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ATP_Power posted:The pink letter makes sense if it was written by Mance Rayder to try and make John do something really loving stupid. why would mance have written it
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mastershakeman posted:why would mance have written it To provoke Jon to disregard his NW oath and attack the Boltons.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:28
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I wouldn't be surprised if GRRM is just driving everyone crazy with the insane waits and it really is as simple as 'Ramsay wrote it'
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Jul 27, 2017 23:00
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These last two episodes have mostly been setup and "as you know" conversations. Having that big ambush battle happen again like last season is just awful writing though.
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So are we just sort of done with the religion stuff? Just kinda blow some people up and that's that, 2 seasons worth of problem solved.
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Jul 28, 2017 01:23
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drunken officeparty posted:So are we just sort of done with the religion stuff? Just kinda blow some people up and that's that, 2 seasons worth of problem solved. I'm glad. It means we're not going to get some stupid "It was all a proxy battle for the Seven/Old Gods/Red God" that some claim is hinted at by the books.
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Anyone paying attention knows the gods in this universe simply do not give a gently caress.
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I'm talking about the mobs of people going al queda on everything e: al queda might not be the best comparison. The sparrows were millitant but they also helped the common people probably way more than the government. drunken officeparty fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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drunken officeparty posted:So are we just sort of done with the religion stuff? Just kinda blow some people up and that's that, 2 seasons worth of problem solved. the vatican got roasty and toasty, but i hear the lord of light is picking up steam
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Jul 28, 2017 01:47
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God I forgot about the pink letter. I can't wait until the show is over and this all goes away. Once the show is over I will finally be able to forget about the books and move past this whole thing. At this point if winds ever comes out(it won't) I doubt I'll read it unless he actually manages to finish the series before he dies(he won't).
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ATP_Power posted:The pink letter makes sense if it was written by Mance Rayder to try and make John do something really loving stupid. Because he got bored?
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PostNouveau posted:I'm glad. It means we're not going to get some stupid "It was all a proxy battle for the Seven/Old Gods/Red God" that some claim is hinted at by the books. The Seven don't even exist in the books.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:The Seven don't even exist in the books. 
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it's pretty blatantly true, the red priests obviously have some power and there's pretty good hints that the old gods exist but the seven pretty much have done jack poo poo in the entire book series
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Pretty much. The better way to look at it is that the red priests can see the future in the flames and do some kinds of fire magic, whether a real god is involved or not; and the sacred weirwoods of the old gods can be magically used to have visions of past, present, and maybe future, whether gods are involved or not; but the magical rituals of the Seven are very few in number, and the one we see the most (trial by combat) flat out doesn't work. No matter how you slice it, Tyrion wasn't guilty of the crime he was found guilty of committing. So either the seven don't exist, they exist but their religion is bunk, or they're huge assholes.
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skasion posted:Pretty much. The better way to look at it is that the red priests can see the future in the flames and do some kinds of fire magic, whether a real god is involved or not; and the sacred weirwoods of the old gods can be magically used to have visions of past, present, and maybe future, whether gods are involved or not; but the magical rituals of the Seven are very few in number, and the one we see the most (trial by combat) flat out doesn't work. No matter how you slice it, Tyrion wasn't guilty of the crime he was found guilty of committing. So either the seven don't exist, they exist but their religion is bunk, or they're huge assholes. Olds Gods and Red God are also capable of destroying a whole a whole landmass and raising the dead, respectively. It's serious poo poo.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:it's pretty blatantly true, the red priests obviously have some power and there's pretty good hints that the old gods exist but the seven pretty much have done jack poo poo in the entire book series Well that just makes them like our real gods in real life that do jack poo poo.
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Did they ever pronounce R'hllor's name in the show or has it always been called The Lord of Light? I just realised that I want to hear how you pronounce a stupid name like R'hllor
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Jul 28, 2017 03:16
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"Real ore." Duh!
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Jul 28, 2017 03:23
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I seem to remember a theme in the books where prayers to the Seven get answered ironically. Cat prays to see Ned again and his bones are later sent to her at Riverrun. Sansa prays for Joffrey to die and he does so in a manner that implicates her. Not sure if I am misremembering.
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Jul 28, 2017 03:34
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Don't forget Victorian pulls off the hat trick by sacrificing seven people to the drowned god and the Lord of light by lighting their ships on fire
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Jul 28, 2017 03:39
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If you think about it Death has killed more people than all the other gods put together.
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:If you think about it Death has killed more people than all the other gods put together. The only god actually doing poo poo (assuming the red god is the same one)
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Jul 28, 2017 03:56
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What are Preston Jacobs thought on the Seven?
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lezard_valeth posted:Did they ever pronounce R'hllor's name in the show or has it always been called The Lord of Light? I just realised that I want to hear how you pronounce a stupid name like R'hllor Once. When Mel met Thoros.
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Is there anyone in this thread that actually enjoys the show? I agree with the fact that they've killed off a lot of great characters/actors but I'm still thoroughly enjoying this season.
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fromsinkingsands posted:Is there anyone in this thread that actually enjoys the show? I agree with the fact that they've killed off a lot of great characters/actors but I'm still thoroughly enjoying this season. It's possible to both have fun watching the episode and also have fun picking it apart.
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I like it better now that it's schlocky garbo than when it pretended to be Great Television.
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fromsinkingsands posted:Is there anyone in this thread that actually enjoys the show? I agree with the fact that they've killed off a lot of great characters/actors but I'm still thoroughly enjoying this season. It was never like, a profound series or anything, but I had more fun when it was poo poo like this, and less like...giant zombie armies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ES_ElI6Wg it may just be a part of the book narrative, I haven't read them, but I hear they're released in decreasing quality
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Feels Villeneuve posted:it's pretty blatantly true, the red priests obviously have some power and there's pretty good hints that the old gods exist but the seven pretty much have done jack poo poo in the entire book series Shimrra Jamaane posted:What are Preston Jacobs thought on the Seven? So, generally Preston's reading is along the lines of: so far every act of divine intervention has seemingly just involved some weirwood or black candle user influencing events through telepathic manipulation, visions or glamors. I think it's a cool reading and hope he's right.
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Groovelord Neato posted:the trash all goes into the writers' room. uhh I think we have several seasons of proof that the trash comes out of the writers' room. fromsinkingsands posted:Is there anyone in this thread that actually enjoys the show? I agree with the fact that they've killed off a lot of great characters/actors but I'm still thoroughly enjoying this season. I still like it, just in a different way from the early seasons. Poking holes in details is a part of enjoying schlock(which this show has def become) and I'd guess that most of the people posting about travel times and army logistics here like the show just fine. Punkin Spunkin posted:it may just be a part of the book narrative, I haven't read them, but I hear they're released in decreasing quality Books 1-3: Pretty good as far as fantasy goes. 4-5: Garbage. 6-?: lol never coming out. The show's in the last part now and no one knows for sure how much of an outline grrm has given them, but chances are they're coming up with the details themselves.
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I still like the show and the actors in it even if I've grown to hate the writers
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TOOT BOOT posted:I wouldn't be surprised if GRRM is just driving everyone crazy with the insane waits and it really is as simple as 'Ramsay wrote it' At this point I'm completely convinced there's no way in hell Stannis is gonna lose the battle of Winterfell. It's gonna be real funny when the book comes out and it turns out he loses it in a really stupid way just like in the show.
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I'm basically just parroting Preston Jacob's reading of the books, but the pink letter being written by Ramsay doesn't track with how the letter is written, and several turns of phrase and focuses of the letter make more sense if a member of the free folk had written it. Mance was in Winterfell, could've accessed seals and wax and a raven for the message, and nobody at the Wall actually knew what Ramsay's signature or seal looked like. E: I hope anyone can see why Mance would want to make a play at taking down Jon and going for Wildling control of the gift as a sovereign people and free his consort and son from captivity. ATP_Power fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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GoT Cockwatch - Very much an episode of contrasts for the cockless men. An incredibly strong showing from Grey Worm, whipping out the lords kiss and banging Missandei, hats off to him that was first class. Jorah seemed pretty accepting of his fate, must have been pretty awkward when Sam got down there but god bless him he had a good attitude about it. Surprisingly fine behaviour from Literally A Slaver Mormont. Real poor form from Theon though. Yes it was traumatic, but abandoning your sister just because you got a wee reminder? Not cool Theon. This has been Cockwatch, I've been your host, good night.
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Cockwatch with Vitamin P-nis
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fromsinkingsands posted:Is there anyone in this thread that actually enjoys the show? I agree with the fact that they've killed off a lot of great characters/actors but I'm still thoroughly enjoying this season. It's been good this season. And I thought all of Season 5 was terrible except for Hardhome and all of Season 6 was terrible except for the final two episodes. Finally Arya is doing other than getting hit by sticks. Finally Dany is in Westeros instead of wasting time doing nothing in Meereen. There's no more endlessly boring High Sparrow speeches. Sand Snakes died. Ramsay is dead; We all got sick of him. I like that characters are combining and there's more focus. I wish it wasn't about to end right when it's starting to get good again.
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I am in the minority who liked Bernie Sparrow. My favorite was when he managed to outfox Olenna Tyrell. "Release my daughter or we will stop shipping grain to King's Landing and we'll make the smallfolk know it's because if you." "Oh? And tell me do you till the soil? Do you harvest the wheat? By your own hand?" A good way of showing his take on Varys' koan about where power actually lies without being completely on the nose.
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WampaLord posted:It's possible to both have fun watching the episode and also have fun picking it apart.
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