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eschaton posted:Zuck isn't an AI His programming is incomplete and has far too many bugs to be viable for market consumption.
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MizPiz posted:His programming is incomplete and has far too many bugs to be viable for market consumption. That's why it's called a public beta.
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On the other hand, who cares about all this poo poo? The thesis is that "new atheists" are boring, pedantic, shallow and uninspiring, try to disprove that J_RBG posted:In my opinion Sam Kriss is fine but usually requires being conversant in literary theory. I just enjoy knowing that there's someone else out there who, like me, likes a good lie better than the objective truth (or at least believes that good lies make for much better reading) e: like, oh nooo an objective untruth 😱 hackbunny has a new favorite as of 14:59 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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hackbunny posted:On the other hand, who cares about all this poo poo? The thesis is that "new atheists" are boring, pedantic, shallow and uninspiring, try to disprove that thats nice dear
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MizPiz posted:His programming is incomplete and has far too many bugs to be viable for market consumption. Sounds like AI to me!
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The Vosgian Beast posted:thats nice dear lie to me 
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The Vosgian Beast posted:https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/796388921735135232 The graphic CNN made right below trump's tweet about it being a "tremendous cost" is pretty fantastic: 
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hackbunny posted:I just enjoy knowing that there's someone else out there who, like me, likes a good lie better than the objective truth (or at least believes that good lies make for much better reading) Jean Paul-Sartre posted:Never believe that (I am aware of the irony of this edit, since Sam Kriss is Jewish. But if you're defending bad-faith rhetoric as a tool, expect me to call it what it is: language deployed in bad faith.)
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The Vosgian Beast posted:https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/796388921735135232 this take amazes me anew every time I see it how did he think politics works, how did he think trump works
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Peel posted:this take amazes me anew every time I see it I wish he still hateread this thread, because I seriously want to know how his zhuangist subgenius radical skeptic e-prime humean high-IQ superbrain didn't expect the far-right candidate to do far-right things. Curvature of Earth posted:(I am aware of the irony of this edit, since Sam Kriss is Jewish. But if you're defending bad-faith rhetoric as a tool, expect me to call it what it is: language deployed in bad faith.) The one Sam Kriss article I like was the one where he suspends promoting the Sam Kriss brand of disingenuous glibness for five seconds to actually talk about something.
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So I binged this thread, and then lo and behold, a certain troll popped up on my facebook feed again (relative of a friend). And I realized that his purple prose arguments, condescension to everyone else, pearl-clutching about marxism, fixation on "virtue signalling" and how universities are evil and stifle free thought, calls himself "Uber Conservative" in his profile... I think I found a Neoreactionary in the wild. I cannot decide if I want to block the guy, or try to get him to out himself as a neoreactionary.
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He might not be DE/NRX, he might just be a channer.
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Pope Guilty posted:He might not be DE/NRX, he might just be a channer. Oh, good point. That's probably more likely. They are more numerous.
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My friend fell down a twitter rabbit hole the other day and discovered the bizarre world of, as he puts it, "woke communist catholics", who are agreeable on several things but then you get to talking about icky transpeople and well https://twitter.com/ccpecknold/status/889636351053897729 https://twitter.com/ccpecknold/status/889805403990745088 Jesus is literally the concept of gender??  Friend says a bunch of them are also apparently fascists and 100% earnest tankies too, and they all seem to have weird unaddressed authority problems. Not really the dark enlightenment types but definitely weirdly adjacent I'd say, and I know this thread loves twitter weirdos with Bad Opinions
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Welcome 2 the wild world of weird left Catholic Twitter! They are all Thomists.
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Curvature of Earth posted:(I am aware of the irony of this edit, since Sam Kriss is Jewish. But if you're defending bad-faith rhetoric as a tool, expect me to call it what it is: language deployed in bad faith.) And not a second too late, we have bad faith rhetoric used to attack bad faith rhetoric  Nice projection but I'm just saying that I, like Sam Kriss, find good lies extremely satisfying in a way scientific fact dreams it could be. Like Sam Kriss, I also find it extremely hard to find good lies. See how weak his articles on sun gazing and flat earth are: the ideas are beautiful (earth is a flat disc suspended in the middle of the universe; the sun is far more complex and sinister than just a really bright nuclear reaction) but good material is so hard to come by. As it usually happens, the only part of the sun gazing article that I can remember is where he quotes a crazy person (Tila Tequila). Schizophrenics come up with the most incredible lies, I remember this jaw dropping rant a guy wrote in the comment section of a random webpage, where he stated as a fact that crude oil doesn't exist (it's just water and manure mixed together), that the segmentation of citrus fruits is a shattering caused by the moon's gravitational pull, that the marks on the skins of whales mirror the sky's constellations, and I forget what else (he was also a victim of a conspiracy that involved the mafia and Berlusconi) ... I have derailed for long enough I guess
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hackbunny posted:And not a second too late, we have bad faith rhetoric used to attack bad faith rhetoric
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hackbunny posted:Tila Tequila quote:Actress, Alt-Right darling and Houstonian Tila Tequila has added a new line to her resume - God.
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I mean I know she was vaguely famous at one time in the past but it's real weird that someone thought it necessary to write a serious, matter-of-fact news report on a woman's schizophrenic ramblings instead of just, idk, calling social services or something?
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Wait is the thread actually leaning into the idea that Sam Kriss is a neoreactionary? What aims do you all think he actually has? Who's he directing his writing at and to what end? I think the point of what he does, and this isn't particularly obscure to grasp, is that ideas like conspiracy theories and the Creation myth of the Hebrew Bible may be obviously demonstrably wrong but still have some value in teaching us how we perceive the world, exactly like art, which holds no demonstrable truth value at all. (If you're reading this thread you think exactly the same thing). He's not alone in writing like that (and he definitely isn't a creationist! Kin ell), and no, it's not particularly amazing or revolutionary, and his style is more hindrance than anything else. But it's good and valuable writing anyway. And I think the inability to see the value in his work is quite telling, and it points to a general uneasiness with what the project of critical theory even is (maybe as a result of its critiques). The whole point of critical theory is that it fits into the wider humanistic project through its rigorous critique of things like rationalism. Not just the fake rationalism of these wannabes, interesting though that is, but even the genuine rationality of, say, analytic philosophy. In short he's on Our Side - like us, he's advancing an ideology that sees the end-goal of politics being the enrichment, liberation and empowerment of everybody. When he uses bad faith arguments, like resorting to personal attacks, it's because the subject fully deserves it. Have some perspective!
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Ironic shitposting is still shitposting. And he did imply that Marine Le Pen was a favourable choice compared to Emmanuel Macron.
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TinTower posted:Ironic shitposting is still shitposting. The point of people enjoying him is that they don't think he's shitposting. It was a lovely tweet. You could use contextual clues to discern whether he actually thought that but I guess we'll never know!!
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ate all the Oreos posted:My friend fell down a twitter rabbit hole the other day and discovered the bizarre world of, as he puts it, "woke communist catholics", who are agreeable on several things but then you get to talking about icky transpeople and well We've all already suffered too much commie ned flanders
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J_RBG posted:Wait is the thread actually leaning into the idea that Sam Kriss is a neoreactionary? What aims do you all think he actually has? Who's he directing his writing at and to what end? I think the point of what he does, and this isn't particularly obscure to grasp, is that ideas like conspiracy theories and the Creation myth of the Hebrew Bible may be obviously demonstrably wrong but still have some value in teaching us how we perceive the world, exactly like art, which holds no demonstrable truth value at all. (If you're reading this thread you think exactly the same thing). He's not alone in writing like that (and he definitely isn't a creationist! Kin ell), and no, it's not particularly amazing or revolutionary, and his style is more hindrance than anything else. But it's good and valuable writing anyway. He's not a neoreactionary he's just a Nobody was suggesting he was NRx, please use your reading comprehension. I know you think Sam Kriss is good, so it's hard, but you must have some
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J_RBG posted:The point of people enjoying him is that they don't think he's shitposting. So he's basically an IRL Howard W. Campbell except Campbell was doing his Nazi playacting for a reason.
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J_RBG posted:The point of people enjoying him is that they don't think he's shitposting. We did. He backtracked from his glib disingenuous statement to one he was willing to defend, while pretending it wasn't backtracking it was just "undialectical" of us to assume he was using words to mean things.
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*5000 word post explaining that it's possible to do a thing ironically* Morgan Freeman: It isn't
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Relevant Tangent posted:*5000 word post explaining that it's possible to do a thing ironically* I think you're maybe thinking of the Ron Howard Arrested Development narrator voice?
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Yeah, I'm trying a new bit. I like Freeman's voice for simple declarative statements, the Shawshank Redemption style.
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I mean Sam Kriss doesn't really pretend to be a nazi ironically. Mainly he just pretends to be a 2edgy dumbass with generally left-wing opinions
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I was complaining the other day about how Internet Atheists make it really difficult to want to identify with their cause, owing mostly to their adjacency to NRx/Alt-Right positions. Local religious types here in East Kansas are generally more chill (with a couple glaring Westboro-shaped exceptions, also a European might disagree with my definion of 'chill'), our history is full of Unitarian Utopian-types, and I lamented that the overeager youth pastor is far more amenable to conversation than the Vape-hat McNomasters that smirk their way into meaningless by-your-logic arguments online constantly- My friend, a staunch atheist, pointed out that its not necessarily the atheism itself that makes these clods irritating. In pointing out that these guys are mostly, well, guys- typically white ones, with a comfortable income- she posited that the reason they're so obnoxious has more to do with the fact that they have very little to lose compared to atheists who are in a more possibly compromising social situation. Thought of that reading this thread, especially the bit about how NRx types see themselves as heroic inheritors of struggle against religion in a time when most of the risk associated with that struggle is moot- for them. So of course they're obnoxious, they both overinflate the danger they face while downplaying the very real hazards of being, say, a black atheist in a deeply religious southern community. Couldn't stop thinking about it, and was curious if posters ITT had any thoughts on the issue of risk associated with being an outspoken atheist. Who are the thinkers out there today actually putting themselves in harm's way? I'm sure they exist but the ones who crow the most about being 'dangerous' or 'persecuted' tend to be folks who don't need to rely on community to survive.
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Peel posted:Honestly this whole conception where you have an intelligence like a DBZ power level inherent to your being is a plague on society and the self-image of developing children. More like a Kaio-ken. Wears off and is probably bad for you if used too much.
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Speaking from a position of having been an outspoken Facebook atheist at a much earlier age, the only negative consequence was that I looked and quacked like a jackass and probably alienated some people I don't come into contact with anymore anyways White and upper middle class by the way EvenWorseOpinions has a new favorite as of 01:23 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Peanut Butler posted:Couldn't stop thinking about it, and was curious if posters ITT had any thoughts on the issue of risk associated with being an outspoken atheist. Who are the thinkers out there today actually putting themselves in harm's way? I'm sure they exist but the ones who crow the most about being 'dangerous' or 'persecuted' tend to be folks who don't need to rely on community to survive. The only outspoken secularist who's currently being punished for their beliefs that I can think of is Abdullah Öcalan, but he's in trouble more for the "separatist Peanut Butler posted:My friend, a staunch atheist, pointed out that its not necessarily the atheism itself that makes these clods irritating. In pointing out that these guys are mostly, well, guys- typically white ones, with a comfortable income- she posited that the reason they're so obnoxious has more to do with the fact that they have very little to lose compared to atheists who are in a more possibly compromising social situation. I think the main thing is that they've inherited some really strong arguments from far smarter people who actually did face consequences for them (looking at you David Hume), but they think that borrowing those old lines makes them an edgy rebel rather than a follower in a long-standing tradition. See also: teenagers who've read books by Ayn Rand or Friedrich Nietzsche or Howard Zinn or
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