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Agean90 posted:they won't buy into socialism, but of you offer them free healthcare and other poo poo that directly improved their lives only the most hardcore crossburners will pass it up because it helps those so and so's on the other side of town. mind you they'll try to take it away from the others later, but for getting it passed they won't say a drat thing.
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Word of advice for everyone who lusts for poor white death on an internet forum: Instead of doing that, try talking to your crazy uncles, cousins, aunts, grandparents. Seek some consensus on progressive issues like getting money out of politics or Medicare for All. 
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Agean90 posted:they won't buy into socialism, but of you offer them free healthcare and other poo poo that directly improved their lives only the most hardcore crossburners will pass it up because it helps those so and so's on the other side of town. I don't see how you can say this with a straight face while West Virginia still exists. I get that they need more help than the ACA gave them but... they're willingly signing their death warrants.
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Frijolero posted:Word of advice for everyone who lusts for poor white death on an internet forum: I've tried this with my coworkers. I tell them about the economic aspects of it, how single payer saves money, works better by every metric, and would even save the company money by removing the health plan as an expense. The response is that they work hard for their insurance so why should others have it and also WHO statistics on survival rates are Jewish lies.
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zegermans posted:I don't see how you can say this with a straight face while West Virginia still exists. I get that they need more help than the ACA gave them but... they're willingly signing their death warrants. because it hasnt actually been tried yet. when was the last time a politician strolled on up and said "gently caress HOSPITALS BILLS HEALTH CARE FOR ALL CASH IN YO POCKET"
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On the national level you don't have to win over all or even most rural + suburban whites to win elections, you just can't get completely killed 70-30 in every municipality in America.
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zegermans posted:I don't see how you can say this with a straight face while West Virginia still exists. I get that they need more help than the ACA gave them but... they're willingly signing their death warrants. The people who most need healthcare aren't voting you idiot.
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exquisite tea posted:On the national level you don't have to win over all or even most rural + suburban whites to win elections, you just can't get completely killed 70-30 in every municipality in America. this also. you don't have to win over everyone, just enough to win or make it narrow enough to put the fear in whoever gets elected.
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Frijolero posted:Word of advice for everyone who lusts for poor white death on an internet forum: i know plenty of people who are non-voters who will, at the drop of a hat, rant against wall street, corporations, rich people etc. i've talked with them and they feel like both parties are in the pocket of the rich (they're not wrong), and think they're not gonna do anything for regular folks. it hasn't been hard to start bringing them around to the logical conclusion of their criticisms (eat the rich)
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zegermans posted:I've tried this with my coworkers. I tell them about the economic aspects of it, how single payer saves money, works better by every metric, and would even save the company money by removing the health plan as an expense. The response is that they work hard for their insurance so why should others have it and also WHO statistics on survival rates are Jewish lies. It helps if you don't use disparaging remarks. Also, LOL: survival rates Keep in zee-ing, gerr mans
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Serf posted:i know plenty of people who are non-voters who will, at the drop of a hat, rant against wall street, corporations, rich people etc. i've talked with them and they feel like both parties are in the pocket of the rich (they're not wrong), and think they're not gonna do anything for regular folks. it hasn't been hard to start bringing them around to the logical conclusion of their criticisms (eat the rich) 
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Serf posted:i know plenty of people who are non-voters who will, at the drop of a hat, rant against wall street, corporations, rich people etc. i've talked with them and they feel like both parties are in the pocket of the rich (they're not wrong), and think they're not gonna do anything for regular folks. it hasn't been hard to start bringing them around to the logical conclusion of their criticisms (eat the rich) If it's so easy to convince these people and your message is a sure laserbeam to success, why hasn't there been success.
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FactsAreUseless posted:The hardcore crossburners are 80 percent of the United States. Idaho ain't the whole us sorry
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docbeard is the best poster itt and no one even comes close
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Agean90 posted:Idaho ain't the whole us sorry
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeDOQpfaUc8 the system works
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zegermans posted:If it's so easy to convince these people and your message is a sure laserbeam to success, why hasn't there been success. because it hasn't been done lol
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FactsAreUseless posted:The Idahofication of America has begun. *stream of potatoes shoot out of water cooler* noooooOOOOOOOO
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zegermans posted:If it's so easy to convince these people and your message is a sure laserbeam to success, why hasn't there been success. Common people don't feel like the system really represents them, and nobody with the power to change that has had success in getting any backing within the system, because it doesn't represent common people
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Agean90 posted:because it hasn't been done lol you'll note that i don't do this anymore because there's no point. learn from me
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Agean90 posted:because it hasn't been done lol The DSA seems to be trying but right now their membership is tied with 4 of the 5 towns that are near my rural illinois home. Seems they'd have more members if their message was a siren song filled with milk and honey
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"guys its been 8 months since the election why havent you seized total power yet"
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Serf posted:you'll note that i don't do this anymore because there's no point. THE CAN FEEL THE SUCK ZONE OVERTACKING ME. IT IS A GOOD PAIN
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loquacius posted:Common people don't feel like the system really represents them, and nobody with the power to change that has had success in getting any backing within the system, because it doesn't represent common people a lot of the young people i've talked to said they lost interest in voting when sanders dropped out of the race. most of them either can't afford to go to college, don't want to, or are gonna have to go into a lot of debt to do so. they don't want to live in a small town forever, and the ticket to getting out is education. they felt like clinton didn't have anything to offer them and they weren't gonna vote for trump either. a lot of them just plain skipped voting in their first election
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andrew cuomo is poop from a butt, how is he so prominent in NY politics
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Serf posted:a lot of the young people i've talked to said they lost interest in voting when sanders dropped out of the race. most of them either can't afford to go to college, don't want to, or are gonna have to go into a lot of debt to do so. they don't want to live in a small town forever, and the ticket to getting out is education. they felt like clinton didn't have anything to offer them and they weren't gonna vote for trump either. a lot of them just plain skipped voting in their first election Check out the website you loving lazy millennials. Arghhhh 
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Hillary is 44
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Serf posted:a lot of the young people i've talked to said they lost interest in voting when sanders dropped out of the race. most of them either can't afford to go to college, don't want to, or are gonna have to go into a lot of debt to do so. they don't want to live in a small town forever, and the ticket to getting out is education. they felt like clinton didn't have anything to offer them and they weren't gonna vote for trump either. a lot of them just plain skipped voting in their first election https://twitter.com/tresdessert/status/839531333525340160?lang=en
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ex post facho posted:andrew cuomo is poop from a butt, how is he so prominent in NY politics It's also poo
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i believe that attitude would fall under the "sorry, they're not real democrats" space on the cycle
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i'm really glad i dont live in a megalopolis. seems like a great way to feel like you can never escape the realization that the vast majority of people around you are worthless garbage. me? *cracks open a new pack of bics* i'll take my legal weed and 30 minute drive to millions of acres of wilderness and bolt-holes in which i will store provisions for the coming battles against the redhats
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Serf posted:a lot of the young people i've talked to said they lost interest in voting when sanders dropped out of the race. most of them either can't afford to go to college, don't want to, or are gonna have to go into a lot of debt to do so. they don't want to live in a small town forever, and the ticket to getting out is education. they felt like clinton didn't have anything to offer them and they weren't gonna vote for trump either. a lot of them just plain skipped voting in their first election Podesta: Clinton absolutely supports the TPP, she's always valued the diplomatic power of trade and considers the deal to be a milestone achievement. Obama: Clinton absolutely opposes the TPP, her primary concern is the well being of the American people and she wouldn't do anything to detrimentally affect them. Clinton: *dabs* MizPiz has issued a correction as of 16:18 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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MizPiz posted:Podesta: Clinton absolutely supports the TPP, she's always valued the diplomatic power of trade and considers the deal to be a milestone achievement. actually 'bama was pushin Hillabuela hard to support the TPP so he could have one more footnote about fuckin' the american worker in his presidential history
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MizPiz posted:Podesta: Clinton absolutely supports the TPP, she's always valued the diplomatic power of trade and considers the deal to be a milestone achievement. nonvoters: fucks a tpp and how does it help me
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nyc is good for visiting world class art installations, museums, cultural exhibits etc but living there? lol hell nah
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ex post facho posted:nyc is good for visiting world class art installations, museums, cultural exhibits etc but living there? lol hell nah wrong
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ex post facho posted:actually 'bama was pushin Hillabuela hard to support the TPP so he could have one more footnote about fuckin' the american worker in his presidential history obama's legacy was learning that you can be a lame duck president for 6 years, and that compromise with the republican party gets you absolutely nothing
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