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Call Me Charlie posted:So...what's this thread's thoughts on Bannon trying to push Trump into introducing a 44% tax bracket for anybody making over 5 million a year? (which, as far as I can figure from a google search, would be the top 1/10th of the 1%) If Trump pushes for it it will go little better then the skinny Obamacare repeal.
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itt, whiskey juvenile pretends that one of the people behind the grand bargain to slash social security was being honest when she said the social safety net is good and we need to protect it
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Jul 27, 2017 23:45
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Actually slashing the safety net is good, because it's not full communism so it's worthless, and anyway all the electable Democratic candidates like Ossoff want to do it
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Condiv posted:that's not an answer. why do you not realize this? the kid asked what she was going to do and instead she says we're capitalist and lists some ways that's failed Check out this liberal complaining about purity tests WhiskeyJuvenile fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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twodot posted:If the Democrats can't beat blatant lies then their problem is not at all restricted to this issue. Like if this strategy works, Republicans can also just say lies like "I wanted to lower the cost of your healthcare and let you keep your doctor and also give you a pony, but the Democrats still wouldn't work with me." I realize the Republicans are going to lie, so coming up with strategies to counter lies is important, but if we're afraid of lies, if we don't have a counter, then just give up, democracy has failed. The difference is that it's technically not a lie. It's true when comes to income tax but it doesn't cover the scope of his tax overhaul. Good luck trying to explain to people, who's taxes are going down and who think the estate tax is actually a death tax, why a 5% tax raise on the top 1/10th of 1% is not a progressive measure. I don't know if you've ever tried arguing with somebody why a flat tax is bad thing but it's not something people accept on the first try of trying to get through to them.
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Checkout WJ's hot take.Call Me Charlie posted:The difference is that it's technically not a lie. It's true when comes to income tax but it doesn't cover the scope of his tax overhaul. Good luck trying to explain to people, who's taxes are going down and who think the estate tax is actually a death tax, why a 5% tax raise on the top 1/10th of 1% is not a progressive measure. I don't know if you've ever tried arguing with somebody why a flat tax is bad thing but it's not something people accept on the first try of trying to get through to them. I don't see it passing the house because too many of the GOP's top donars make their money through income not capital gains.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Check out this liberal complaining about purity tests Turn your monitor on.
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Call Me Charlie posted:The difference is that it's technically not a lie. It's true when comes to income tax but it doesn't cover the scope of his tax overhaul. Good luck trying to explain to people, who's taxes are going down and who think the estate tax is actually a death tax, why a 5% tax raise on the top 1/10th of 1% is not a progressive measure. I don't know if you've ever tried arguing with somebody why a flat tax is bad thing but it's not something people accept on the first try of trying to get through to them.
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Call Me Charlie posted:I'm more afraid of the consequences of a no-win situation. In that situation they should probably pass it and then run on raising corporate taxes back up, any Republican who criticizes them can be tarred as going back on the GOP's promise to tax the rich. Yeah it's not ideal, turns out voting a literal caricature of a greedy corrupt avaricious worker-hating New York fat cat real estate mogul and oligarch to run the country was a bad idea that would inevitably lead to a bunch of no-win scenarios, who knew?
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Check out this liberal complaining about purity tests so you completely gave up on pretending nancy pelosi gave an appropriate answer? glad to hear, cause that was some ridiculous poo poo next we just have to work on you not freaking out cause hillary and co called bernie socialist and he didn't deny it
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Whiskey Juvenile in 2020 posted:As a true socialist, bernie sanders and donald trump are both so right wing as to be indistinguishable to me! so of course i voted trump!!
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Condiv posted:so you completely gave up on pretending nancy pelosi gave an appropriate answer? glad to hear, cause that was some ridiculous poo poo she gave a bad answer that's bad on substance in the same way that bernie's campaign was bad, but worse than bernie on tenor with respect to a portion of the electorate so like I don't much give a poo poo 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Again, I voted Hillary because I didn't see much daylight between the two vis-a-vis anticapitalism lmao, and also shut the gently caress up.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:she gave a bad answer that's bad on substance in the same way that bernie's campaign was bad, but worse than bernie on tenor with respect to a portion of the electorate you sure gave enough of a poo poo to try to pretend there was any substance in her answer. and you give enough of a poo poo now to try to draw a false equivalence between sanders' message and pelosi's here's the difference, since you seem to be unable to parse political weasel speak at all. pelosi was asked what she would do, and refused to actually commit to anything and instead giving a short history of capitalism meanwhile, bernie actually pushes policies such as singlepayer (which pelosi is against), 15$/hr minimum wage, and free college. these policies aren't fully fleshed out, but they address people's needs. pelosi on the other hand refuses to acknowledge people's needs (see her schtick about home ownership to that student, something that feels hopelessly unachievable to most millennials) quote:i know it sounds ridiculous, but so does "Again, I voted Hillary because I didn't see much daylight between the two vis-a-vis anticapitalism" when talking about a guy who spoke out against too big to fail banks vs a woman who took millions in handouts from them.
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tekz posted:lmao, and also shut the gently caress up. it is with a heavy heart that i must announce that bernie sanders is a capitalist
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:it is with a heavy heart that i must announce that bernie sanders is a capitalist so is trump, so you must've had a hard time not voting for him in the general
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Whiskey Juvenille posted:How am i supposed to tell the difference between these two capitalists!? They're just too similar! *furrows brow as he contemplates trump vs hillary*
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Jul 28, 2017 00:39
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:but if you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're still voting for evil that's only an excuse you get to make if you can tell the difference. and you can't! they're all capitalists!! 
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Hillary and Bernie are exactly the same you guys, there's no reason to support him over her, all their policies are the same. Oh also Hillary is the pragmatic electable choice because Sanders is a far out loony leftist and we need Hillary's moderate bipartisan centrist policies not his out there pie-in-the-sky impractical policies, you'll understand the importance of moderate politics when you're older.
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Jul 28, 2017 00:50
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These are the same dishonest arguments from the DNC chair thread. "Perez and Ellison are exactly the same, don't worry about who gets elected, oh by the way it has to be Perez because Ellison is a scary far-left blacky black black Muslim"
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VitalSigns posted:These are the same dishonest arguments from the DNC chair thread. i loved centrists' instistence that perez wasn't an empty suit and he'd do a good job not much time has passed since that and wow. perez is a trainwreck of a DNC chair who'dve guessed that one
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Jul 28, 2017 01:02
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I both hate Bernie for being to much of a socialist. Also he is too much of a capitalist.
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Look there's no difference between single payer and the heritage foundation health care plan, and no difference between breaking up the too-big-to-fail banking cartels and letting the banks write their own regulations, no difference at all. Oh also did you know Bernie's Wall Street plan will hurt corporate profits and that's the worst thing possible, we can't vote for his loony policies that are totally the same as Hillary's sensible policies anyway and anyone who says they're different is being a baby about it.
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I'm a well off New York lawyer who voted for Hillary Clinton. But it's not like you think!
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The Kingfish posted:I'm a well off New York lawyer who voted for Hillary Clinton. But it's not like you think! 
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call to action posted:Like, I'm trying to envision a physical caricature of who Hillary supporters are to make an ironic comparison, but I can't do it because I'm just not that much of a stupid dick Why do you need caricatures when you can have some real ones? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1hg6VrXcjg
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:it is with a heavy heart that i must announce that bernie sanders is a capitalist (til 32:51 in video) Not so sure about that 
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Sneakster posted:(til 32:51 in video) https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/07/what-socialism-means quote:Viewed through this lens, what in the platform of Bernie Sanders is properly socialist? Take single payer health insurance, where the government serves the role typically held by insurance companies, and where progressive taxes help alleviate the burden of paying for care faced by the poor. I support this policy wholeheartedly. But it is not a socialist alternative to health care. “The government pays money for what the people need” is not socialist in general, but rather simply welfare liberalism, as it preserves the role of currency exchange and profit in the first place. A real socialist alternative would be to socialize the health care industry entirely, and have doctors and hospitals provide services based on human need rather than the dictates of the profit model. I don’t think socialized health care is plausible in the short term, and I will take a single-payer system over our current one in a heartbeat. But we should not confuse a single-payer system for a true socialist alternative, just as we should not confuse government-funded college education for a socialized system where education is provided based on need and not on a market mechanism.
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This is all fine and good until you take it and start making invalid inferences to draw erroneous conclusions like "if single-payer is not socialism, then it is indistinguishable from https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/"
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VitalSigns posted:This is all fine and good until you take it and start making invalid inferences to draw erroneous conclusions like "if single-payer is not socialism, then it is indistinguishable from https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/" at the end of the day, single payer and a public option are a lot closer together than either is to a NHS
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:at the end of the day, single payer and a public option are a lot closer together than either is to a NHS 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:at the end of the day, single payer and a public option are a lot closer together than either is to a NHS Maybe if you're some six-figure gently caress these differences don't matter. You consistently choose to compromise in the worst way possible. You're a bad supposed socialist. You suck.
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Jizz Festival posted:Maybe if you're some six-figure gently caress these differences don't matter. You consistently choose to compromise in the worst way possible. You're a bad supposed socialist. You suck.
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Also lol at "I voted for Hillary because black people wanted her." Like you used the magic of polling to peer into the black soul and nodded in agreement.
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Jizz Festival posted:Also lol at "I voted for Hillary because black people wanted her." Like you used the magic of polling to peer into the black soul and nodded in agreement. did they not?
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