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Didn't see reg date on awful. Maybe I'm reductive but it seems the same to me. Show up to a conversation ignorant but with an opinion. Ask for evidence from everyone else and then be incredulous of that evidence while exposing more ignorance on the topic at hand.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Didn't see reg date on awful. I did show up ignorant, but I was being ignorant about the Red Pill as defined by the man-o-sphere vs the pickup artist subreddit. I came to this thread because it was filled with like minded people who enjoyed mocking these YT'bers and since none of my friends cared about this stuff I thought it would be fun to talk to others about it. Someone said PewDiePie was an anti-semite and I didn't agree based on what I had seen of his content. I thought we would have a civil conversation about it, but boy howdy, was I ever wrong. Eventually I accepted I was ignorant on the topic but now I'm being accused of being someone else and mocked. Kinda lovely, imo, but that's the Internet.
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Jul 26, 2017 23:26
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fallenturtle posted:It takes about 3 mouse clicks to figure out that I started posting in this thread a couple of weeks before I made a comment about PewDiePie. How did PDP's "Kill The Jews" mock racism?
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Jul 26, 2017 23:38
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Don't you get it guys it was all about how crazy and divided we are, man. That you can get a couple third world guys to wish death to Jews in a language they may or may not understand for free money and laffs, what's the world coming to.
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Jul 26, 2017 23:45
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I don't think that just doing racist jokes is "mocking racism".
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Jul 26, 2017 23:51
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Dude he paid someone else to do the racist joke for him, how could he be racist
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Jul 26, 2017 23:53
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Who What Now posted:How did PDP's "Kill The Jews" mock racism? It didn't. My defense of PDP was that I thought he wasn't antisemitic and just being naive, not that I thought his joke was funny. I still don't think he's a secret Nazi, but after all that rape stuff and the racist stuff I do think he's an rear end in a top hat. My comment regarding race based humor being funny in certain contexts wasn't directly related to him but an offshoot of that thread.
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Anyway....so Maddox invited Destiny on his show yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_F6QT1cPms The topic? Are anti-SJWs the new SJWs? A couple of notes: - Maddox really doesn't seem like a good debater - I already disliked that Ruckus guy when Sargon was on, but holy poo poo, this dude is absolutely batshit. - Ruckus cannot name a single piece of legislation that he thinks is something extreme SJWs are able to get passed, but is still making GBS threads himself ever waking moment about what might happen at some point at some undisclosed time in the future. - Why is Ruckus even on here? I understand that it's fine to have people of differing opinions being on the same show, but they seem to actively hate eachother. Or maybe they're exaggerating for comedic effect? I dunno. Looked pretty serious at times for me.
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fallenturtle posted:I think y'all have me confused with someone else. This is my only SA account. PittsburghLambic is a particularly obnoxious poster (with a turtle avatar) who spends a lot of time JAQing off in this thread. If you're not him, then you have my apologies for the confusion.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:PittsburghLambic is a particularly obnoxious poster (with a turtle avatar) who spends a lot of time JAQing off in this thread. If you're not him, then you have my apologies for the confusion. Thank you. 
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Jul 27, 2017 00:44
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boner confessor posted:good article on zoe quinn and how much she was constantly berated by weird internet freakshows, including a pretty lolworthy first comment that's basically "what this biased article doesn't tell you is that zoe quinn is a horrible human being It's not just the first comment. There are at least three long rambles about how Zoe is the REAL abuser, harasser and doxxer here. It's just a big ol' dogpile.
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Jul 27, 2017 01:31
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business hammocks posted:She's not saying they actually matter: she's saying that they match the alt-right's rhetorical technique and make a convenient target for them. She IS saying that the left hasn't presented many attractive ideas to cultivate opposition to an energized right. The right would be there regardless; tumblr just happens to be the fiction they use to claim to oppose something powerful (16-year-olds sending death threats to Steven Universe fans for drawing the characters too skinny). Well from my knowledge of the alt right, which is mostly Youtube and pepe posters, they are almost exclusively focused on issues around feminism and race. They are certainly energized but I'm not sure that we need attractive ideas to cultivate opposition to regressive rights proponents who broadly propose white supremacy even if a chunk of them refuse to admit to it, as if it's a coincidence most of their arguments blame immigrants. Even if Sargon initially appears calm, intelligent (hah) and doesn't display the immediate bias of the more nutty youtubers he still frequently goes in to a rage and spits abuse. I might have too narrow a view here as I have only seen things brought up in this thread and there's much more popular guys like Dave Rubin(?) who I assume aren't as extreme.
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Speaking of David Rubin, he was interviewed by David Pakman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EipJoOJrqgU - He's not "liberal" but "classically liberal" - Has no goddamned idea what either single payer or Obamacare is - Doesn't ever call out people on his show because he thinks their words speak for themselves - Thinks that stuff like trigger warnings are scarier than anything proposed by conservatives - Does not seem to understand why only right-wing institutions invite him to speak
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Mr Interweb posted:Speaking of David Rubin, he was interviewed by David Pakman: Only 1 third in, but Ohh boy is this some delicious grilling of Rubin. Pakman may be a little too centrist at times for me but can he give a good polite low-key, but because of it even more vicious, grilling. I get shills listening the Dave "classical liberal" Rubin trying to squirm between his made up catch all ideology and the obvious fact that he's made pandering to the right wing under the cover of the 'marketplace of ideas' (ever heard of a more ring-wing concept lol?). So good.
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Fados posted:pandering to the right wing under the cover of the 'marketplace of ideas' (ever heard of a more ring-wing concept lol?). So good. Yeah, it's ~liberalism~, and it's been thoroughly co-opted by the new right as a "well if I think these people are genetically inferior and you think that's racist, then we both should let the people decide" type thing, but I don't think it's originally a right-wing concept any more than 'buying into' an idea is inherently capitalist. If anything, it's a good phrase for the left to pick apart, because some people clearly have greater control over the marketplace than others. Although the alt-right would still be convinced that makes them the suffering underclass because The Cathedral doesn't want to hear their bad ideas.
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Guavanaut posted:Didn't the term (in a slightly different phrasing) originally come from J S Mill as a liberal idea, that maybe the King shouldn't be throwing Nonconformists in prison for interpreting the Bible slightly differently or publicly disagreeing with the law? Look, as I see it, even so called capitalist ideas had, during the early modern era, a good emancipatory potencial, it all depended on the conditions of possiblity of the time, in the case you mentioned the fight was against absolute monarchies, and bourgeois ideas were cool and good. Even Marx says that you don't get Communism without going through Capitalism as a negation of Feudalism. The whole thesis-anthitesis-sythesis stuff. You can't just jump that proverbial middle-step so that generally I don't disagree with you, but today I can't see that concept as anything other than 'let the market decide' type approach to ideas which feels definitely anti-rational.
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I don't even think it's 'let the market decide', it's 'gently caress you dad you can't tell me what I can say'. See for example whenever Youtube or Patreon says it doesn't want their poo poo. That's part of why the Dark Enlightenment happened, internets libertarians realized that they'd still suck or be even worse off under a totally free market, and repelled by socialism due to a number of reasons (probably Cold War propaganda making it a dirty word), they decided to start making a 'rational' case for feudalism. I don't even think most of them want the marketplace of ideas in the original liberal sense given how quickly they melt down when challenged.
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Fados posted:Only 1 third in, but Ohh boy is this some delicious grilling of Rubin. Pakman may be a little too centrist at times for me but can he give a good polite low-key, but because of it even more vicious, grilling. I get shills listening the Dave "classical liberal" Rubin trying to squirm between his made up catch all ideology and the obvious fact that he's made pandering to the right wing under the cover of the 'marketplace of ideas' (ever heard of a more ring-wing concept lol?). So good. Oh I forgot one of the best parts, where Rubin tried to make a case that Trump's tax policies were a good thing because that means he would be able to hire more people. Pakman then points out that he can already invest in his company and employees because those costs are already tax deductible, after which, Rubin has no counter so he simply goes to the "ethical" argument about taxation (which by the way is still stupid because he agrees that people have to pay taxes in a society, but that people should be allowed to "keep their money").
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Jul 27, 2017 12:39
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Mr Interweb posted:Anyway....so Maddox invited Destiny on his show yesterday: I remember his web page/blog from many years ago, angry self-righteous programmer rants about things. When did he delve into the realm of getting angry about identity politics?
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Mr Interweb posted:Speaking of David Rubin, he was interviewed by David Pakman: I think there needs to be some sort of campaign to actually explain to the general population what a trigger warning actually is and what its used for.
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Jul 27, 2017 16:46
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Can someone clarify who the regressive left is Youtubers refer to? Extreme tumblrites?
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Carecat posted:Can someone clarify who the regressive left is Youtubers refer to? Extreme tumblrites? Everyone who is not a Nazi, I believe?
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Carecat posted:Can someone clarify who the regressive left is Youtubers refer to? Extreme tumblrites?
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And cultural marxists? What the gently caress does that even mean.
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Carecat posted:And cultural marxists? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism
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Carecat posted:And cultural marxists?
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Carecat posted:Can someone clarify who the regressive left is Youtubers refer to? Extreme tumblrites? Gamerghazi and SRS posters
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Carecat posted:Can someone clarify who the regressive left is Youtubers refer to? Extreme tumblrites? ostensibly, people who are out to bring back naziism by ending all free speech. it is assumed that somewhere, someone on tumblr fits this definition. functionally, anyone to the left of the accuser who says "could you not be stupid and/or an rear end in a top hat." as an example, saying Sam Harris' insistence we need to preemptively nuke any Islamic regime that looks like it might get the bomb (also what's a Pakistan) is any of 1. bigoted 2. stupid 3. evil means you are part of the Regressive Left.
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Carecat posted:And cultural marxists? The person saying is it a Nazi
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Carecat posted:And cultural marxists? ostensibly, people participating in a grand malevolent conspiracy to turn the world communist by telling people to not be assholes to minorities. functionally, anyone who has ever told the speaker that they've done a bigoted thing.
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Rumda posted:The person saying is a Nazi this is much less inaccurate than anyone would prefer it was. seriously, the best-case scenarios for someone accusing someone else of cultural marxism are as follows. 1. they are just throwing out a snarl word for "person I hate" 2. they genuinely believe that the person they are addressing is part of a secret conspiracy with the goal of bringing down Western Civilization.
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What it's supposed to mean is people who use idpol to silence others. "Is single payer going to solve racism?" The regression is using a cloak of liberalism to attack left ideas. In practice it's what everyone is saying.
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I tried watching Destiny and Maddox's "debate" but it was more like an early morning FM radio show than a debate. Someone sent in a question about welfare spending and the one idiot off the side actually said "What, you think I look up poo poo like what the federal government spends it's money on?" like he was offended that someone dared to ask him to think about a subject that isn't a gay joke.
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This is not at all what most right-wingers/alt-righters intend to mean when they accuse something of being 'cultural marxism'. This is far, far too highbrow. That literal Nazi criticisms of Marxism are somehow more coherent than the modern alt-right objections is just embarassing. Also, any 'Youtube Intellectuals' commenting on how dumb the trans military ban is, or how awful the healthcare repeal is? Yeah didn't think so.
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They pulled that phrase from their friends that do mean that. Cultural Marxism as a phrase has been pushed by fascists even if genuine fascists aren't the only ones using it.
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JVNO posted:This is not at all what most right-wingers/alt-righters intend to mean when they accuse something of being 'cultural marxism'. This is far, far too highbrow. That literal Nazi criticisms of Marxism are somehow more coherent than the modern alt-right objections is just embarassing. I know, I just think it's worthwhile to always point out that 'Cultural Marxism' is explicitly a Nazi concept (even though probably everyone posting in D&D knows this).
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:They pulled that phrase from their friends that do mean that. I don't doubt whatsoever this is the case, just that we're kidding ourselves if we think the average person parroting that line is saying anything other than, 'I don't like thing.'
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