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yronic heroism posted:Anyone can run in the primaries. If your district has a progressive majority they can easily nominate someone else. So if the bad dems do get primaried we can assume you wont squeal like a stuck pig about it?
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Dmitri-9 posted:So if the bad dems do get primaried we can assume you wont squeal like a stuck pig about it? Correct. It's not me who's making a bunch of assumptions.
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Like, I'm trying to envision a physical caricature of who Hillary supporters are to make an ironic comparison, but I can't do it because I'm just not that much of a stupid dick
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steinrokkan posted:If democracy and dictatorship of the majority are so awesome and just, why are you not satisfied with total GOP domination? They control everything, that means they are universally popular. Good lord, you are dense. I welcome the hypothetical future progressive majority. I just think it ain't gonna come from temper tantrums but by getting more votes.
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Jul 27, 2017 18:18
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Condiv posted:The grand bargain Grand Bargain didn't happen in 2009 so obviously having a bunch of blue dogs as part of a dem majority didn't cause the world to end. gently caress sake, is this an accelerationist thread. "Well at least with TurboHitler 3000 we know where we stand."
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Imagine My Supwise when the democrats are a waste thread is critical of most or all democrats. Here are 30 more posts on the subject.
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yronic heroism posted:Good lord, you are dense. I welcome the hypothetical future progressive majority. I just think it ain't gonna come from temper tantrums but by getting more votes. But when progressives talked about primarying Blue Dogs and taking their seats by getting more votes than them, you're the one who threw a temper tantrum about how bad that would be?
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yronic heroism posted:Grand Bargain didn't happen in 2009 so obviously having a bunch of blue dogs as part of a dem majority didn't cause the world to end. Nominating blue dog candidates is an accelerationist position, hth
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Main Paineframe posted:But when progressives talked about primarying Blue Dogs and taking their seats by getting more votes than them, you're the one who threw a temper tantrum about how bad that would be? Well that's a loving lie since I said primary away.
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yronic heroism posted:Good lord, you are dense. I welcome the hypothetical future progressive majority. I just think it ain't gonna come from temper tantrums but by getting more votes. We can't get rid of the GOP by throwing tantrums, Democrats as a whole ought to be very quiet and sitting back so as not to upset the public opinion.
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call to action posted:Like, I'm trying to envision a physical caricature of who Hillary supporters are to make an ironic comparison, but I can't do it because I'm just not that much of a stupid dick 
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steinrokkan posted:We can't get rid of the GOP by throwing tantrums, Democrats as a whole ought to be very quiet and sitting back so as not to upset the public opinion. Fortunately no one believes that. Untortunately some of you seem to actually see Republican congress as the lesser evil at this point. Which is very apt for the bad Dems thread, if they are even Dems at all.
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yronic heroism posted:Grand Bargain didn't happen in 2009 so obviously having a bunch of blue dogs as part of a dem majority didn't cause the world to end. no, it caused the catfood commission and it's idiocy instead. keep trying to pretend blue dogs never did a bad tho apparently though, you really love the blue dogs. does it bring a tear to your eyes when you think about how lieberman betrayed us and hosed over the ACA? and when he lost the democratic primary so he petulantly ran as an independent? if you want to vote for slimy backstabbers like that, then go ahead! also, the dems are accelerationist, not this thread. dems are hoping how terrible the repubs are will prompt a swing back to dems, and have elected to not have a message because of that reasoning. problem is, that's accelerationism! Condiv fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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call to action posted:Like, I'm trying to envision a physical caricature of who Hillary supporters are to make an ironic comparison, but I can't do it because I'm just not that much of a stupid dick They tend to be older, so you're not going to see many online, unless you're Facebook friends with one of your parent's friends or something.
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yronic heroism posted:Fortunately no one believes that. Untortunately some of you seem to actually see Republican congress as the lesser evil at this point. Which is very apt for the bad Dems thread, if they are even Dems at all. Sounds like you are throwing a tantrum, you wouldn't want the Dems to lose because of their bad temper, would you now?
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yronic heroism posted:Fortunately no one believes that. Untortunately some of you seem to actually see Republican congress as the lesser evil at this point. Which is very apt for the bad Dems thread, if they are even Dems at all. we don't want a republican congress. it's the natural result of the dems being as poo poo as they are though. we want the dems to stop being so terrible that they lose to republicans, and part of that is purging the republicans from the democratic party
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Condiv posted:when the dems lost brutally in 2016, did they embrace the lesser of two evils and welcome leftists (including the most popular politician in the country) into the discussion of what to do next? no, they stonewalled leftists and elected empty suits who were totally unqualified. they did not adopt lesser evilism for their "better deal" either, instead opting to appeal only to centrists with warmed over corporate friendly policy from 2016. seems like the "they" here is the voters, which might kinda throw a wrench into the whole "elect leftists" plan
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:seems like the "they" here is the voters, which might kinda throw a wrench into the whole "elect leftists" plan uh, no, "they" refers to the democratic establishment. voters didn't draft the better deal wj. nor did they elect tom perez why do you pretend to be a socialist and then pull dumb stuff like this? 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:seems like the "they" here is the voters, which might kinda throw a wrench into the whole "elect leftists" plan If people hate leftists, and they hate centrists, which is empirically true, then it's obvious the only alternative it the right wing. The question is, are your constant remarks to that effect a product of being overjoyed over this, or simple nihilism?
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call to action posted:Like, I'm trying to envision a physical caricature of who Hillary supporters are to make an ironic comparison, but I can't do it because I'm just not that much of a stupid dick The general idea of "white people dressed and groomed in a way that implies being educated, cosmopolitan, and (at least) upper-middle class." This doesn't necessarily imply expensive clothing; it's more of a cultural thing. edit: I'm referring specifically to younger people here. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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Condiv posted:no, it caused the catfood commission and it's idiocy instead. keep trying to pretend blue dogs never did a bad tho gently caress off. I supported Lamont.
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yronic heroism posted:gently caress off. I supported Lamont. then stop telling me to support blue dogs idiot. i'm not voting for traitors like lieberman, or idiot child manchin
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yronic heroism posted:Grand Bargain didn't happen in 2009 so obviously having a bunch of blue dogs as part of a dem majority didn't cause the world to end. Literally the only reason the Grand Bargain didn't happen was because the Tea Party hosed it all up. http://thehill.com/policy/finance/268857-showdown-scars-how-the-4-trillion-grand-bargain-collapsed https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-evolution-behind-the-failed-grand-bargain-on-the-debt/2012/03/15/gIQAHyyfJS_story.html Read these two article and try to end up at the conclusion of 'thank god the centrist new democrats had the reins'.
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call to action posted:Like, I'm trying to envision a physical caricature of who Hillary supporters are to make an ironic comparison, but I can't do it because I'm just not that much of a stupid dick Neckbeard is now hate speech. Alert r/incels their long nightmare is over.
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Condiv posted:then stop telling me to support blue dogs idiot. i'm not voting for traitors like lieberman, or idiot child manchin I didn't tell you to do anything. I told you how I approach primaries and generals, since I was asked.
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Condiv posted:uh, no, "they" refers to the democratic establishment. voters didn't draft the better deal wj. nor did they elect tom perez I thought we were talking about Ossoff steinrokkan posted:If people hate leftists, and they hate centrists, which is empirically true, then it's obvious the only alternative it the right wing. The question is, are your constant remarks to that effect a product of being overjoyed over this, or simple nihilism? If there aren't enough leftists to elect leftists, and everyone hates centrists, and conservatives win by default (e.g., 2016, 2017 House special elections), then the focus should be on making more leftists, not on trying to find the perfect candidate.
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yronic heroism posted:I didn't tell you to do anything. I told you how I approach primaries and generals, since I was asked. i don't remember asking you about voting for the lesser evil (since i've heard all the idiot arguments since before 2017), but you've certainly told me to vote for the lesser evil in all cases, even blue dogs. if you don't want me associating you with blue dogs, stop trying to defend the scum to me WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I thought we were talking about Ossoff maybe you are? i wasn't though.
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yronic heroism posted:Neckbeard is now hate speech. Alert r/incels their long nightmare is over. I guess I just don't think physically caricaturing people is the right way to go (especially because it's clear you can only get away with it because the target is a hypothetical white dude, imagine someone saying a black person should "stroke their afro" or some dumb poo poo like that)
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I thought we were talking about Ossoff When people were trying to excite voters for a leftist platform, you were bitching about purity tests and unreasonable policy demands.
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For the record, here is what you asked. So yeah in fact you posed a question and I answered, quite different from "telling you what to do."Condiv posted:i'd say the dems who voted to confirm gorsuch would make a good initial list of demands s deserving a primary then wouldn't you?
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yronic heroism posted:For the record, here is what you asked. So yeah in fact you posed a question and I answered, quite different from "telling you what to do." i did not ask you about the lesser evil at all, but which dems deserve primarying. try again
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I thought we were talking about Ossoff Maybe we should try to get more people into leftism and recruit leftist candidates for them to vote for? Crazy, I know.
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steinrokkan posted:When people were trying to excite voters for a leftist platform, you were bitching about purity tests and unreasonable policy demands. I don't know what you're talking about.
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Condiv posted:i did not ask you about the lesser evil at all, but which dems deserve primarying. try again the answer, of course, is everyone who caucuses with the democrats, because they're all capitalists Main Paineframe posted:Maybe we should try to get more people into leftism and recruit leftist candidates for them to vote for? Crazy, I know. sure, but relative focus, you know? I like reading the internal DSA "who should we endorse" discussions, because it's a lot of "eh, gently caress it, so-and-so at least isn't absolutely terrible, now how do we help unionize workplaces"
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I don't know what you're talking about. Whenever a leftist group tries to energize support for itself, you or CC or somebody similar starts complaining that it puts too much strain on the Dem party, that leftists should seek realistic solutions instead of picking policies based on purity, etc. etc. Basically the supposed advice in the context of previous experience "you should make more leftists, but without engaging in politics"
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:the answer, of course, is everyone who caucuses with the democrats, because they're all capitalists i'm sure some could be convinced to abandon the worst excesses of capitalism. keith is good
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Remember how smug the Hillary dorks were during the primaries and general election. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Condiv posted:i'm sure some could be convinced to abandon the worst excesses of capitalism. keith is good jesus loving christ steinrokkan posted:Whenever a leftist group tries to energize support for itself, you or CC or somebody similar starts complaining that it puts too much strain on the Dem party, that leftists should seek realistic solutions instead of picking policies based on purity, etc. etc. Basically the supposed advice in the context of previous experience "you should make more leftists, but without engaging in politics" you have a very limited view of what the universe of "engaging in politics" entails
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://twitter.com/banditelli/status/816079858052698112/video/1 uh, did you miss the part where she was sucking up to the capitalists she was supposed to reign in? there's a reason i hated hillary and it's not cause i'm not an arch-communist or something like when she was telling wall street she was gonna let them regulate themselves more? or talking about loving entitlement reform? those are bad things and proof that "reigning in the excesses of capitalism" was her public face only but nice linking from her bernie phase. the same phase that prompted this lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3iBb1gvehI Condiv fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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