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JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

I have to say that as a grandchild of German immigrants this whole Wog/Jerry/Balt hunt is starting to give me chills down my spine. Especially given this nation's bad habit of mass internment for undesirable ethnic groups.

This is an extremely sensationalised depiction of what's going on.

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birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay
Can't wait for the Hun / ACA investigations of Promaja Gang, a loosely organised group of vaguely-slavic looking youth who strike terror into Anglo hearts by opening their windows.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

^^^^This in particular gave me chills. A loving list of prominent people and their backgrounds.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
It's an accidental situation caused by a loving stupid bit of the constitution and it's affecting cunts like Abetz. It is hardly chilling.

Edit: also half of them are bloody British

MonoAus
Nov 5, 2012

Futuresight posted:

And excluding people of Hungarian descent forever because there's no limit on how far back your ancestor can be before you can no longer use them to get citizenship.

Not that this actually matters or anything but-

That's not the impression I got when I looked in to this. It was something like you had to be the child or grandchild of someone who was a citizen between certain dates and be able to demonstrate your Hungarianess by taking a few tests in Magyarul. There were a number of other specific limitations too. The idea being to bring back previously displaced people of Hungarian descent in to the country but not necessarily give it out to everybody.

Admittedly it's been a while since I read up about it though so I could be wrong.

MonoAus fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Jul 28, 2017

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
I can understand it, stupid consitution or not it's still the whole country trying to figure out who's a dirty bloody foreigner and who's a ~*~ true blue Aussie bloke/Sheila~*~

Anyway I'm pretty sure Poland also goes by jus sanguinis so that dude with the Polish dad might be hosed if he didn't revoke.

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

Don Dongington posted:

Or respect for the electorate,

Not surprising for a party out of touch with ordinary Australians :smug:

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

JBP posted:

It's an accidental situation caused by a loving stupid bit of the constitution and it's affecting cunts like Abetz. It is hardly chilling.

Edit: also half of them are bloody British


HookShot posted:

I can understand it, stupid consitution or not it's still the whole country trying to figure out who's a dirty bloody foreigner and who's a ~*~ true blue Aussie bloke/Sheila~*~

Yeah it's this. I'm never going to be comfortable with The Australian speculating on people's backgrounds regardless of where they're from or how much of a oval office they are.

e. Don't get me wrong, the fact this is causing a constitutional crisis is funny as gently caress though

NoNotTheMindProbe fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Jul 28, 2017

Periphery
Jul 27, 2003
...
This whole situation could have been avoided if we just put all our politicians through an industrial shredder.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Yeah it's this. I'm never going to be comfortable with The Australian speculating on people's backgrounds regardless of where they're from or how much of a oval office they are.

e. Don't get me wrong, the fact this is causing a constitutional crisis is funny as gently caress though

Nah I get you on that front.

Periphery posted:

This whole situation could have been avoided if we just put all our politicians through an industrial shredder.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Its funny that the most racist party of them all got caught up up in this.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

We've devolved so far that now our politicians are incompetent to even stand as members let alone do anything constructive with their membership.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
You're a dual citizen. No you're a dual citizen.


What was the government talking about before this? The answer of course is Tony Abbott.

Before that: I can't remember.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Banks is in the clear.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
How do I become a citizen of dual anyway?

(This one is for avid hun comments readers)

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Birds telling me Feds running study about burning landfill to produce electricity.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Anidav posted:

Birds telling me Feds running study about burning landfill to produce electricity.

Start with Bernardi.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Anidav posted:

Birds telling me Feds running study about burning landfill to produce electricity.

Headline: Brisbane man dies in landfill fire. Suspicious number of birds and rats found at scene.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

This is so loving ridiculous. If pollies from the major parties end up wriggling out of this somehow, Waters and Ludlam should be reinstated.

MonoAus posted:

Not that this actually matters or anything but-

That's not the impression I got when I looked in to this. It was something like you had to be the child or grandchild of someone who was a citizen between certain dates and be able to demonstrate your Hungarianess by taking a few tests in Magyarul. There were a number of other specific limitations too. The idea being to bring back previously displaced people of Hungarian descent in to the country but not necessarily give it out to everybody.

Admittedly it's been a while since I read up about it though so I could be wrong.

Citizenship laws are always hazy, it's worth chasing them up. It took me like two years to gradually gather all the documentation I needed to get Irish citizenship, with conflicting information from different consulates, but now I've got an EU passport for life... although frankly having now lived in Europe I'd take the Australian citizenship any day if I had to pick.

Anyway, for those of us with useful ancestry who aren't planning on running for government: https://thebillfold.com/how-to-get-eu-citizenship-country-by-country-ed6694f6111a

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Anidav posted:

Birds telling me Feds running study about burning landfill to produce electricity.

I know a hill in Canberra you can start on.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Anidav posted:

Birds telling me Feds running study about burning landfill to produce electricity.

finally, a use for your posts

Futuresight
Oct 11, 2012

IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!

freebooter posted:

although frankly having now lived in Europe I'd take the Australian citizenship any day if I had to

Why is this? If you don't mind of course.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/dtsmith_sydney/status/890798955134541825

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

Malaysia is a part of China

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Anidav posted:

Malaysia is a part of China

Nine dash line fuckers.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Futuresight posted:

Why is this? If you don't mind of course.

Well, OK, I actually only lived in London (this was 2014/15 btw), where I felt like my face was being shoved into the grindstone of capitalism every single day. I felt like I was barely staying afloat and every other millenial I talked to talked about when they were leaving London, not if they were leaving London. Things are certainly better in the rest of the UK, or in Germany, or Sweden, or almost anywhere else in Western Europe.

But - and this is just a layman's observations, not anything scientific - I felt like Australia is a country with a future whereas the UK is in decline. And a lot of little things I learned about made me much prouder of Australia. Oldest labour movement, we invented the the minimum wage and the living wage, and we are the only place in the English-speaking world with penalty rates (I'm not sure about Germany, Sweden etc.) It was very telling when I told people in London where I was from and literally more than half of them responded, in surprise, "Why did you move here?" A lot of Australians (like me, in the past) still have this idea that the UK is where you go because it's the centre of civilisation. In the meantime all the young English people have come to see Australia as the land of milk and honey.

Australia has this idea of itself as being really egalitarian, which it clearly isn't, but it really is compared to other countries. I'd been working for the BBC for years already in Australia but it took moving there to really, actually realise how much class consciousness infects every little bit of life (much like how despite being raised on American TV, I didn't understand how much racism against black people animates every facet of American life until I went there.) Australia is far from perfect but it's one of the best societies the human race has come up with - economically speaking, anyway... I dunno about the racism. The UK is also very racist but in a different and probably less bad way?

Economic stuff aside, I appreciate the open space of Australia. I grew up in WA going camping and doing outdoorsy stuff all the time. In London the best I could do was getting a $50 train ride to a forest for a daytrip and wandering around bumping into heaps of other walkers and ramblers. Living in the East End, taking the tube every day, I seriously felt like I was suffocating sometimes, it was a bad time in my life. Now I live in Melbourne and never really leave the city either, but I know that open space is there if I need it, and living in a city of 5 million is way more breathable than a city of 20 million. I know that sounds loving stupid but it really did affect me in London - that mental knowledge that even if I got out of the city I was still in a country as densely populated as Bangladesh, I was never really going to be out of sight of another human being. It was stifling, it was claustrophobic.

Anyway that's my pinch-of-salt analysis from a year of living in London (which I know can't be equated to Europe as a whole; but I do feel confident in saying that, for example, the UK is a more dysfunctional country than Australia). I am still super grateful for my European citizenship and I know the standard Auspol thread consensus is that Australia is a cesspit of racist neoliberalism, but these days - as much as I will never hesitate to criticise this country for its myriad failings - I am very, very glad I was born here. If I could magically pick a country for my child to be raised in the coming 21st century of global warming and the decline of civilisation, I don't think I'd choose anywhere other than Canada, Australia, New Zealand or Scandinavia. And if I had to choose between my Australian passport and my European passport I'd throw the European passport in the furnace without a second thought.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Nice meltdown

Nah nice post. The grindstone of capitalism resonated with me as some of my most money hungry mates came home from their London finance journey wanting nothing more than a decent living and to watch football. The reality of being at the absolute peak of wealth (without doing some kind of work) is that 99/100 times you are a lunatic.

JBP fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Jul 28, 2017

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

JBP posted:

Nice meltdown

Nah nice post. The grindstone of capitalism resonated with me as some of my most money hungry mates came home from their London finance journey wanting nothing more than a decent living and to watch football. The reality of being at the absolute peak of wealth (without doing some kind of work) is that 99/100 times you are a lunatic.

Haha, that sounds like your mates were working in the City? I meant the grindstone of capitalism in the sense that I first knew what it meant to be poor (I thought I had in Australia, but I hadn't really). It was particularly telling for me because I was doing the exact same job for the exact same company but I was earning so much less and everything cost so much more, and I was living paycheque to paycheque and having serious financial stress for the first time in my life. And that was as someone with a middle class office job, so gently caress knows what it's like for the poor sods working in pubs or whatever. I used to see the African cleaners going to work on the 5am bus and think, what the gently caress are you doing here?! You can be a cleaner literally anywhere, get out of this awful gouging city!

That's what made me appreciate Australia's workers' rights and penalty rates. And that's what makes my heart swell with pride when I see the majority of Australians, even Lib voters, say they think penalty rates are good and proper.

My serious advice to any young Aussies who want to go live in the UK is to not live in London. I have friends who lived in Glasgow, Manchester, and Bristol and they all had a much better time than me. I wanted to go to London because I grew up in the suburbs of Perth and still had this subconscious idea that I wanted to go live in a "real city" - but of course the dream of living in London/New York/Paris is always better than the crushing miserable capitalist reality.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/mathaiaus/status/890844749766172673

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Nine dash line fuckers.

11 dash line

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
nine dash line looks like a penis hehe.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
The Living Soul

One Nation's Malcolm Roberts will almost certainly be referred to the High Court in a challenge to his eligibility that could pave the way for Pauline Hanson's sister to replace him in the Senate.

The Turnbull government is considering asking the High Court to examine unanswered questions around Senator Roberts' UK citizenship, unless he provides further evidence he properly renounced before nominating as a candidate last June. Labor, the Greens and Nick Xenophon Team have all indicated they will support such a motion in the Senate.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Malcolm was seriously wounded, but the living soul still burns.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

I have to say that as a grandchild of German immigrants this whole Wog/Jerry/Balt hunt is starting to give me chills down my spine. Especially given this nation's bad habit of mass internment for undesirable ethnic groups.

It's some dumb parliamentary procedures that are out politicking the politicians. It's not like this whole thing is happening on a wave of popular nationalism.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Tokamak posted:

It's some dumb parliamentary procedures that are out politicking the politicians. It's not like this whole thing is happening on a wave of popular nationalism.

I mean it is, it's just the wave of popular nationalism happened over a century ago.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

I mean it is, it's just the wave of popular nationalism happened over a century ago.

[citation needed]

thatbastardken
Apr 23, 2010

A contract signed by a minor is not binding!
It appears shorten has checked his notes.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Birdstrike posted:

[citation needed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Australia :shrug:

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

I was somewhat uncharitable towards you because I thought you were echoing freebooter's idea that there's a racial aspect to 44(i).

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Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Birdstrike posted:

I was somewhat uncharitable towards you because I thought you were echoing freebooter's idea that there's a racial aspect to 44(i).

There was, Britain wasn't a foreign power when it was written

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