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regarding swedish pricing: https://www.facebook.com/AMDDeutschland/posts/1570345849692602  reddit translation posted:Hi Stefan, we understand your worries. But please let us say this: it is only an unconfirmed rumor. And we don't comment on those in general. But we hope you will form your opinion about VEGA after there are offical or independent, but confirmed information about it. quote:Guys, please be sweethearts! We said about rumors what there is to say. So please read the last paragraph of the article you posted. "There are a bunch of reasons to doubt the pricing information coming from sweden.", so wait and see
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Right now literally everything is overpriced, so there's actually a 50% chance that Vega launch pricing just makes people go "oh." It's only if there's some kind of mining burst before then that anyone will really notice the problems.
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Anyone know how to downgrade your Radeon driver? I have a feeling their new driver is doing something really weird, and running old setups just uses an online installer that fetches the newest.
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Uninstall the current driver, then download an old one from here.
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Craptacular! posted:Right now literally everything is overpriced, so there's actually a 50% chance that Vega launch pricing just makes people go "oh." Not really, every indication is that Vega competes with the 1080 in performance and you can get one of those for $500 even with the mining stuff, then there is the 1080Ti, a much faster card for $700. If these pricing rumors end up correct we would be looking at a $800-$900 Vega card with $500 worth of performance. Every review will pan the card, and those reviews, especially when all the reviewers agree, really do set public perception of the product. The only other possibility I see is that these prices are not MSRP but prices being set extremely high by retailers to gouge miners right out of the gate, but last I looked the mining performance of Vega is pretty bad so miners won't be buying anyway.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Not really, every indication is that Vega competes with the 1080 in performance and you can get one of those for $500 even with the mining stuff, then there is the 1080Ti, a much faster card for $700. If these pricing rumors end up correct we would be looking at a $800-$900 Vega card with $500 worth of performance. Every review will pan the card, and those reviews, especially when all the reviewers agree, really do set public perception of the product. The only other possibility I see is that these prices are not MSRP but prices being set extremely high by retailers to gouge miners right out of the gate, but last I looked the mining performance of Vega is pretty bad so miners won't be buying anyway.  AMD gets a lot of press sympathy points even when they turn out to be overpriced and overly late garbage like Phenom and BD, despite what the red team cultists complaining otherwise.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Not really, every indication is that Vega competes with the 1080 in performance and you can get one of those for $500 even with the mining stuff, then there is the 1080Ti, a much faster card for $700. If these pricing rumors end up correct we would be looking at a $800-$900 Vega card with $500 worth of performance. Every review will pan the card, and those reviews, especially when all the reviewers agree, really do set public perception of the product. The only other possibility I see is that these prices are not MSRP but prices being set extremely high by retailers to gouge miners right out of the gate, but last I looked the mining performance of Vega is pretty bad so miners won't be buying anyway. Oh dear... IntelUser2000 posted:There are people on Ethereum forums where they swear by the Vega FE's they managed to get. Some really smart guys too. I take exception to the bold bit. I wonder how long the ROI is for Vega FE especially compared to just buying two cheaper cards that are nearly as fast.
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At this point I'm really loving hoping all the crypto currency miners just roll over and die before Volta hits because I really want to get a new card
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VostokProgram posted:At this point I'm really loving hoping all the crypto currency miners just roll over and die before Volta hits because I really want to get a new card I'm pulling this completely out of my rear end, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if nVidia debuts the x70 Volta for ~$449. They don't need to compete with AMD this generation, so why kneecap them with another $329-349 initial MSRP? BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I'm pulling this completely out of my rear end, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if nVidia debuts the x70 Volta for ~$449. They don't need to compete with AMD this generation, so why kneecap them with another $329-349 initial MSRP?
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:They'd be pricing it more because miners would actually pay for that. Video card pricing can still be a bit of a sore spot for a lot of people, unlike CPUs. Every unsubstantiated rumor I've heard about Volta suggests GDDR5X for the x70 and GDDR6 for the x80. Pretty sure the same thing that hosed over efficient mining with cards using GDDR5X will be the same on cards using GDDR6, perhaps even more so, because no one's going to bother modifying hash code for a single GPU architecture unless it magically quadruples completion rates or something.
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Drakhoran posted:Uninstall the current driver, then download an old one from here. I used the selector first, but it only has the newest version. I've got a R9 270X.
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For anyone in the thread with a 1080ti Founders Edition that's tired of their card being a hot loud mess I've got a good trip report to share. I was able to snag one of EVGA's Hybrid kits that they recently re-designed and released. https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=400-HY-5598-B1 It went on my PNY 1080ti FE with no issues, there's a ton of parts provided including a new shroud so my card can play dressup and pretend to be an EVGA hybrid 1080ti now. The design is pretty interesting with a copper block covering the bits around the gpu core and mates to the pump that sits on the core itself, they also include a new fan with heatsink that cools all the bits that the main block doesn't get like some of the memory modules. The directions were pretty easy to follow as long as you took a moment to think about what you were doing before you actually did it. I only needed 2 Phillips screwdrivers and a 4mm nut driver to swap everything out, all told it probably took me a little over an hour to do. My temps went from ~75°C at load with a custom fan profile that was somewhere between "noticable" and "hairdryer" to maxing out at 42°C in some passmark testing it did last night. The fan on the radiator is comparable to a case fan and I just left it on auto and it stayed at a suitably low RPM. The results probably aren't news to many of you since everyone knows the reference coolers suck compared to just about anything else and while the price tag on the kit is about $20-40 more than it probably should be it does have good fit and finish. In short.. I spent $600 on a video card to spend another $170 on a cooler for it to not be so hot or loud.
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1gnoirents posted:Im glad there is a revision but $170 Assuming the mounting system is relatively similar to a G10, and that NVidia doesn't decide to radically redesign their layouts, you spend that $170 once and can keep swapping it to new cards for years, ensuring a nice cool and quiet gaming system.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Every unsubstantiated rumor I've heard about Volta suggests GDDR5X for the x70 and GDDR6 for the x80. Pretty sure the same thing that hosed over efficient mining with cards using GDDR5X will be the same on cards using GDDR6, perhaps even more so, because no one's going to bother modifying hash code for a single GPU architecture unless it magically quadruples completion rates or something. As far as I know this is only an issue with Etherium though, my 1070s and 1080 Tis have pretty similar mining efficiency with Nicehash the latter just never mine Eth. SpaceBanditos posted:For anyone in the thread with a 1080ti Founders Edition that's tired of their card being a hot loud mess I've got a good trip report to share. I was able to snag one of EVGA's Hybrid kits that they recently re-designed and released. Sadly I can't do this because I don't have a reference PCB, have you noticed any difference in the clocks the card is able to hit? MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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MaxxBot posted:Sadly I can't do this because I don't have a reference PCB, have you noticed any difference in the clocks the card is able to hit? You can still use a G10+AIO on most non-reference PCBs, since almost no one bothers to change up the actual mounting hole layouts, and the fan on the G10 doesn't much care if the VRMs are in slightly different arrangements. Liquid cooling doesn't do a whole lot for Pascal cards in terms of allowing higher clocks, but it does keep things a lot quieter.
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By the time I got it all put together I ran a quick benchmark and then loaded up PUBG and played way too late into the night. I'll mess with MSI afterburner a bit this weekend and see what it does. It will probably boost clock the same as before but I won't need the fan going full tilt to do it.
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DrDork posted:You can still use a G10+AIO on most non-reference PCBs, since almost no one bothers to change up the actual mounting hole layouts, and the fan on the G10 doesn't much care if the VRMs are in slightly different arrangements. My 1070 clocks are pretty stable but my 1080 Ti clocks down a bit as it heats up, I'm assuming that this is because power consumption goes up with temperature and the 1080 Ti seems to peg the power limit more often than the 1070 does.
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SpaceBanditos posted:By the time I got it all put together I ran a quick benchmark and then loaded up PUBG and played way too late into the night. I'll mess with MSI afterburner a bit this weekend and see what it does. It will probably boost clock the same as before but I won't need the fan going full tilt to do it. You should be able to sustain higher clockspeeds coming from an FE blower from all that I've seen. It's about the only real scenario where slapping on an AIO will actually make your card faster for Pascal. And now you can OC to the same general frequency range as everybody else which can be significantly higher than sustained clockspeeds with a blower. That being said I dont know wtf is up with PUBG but if I OC 50 mhz on memory it crashes hard. That game actually made me stick to an undervolt for the first time ever.
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1gnoirents posted:You should be able to sustain higher clockspeeds coming from an FE blower from all that I've seen. It's about the only real scenario where slapping on an AIO will actually make your card faster for Pascal. And now you can OC to the same general frequency range as everybody else which can be significantly higher than sustained clockspeeds with a blower. PUBG is super picky when it comes to clocks with pascal it seems. Very easy to get it to crash when messing with clocks and voltages.
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http://www.pcgamer.com/cryptocurrency-miners-are-renting-boeing-747s-to-ship-graphics-cards/ Hmmmm
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SinineSiil posted:http://www.pcgamer.com/cryptocurrency-miners-are-renting-boeing-747s-to-ship-graphics-cards/
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SinineSiil posted:http://www.pcgamer.com/cryptocurrency-miners-are-renting-boeing-747s-to-ship-graphics-cards/ 
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I'm going to guess thats a gross exaggeration and they are just shipping via the storage hold like normal rather than chartering a loving 747 and filling the chairs with gpus but ... who knows...
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1gnoirents posted:I'm going to guess thats a gross exaggeration and they are just shipping via the storage hold like normal rather than chartering a loving 747 and filling the chairs with gpus but ... who knows... Aren't there cargo 747's? Imagine filling a whole cargo plane with gpu's.
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SinineSiil posted:Aren't there cargo 747's? every 747 is a cargo plane, Boeing didn't know if the passenger market would take off for the 747 so they designed it to be a back up cargo plane.
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SinineSiil posted:Aren't there cargo 747's? Yes, that's what this would be. And much like any other form of transport, you generally can charter one if you are willing to pay enough. It also sounds like they're not just shipping around GPUs, but entire industrial-sized setups. Still a hilarious expense, but if you're potentially dropping hundreds of thousands (millions?) into the game...
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SinineSiil posted:Aren't there cargo 747's? I was curious, turns out a 747 can fit around 80,000 GPUs (using dimentions of the rather large Asus STRIX box). If they were 1080 Tis powered up they would use around 20 megawatts. If you attach a shaft and generator to a couple of those engines you could have a nice flying mining rig. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Never underestimate the hashing power of a 747 full of Radeons
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The airplane is stifling hot but the tradeoff is that the passengers and crew get burritos rather than a bag with four pretzels in it.
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MaxxBot posted:The airplane is stifling hot but the tradeoff is that the passengers and crew get burritos rather than a bag with four pretzels in it. There's potential for truly fab air cooling with the right set of apertures fore and aft. Has anyone else noticed a ton of 1080tis selling for like 10% their value on ebay within 12 hrs? Happened a few days ago on uk ebay. Has to be money laundering, right? Wonder why that was so transparent Surprise Giraffe fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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MaxxBot posted:If you attach a shaft and generator to a couple of those engines you could have a nice flying mining rig. They already do. Almost all jet engines have some sort of electrical generator strapped to them. The IDG's on a 747 can put out something like 90kA. Each.
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DrDork posted:They already do. Almost all jet engines have some sort of electrical generator strapped to them. The IDG's on a 747 can put out something like 90kA. Each. Quick google suggests the 777's IDG puts out 120 kVA so you could probably run a thousand undervolted RX 480s on one.
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so anybody wanna start a pool to buy a SH/SC mining jet ? Invest early and you get a percentage of everybody who invests later on I promise
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1gnoirents posted:so anybody wanna start a pool to buy a SH/SC mining jet ? Invest early and you get a percentage of everybody who invests later on I promise Remember, you don't have to pay taxes if you mine in international airspace.
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