion being equally regrettable. Democratic Left Alliance are practically dead now, forced to mingle with miniscule leftist forces such as the Greens, but they might snatch a few seats come next election. You'll probably be able to count them with one hand. When it comes to new forces, .Nowoczesna (Civic Platform 2.0, or Poland's Hillary Clinton wannabees) had a fair chance of truly succeeding the Civic Platform, but their leader is a real oaf happy to squander all their chances. They do have a cool female politician on the forefront of the current and past pro-constitutional/judiciary protest and honestly if they make an internal coup in favor of her, the party could go far. KOD, the nominally apolitical organization behind most of the mass demonstrations since the elections first got abused as a self-promotion platform by the old guard politicians and then got sorta humilitated by their leader/organizer turning out to be really dumb and corrupt. The anti-abortion ban Black Protest spawned a bunch of women-centric organizations fiercely opposing whatever dumb poo poo PiS is trying to push at a moment, but so far they're really more a resistance catalyst than a particular political force you could vote for. Janusz Korwin-Mikke is Janusz Korwin Mikke. The Polish People's Party (PSL) is PSL. They're really two of universe's constants. Razem are cool young leftists that still scrape by because we have a US-level disgust for the word "socialist" here. At least they get invited to TV now. Lichtenstein fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Trump is finally prioritizing the issue of Ukraine. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/889788202172780544
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# ? Jul 25, 2017 18:11 |
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stolen from Reddit: Yesterday in Poland there were two speeches at the same time, given by the President and the Prime Minister
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# ? Jul 25, 2017 18:29 |
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also https://blog.marai.me/2017/07/24/18-year-old-arrested-bkk-tsystems-e-ticket/ 18 year old guy arrested for reporting a shamefully stupid bug in the new Budapest e-Ticket system quote:The amount of stupidity in this story warrants that this is going to be somewhat long, so I start at the end: as the title says, an 18 year old guy was arrested two days ago for 'hacking' the new Budapest public transport e-Ticket system a week before, even though he immediately reported the vulnerability he found. seriously read those bolded bullet-points, I have seen some stupid poo poo before but this is in another league
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# ? Jul 25, 2017 19:04 |
They'll find a way to pin it on George Soros.
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# ? Jul 25, 2017 19:38 |
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"adminadmin"! I got the same password on my luggage!
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# ? Jul 25, 2017 20:24 |
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Lichtenstein posted:- The Smoleńsk plane crash was successfully spun into some JFK-assasination grade poo poo JFK? No. Nobody serious believes JFK was kill`65432q1`by an NWO second shooter.* It's Benghazi with a side order of Buttermails and a spicing of birth certificates: thoroughly debunked conspiracy theory that refuses to die because it is supported by high-ranking authorities and keeps getting from simply bullshit to legitimately crazy spinoffs. *He was obviously murdered by the NWO third man, Hollywood Hulk Hogan.
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# ? Jul 25, 2017 20:24 |
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Right-wing butthurt over Duda's veto has birthed this wonderful article. For those not blessed by understanding of the moon language, nor google translate, one of the right-wing rags wrote about secret service supposedly making a psychological profile of Duda right after election and launching the satirical series Chairman's Ear to strike at his overblown ego* to pressure him in the future (now). * The only part of this somewhat resembling reality is that of all the PiS officials, he was the one somewhat butthurt by his portrayal on the show.
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# ? Jul 25, 2017 22:42 |
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One of PiS' parliamentarians: (He's likening Duda to the Red Army during the Warsaw Uprising, perhaps the most PiS thing ever said outside of "Tusk did Smolensk")
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 09:24 |
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https://twitter.com/StollmeyerEU/status/890156063953125377
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 11:34 |
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How meaningful is that? By a quick googling Article 7 seems to require an unanimous decision by the European Council (i.e. all heads of state) for anything to happen, and that seems to me unlikely to ever happen.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 11:50 |
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I remember that over the weekend - where a daily fine was discussed as a punishment in case of passing the Supreme Court nonsense - there was an idea of making a resolution targeting both Poland and Hungary, so they couldn't veto for each other as the subjects.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 11:56 |
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So will Slovakia do it instead?
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 15:08 |
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To lighten the mood, here's a bizarre response to the EU moving to sanction Poland that doesn't come from wacky Polish Nationalists:quote:Their democratically elected parliament was altering the system they use to interpret their laws. By definition not only is that sovereignty at a base level but also by definition that's the rule of law itself. I'm not sure how it's possible to be this blind. Mind you, the person that said this also said that the only reason the EU was breaking off negotiations with Turkey was because of Islamophobia. And the proof of this was that many EU member states didn't meet their own definition of "democratic nations" that they were trying to hold Turkey to.
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Residency Evil posted:Thanks for the refresher. My parents moved to the US 30+ years ago, and my mom (from the South of Poland, and from a working-class family) seems to be following the news and on the side of the PiS, although doesn't have a very cohesive opinion on the matter beyond saying that the government has been corrupt. As an outsider, I just look at the regressive policies that PiS seems to have been responsible for over the past few years and shudder, but it sounds like there isn't a very viable party to oppose them at this time? 1) The 500+ social welfare programme. Receiving the equivalent of a nice crisp $100 every month can go a long way in shaping a voter's opinion (it may not sound like much, but it's like one third of the net minimum wage here). The electorate of PiS roughly corresponding to the number of people eligible for the programme is no coincidence. 2) There is a weird preconception that while PiS may not be the shining beacon of progress and democracy, at least they are the ones keeping the Musselman away from Poland and as such are the right choice right now (this is despite the fact that the few dozen refugees the previous ruling party accepted promptly hosed off to Germany forever after facing the prospect of learning Polish). So, much like Putin and unlike Orban, PiS would probably be able to win another term quite easily without any shenanigans, they just got greedy.
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# ? Jul 26, 2017 23:16 |
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Pizdec posted:You got some really nice write-ups here, so all I'll add are two major reasons behind PiS still polling strong after two years of incompetency, in contrast to the immediate downswing Trump experienced: Unfortunately I think Orban will also win next year quite easily with limited shenanigans.
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# ? Jul 27, 2017 08:45 |
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The Polish government continues their new, secular tradition of smashing their limos into "civillian" traffic. This time the car carrying our vice minister of the interior veered onto the opposing lane, straight into an oncoming BMW. In other "news" Donald Tusk was called in (as a witness) by the prosecutor's office. Apparently regarding the Smoleńsk
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RedSnapper posted:The Polish government continues their new, secular tradition of smashing their limos into "civillian" traffic. This time the car carrying our vice minister of the interior veered onto the opposing lane, straight into an oncoming BMW. But this time it was his wife driving not a brave BOR officer. Women drivers, right?
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# ? Jul 27, 2017 09:33 |
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Also: - Unable to change the Supreme Court judges in time, one of PiS-appointed constutitional tribunal judges* and Ziobro-led prosecution are pushing to just straight up suspend Kamiński's case. - Gazeta Wyborcza claims to have leaked radio chats of the police surveilling several opposition leaders. - Fan favorite Antoni Macierewicz went on a rant claiming the protests were a clear example of a hybrid warfare attack aiming to create a pan-european liberal superstate that needs to pillage Poland to sustain itself. * As a quick reminder, said appointment is very legally questionable in and of itself, while Duda's pardoning of Kamiński is bound to fail in a non-PiS controlled court, as it involved shenanigans such as pardoning a person who has not been formally found guilty.
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Lichtenstein posted:- Fan favorite Antoni Macierewicz went on a rant claiming the protests were a clear example of a hybrid warfare attack aiming to create a pan-european liberal superstate that needs to pillage Poland to sustain itself. What the gently caress is there to pillage from Poland? Isn't the country's only natural resource the Worst Coal in the World?
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# ? Jul 27, 2017 11:37 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Isn't the country's only natural resource the Worst Coal in the World? Our coal is best coal, everybody knows that - claims to the contrary are just the liberal, left, green conspiracy talk. Cat Mattress posted:What the gently caress is there to pillage from Poland? It only seems that way - as soon as we beat back the EU-Russia axis that's robbing us blind we'll be a land of milk and honey.
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# ? Jul 27, 2017 11:48 |
Saakashvili has been stripped of Ukrainian citizenship by Poroshenko.
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# ? Jul 27, 2017 13:01 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Saakashvili has been stripped of Ukrainian citizenship by Poroshenko. Kinda a dick move, since it seems like he gave up his Georgian one to get it.
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# ? Jul 27, 2017 13:29 |
OddObserver posted:Kinda a dick move, since it seems like he gave up his Georgian one to get it. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-georgia-saakashvili-idUSKBN0TN1S220151204
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Saakashvili has been stripped of Ukrainian citizenship by Poroshenko. So now he's stateless, since he has also been stripped of Georgian citizenship? Isn't it forbidden by UN treaty to strip someone of citizenship if they don't have any other?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Saakashvili has been stripped of Ukrainian citizenship by Poroshenko. Now he can be a proud citizen of the world, sipping wine in NY while chewing his best tie. It is dumb and infuriating every time Ukraine imitates its large neighbour, surely they would get at this point that reputation hits are not worth perfomative bullshit but nooo
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# ? Jul 27, 2017 14:26 |
It's becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy in more ways than I would like to. E: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp_nSKTyOZE cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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# ? Jul 27, 2017 14:29 |
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Russian's apparently hit a Ukrainian ammo depot with a drone delivered thermite grenade and caused about a billion dollars worth of damage, video is pretty incredible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwEZ_9VLD8 http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/news/a27511/russia-drone-thermite-grenade-ukraine-ammo/
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# ? Jul 28, 2017 14:28 |
That's pretty cool if true, damage dealt asides.
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# ? Jul 28, 2017 14:54 |
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It was back in March, but dont think it was posted about here before.
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# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:04 |
Rincewinds posted:It was back in March, but dont think it was posted about here before. It was.
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# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:06 |
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I recall the video and such being posted, but not that it was a thermite grenade from a drone. Ordinarily i'd say it's excuse-casting, but the previously documented instances seem pretty damning.
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# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:25 |
TheDeadlyShoe posted:I recall the video and such being posted, but not that it was a thermite grenade from a drone. Ordinarily i'd say it's excuse-casting, but the previously documented instances seem pretty damning. Thermite grenade was not discussed indeed, but isn't this a very recently development?
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# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:51 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Thermite grenade was not discussed indeed, but isn't this a very recently development?
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# ? Jul 28, 2017 15:56 |
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A Banderist leader in Ukraine has died in the middle of his party's assembly https://twitter.com/xbCC0981LdF25kD/status/884747826382725120?ref_src=twsrc
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# ? Jul 28, 2017 20:39 |
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steinrokkan posted:A Banderist leader in Ukraine has died in the middle of his party's assembly What's the general opinion of Viktor Orban? He seemed like a drat good patriot back in 1989.
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Grouchio posted:What's the general opinion of Viktor Orban? He seemed like a drat good patriot back in 1989. He was one back then, but he is an rear end in a top hat wannabe Putin now, whether he really believes in being one or is just playing a role. These days he is remarkably much like the people he helped depose in 1989. Then you've got the moron in the Czech Republic and Poland needs no introduction at this point. The V4 has really taken a nosedive in the 2010s, even though it hasn't really affected EU unity. Yet, anyway. Their position on migrants places a huge strain on others however, even if I understand migrants not wanting to move to those places. But maybe the Visegrad condition ATM is just a reflection of how much time it takes to truly transform societies politically. Fabulous Knight fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Jul 29, 2017 |
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Dump Hungary and Poland, rehabilitate Czechia.
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