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| The Big3 Tourney |
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67 | 22.41% |
| Will Lakers draft Ball |
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40 | 13.38% |
| Where will the Pauls go |
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54 | 18.06% |
| Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ?? |
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41 | 13.71% |
| Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking |
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97 | 32.44% |
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straight up brolic posted:He's better at other poo poo. .94PPP when he's dramatically better in other areas. Better as a bailout play for him than ISO though! Isn't ISO being the worst option almost a universal truth?
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Jul 28, 2017 15:39
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straight up brolic posted:He's better at other poo poo. .94PPP when he's dramatically better in other areas. Better as a bailout play for him than ISO though! I mean, that's not really how anything works. You don't just decide what you want to do at the beginning of every basketball play. Things have to develop, matchups happen.
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Jul 28, 2017 15:39
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IcePhoenix posted:Isn't ISO being the worst option almost a universal truth? The only time I'm ok with it (in a strategical sense) is when there isn't enough time on the shot clock to run an actual play and several of its options.
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Jul 28, 2017 15:40
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IcePhoenix posted:Isn't ISO being the worst option almost a universal truth?
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Jul 28, 2017 15:42
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Paul Zuvella posted:I mean, that's not really how anything works. You don't just decide what you want to do at the beginning of every basketball play. Things have to develop, matchups happen.
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Jul 28, 2017 15:45
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Chris Paul getting a ring would be the only good part of a Rockets championship this season for me. Chandler got one with Dallas, West got his with GSW, and now just Paul needs one and then the core of the Crescent City Connection-era Hornets will all have the rings they so-well deserve. I want his baby face to smile for basketball reasons just one last time.
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Jul 28, 2017 15:48
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You guys talking about Post ups are missing a big point: Detroit didn't have a starting PG. This is what happens. Teams don't start the play saying "We're going to pass the ball around for a while and then dump it to Drummond in the post". They try to find better offense first. Post-ups have value because you can create some (usually mediocre or below) offense even if the defense has not been beaten at all. If defense is covering a P&R properly you have to go to something else. This is a smart board, but people think running plays in the NBA is like a JRPG where you have a selection like Catch-and-Shoot Open 3 Pick and Roll >Post-Up ISO Item Run Away but really most of the time plays like Post ups (unless there is a perceived mismatch) or ISO are run when other, better plays aren't working. Frequently lots of Post play is the result of bad offense, not the cause of bad offense. straight up brolic posted:The Rockets literally only post people up on 2% of their basketball plays, while the Grizzlies post up on 12% of their plays. You can definitely decide what you want to do before a game even starts. Regardless of matchups. It's a lovely play. Rockets have players that are a lot better at finding offense than the Grizzlies are.
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Jul 28, 2017 15:49
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Mike Conley is pretty loving good creator, James Harden is better. Outside of those players neither team had a secondary creator for the majority of the season. (until Lou Will). Beverley is an average distributor. It's a deliberate strategy. To act like every post up is a gently caress up is to play the fool.
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Jul 28, 2017 15:53
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Lockback posted:but really most of the time plays like ISO are run when Carmelo Anthony is on your team.
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Jul 28, 2017 15:56
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IcePhoenix posted:Isn't ISO being the worst option almost a universal truth? Yes but there's some selective sample bias happening here since isos are rarely called and almost all the ones you see are after a busted play or against the shoot clock or a ballhandler hotdogging for reasons known only to him. If you could just measure the efficiency on called isos they would probably look like a better option, but probably not by much but who knows.
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Jul 28, 2017 15:58
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Kibner posted:No, they are good if you have the footwork, the balance, and the shotmaking ability to draw a double or help and then have the vision, passing ability, and recognition to make a good pass to another player that can shoot and/or has good recognition of when to cut and can finish as well as making a pass to the next open man who can do the same. Oh, and you also need players and coaches willing to have productive movement off-ball while the post-up is going on in an effort to create even better openings. Footwork and balance are one in the same in postups and the rest is only needed if want to be the number 1 or 2 option by posting up. Also players and coaches should always be willing to move off ball
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Jul 28, 2017 16:02
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straight up brolic posted:Mike Conley is pretty loving good creator, James Harden is better. Outside of those players neither team had a secondary creator for the majority of the season. (until Lou Will). Beverley is an average distributor. The Rockets have many, many better offensive options than the Grizzlies do, are you saying the PG is the only thing that matters? You are way more likely to play catch and shoot with Ryan Anderson, Ariza and Gorden as your 4-3-2 than Randolph, Green and Tony Allen. If you were to switch their personnel but keep the same coaching staff you'd see a lot more postups from the Rockets too. I promise you the coaches and front office are aware of Points-Per-Possession and what it means. Its a combination of strategy and people for sure, but it's way more about what offense you have available.
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Jul 28, 2017 16:09
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Metapod posted:Footwork and balance are one in the same in postups and the rest is only needed if want to be the number 1 or 2 option by posting up. Also players and coaches should always be willing to move off ball They always "want" to and say they are going to and plan and scheme to, but they often don't demonstrate the "will" to do so in games and instead stand still and rest or set pointless screens or make other half-hearted movements in order to conserve energy.
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Jul 28, 2017 16:09
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The thing about posting up is not that it's bad, it's good, it's that it has a very high learning curve and a lot of bad post up players posted up because that is what people believed what bigs should do so the perception of the post up is negative. Someone who actually knows what they are doing in the post is going to produce a good shot in the post most of the time
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Jul 28, 2017 16:11
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dokmo posted:Yes but there's some selective sample bias happening here since isos are rarely called and almost all the ones you see are after a busted play or against the shoot clock or a ballhandler hotdogging for reasons known only to him. If you could just measure the efficiency on called isos they would probably look like a better option, but probably not by much but who knows. Can you tell me the ppp of Andrew Wiggins ISOs in the 4th quarter of a close game? Because almost all of those were called and it felt like he failed way more than he succeeded.
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Jul 28, 2017 16:11
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dokmo posted:Yes but there's some selective sample bias happening here since isos are rarely called and almost all the ones you see are after a busted play or against the shoot clock or a ballhandler hotdogging for reasons known only to him. If you could just measure the efficiency on called isos they would probably look like a better option, but probably not by much but who knows. Couldn't the same be said for post ups too? It feels like I see plenty of teams just dump it into the post once their perimeter stuff breaks down.
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Jul 28, 2017 16:12
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Kibner posted:They always "want" to and say they are going to and plan and scheme to, but they often don't demonstrate the "will" to do so in games and instead stand still and rest or set pointless screens or make other half-hearted movements in order to conserve energy. That's a whole other issue though that deals with players not being taught the game before college
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Jul 28, 2017 16:12
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dokmo posted:Yes but there's some selective sample bias happening here since isos are rarely called and almost all the ones you see are after a busted play or against the shoot clock or a ballhandler hotdogging for reasons known only to him. If you could just measure the efficiency on called isos they would probably look like a better option, but probably not by much but who knows. The scott brooks end of game play is the most efficient play in sports
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Jul 28, 2017 16:13
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Metapod posted:The thing about posting up is not that it's bad, it's good, it's that it has a very high learning curve and a lot of bad post up players posted up because that is what people believed what bigs should do so the perception of the post up is negative. Someone who actually knows what they are doing in the post is going to produce a good shot in the post most of the time Attempting to score from posting up is bad unless you can get a mismatch or a really bad post defender on you with no one able to help. It's why guards have become some of the "better' post up players. Other guards don't have the experience defending against them and there are usually stretch bigs on the court and the defending bigs can't run that far that fast to help out the guard getting beat up.
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Jul 28, 2017 16:17
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[Wolfson] The #Twolves have made the Cavs an official offer for Kyrie Irving, per @wojespn. So have 5 other teams [Spurs, Clippers, Suns, Knicks, Heat]. No, I don't know the specifics yet. https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/890915805877108736
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Jul 28, 2017 16:17
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IcePhoenix posted:Can you tell me the ppp of Andrew Wiggins ISOs in the 4th quarter of a close game? Because almost all of those were called and it felt like he failed way more than he succeeded. Don't have combined stats but he has an offensive rating of 97.6 in clutch situations and 0.74 PPP on isos overall so I'm assuming bad
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Jul 28, 2017 16:18
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Salvor_Hardin posted:LBJ's greatest weapon was in front of him, why would you want him backing down? lol. I saw this and liked it, don't you think for one second that nobody understands you - I do.
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Jul 28, 2017 16:19
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Kyrie is a monster http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/07/28/537907951/the-ongoing-battle-between-science-teachers-and-fake-news quote:Gurol says his students got the idea of a flat planet from basketball star Kyrie Irving, who said as much on a podcast.
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Jul 28, 2017 16:20
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Kibner posted:Attempting to score from posting up is bad unless you can get a mismatch or a really bad post defender on you with no one able to help. It's why guards have become some of the "better' post up players. Other guards don't have the experience defending against them and there are usually stretch bigs on the court and the defending bigs can't run that far that fast to help out the guard getting beat up. I mean we are looking at league averages of PPP. Bigs enter the NBA with a steeper learning curve than guards because, like you said, you can't bully people in the NBA like you can in college or AAU. They get met with a sea of hands every time they go up or get the ball easily stripped or knocked away. Guards are becoming the better post up players because, again like you said, they rely on mismatches or bad post defense in order to score. It doesn't mean the post up is a bad shot. You're closer to the basket and it sucks perimeter defenders in thus opening up the best shot in basketball, the three pointer. Yes you need a passing big and off the ball movement, but this is the NBA we're talking about. Passing bigs do rise to the top and we have a ton of them in the NBA. Off the ball movement won the last NBA championship. Post ups are good.
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Jul 28, 2017 16:32
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Most importantly, a varied offense is important. If you can score several ways, your going to be more efficient.
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Jul 28, 2017 16:36
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WhyteRyce posted:Kyrie is a monster lmao Someone needs to tell Kyrie about time cube.
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Jul 28, 2017 16:39
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straight up brolic posted:There are only 15 everyday players in the NBA that are good enough at post ups to be allowed to do them: Marcus Smart being an elite post player is something I still can't wrap my head around but it's really fun/funny to watch
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Jul 28, 2017 16:39
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Kibner posted:Attempting to score from posting up is bad unless you can get a mismatch or a really bad post defender on you with no one able to help. It's why guards have become some of the "better' post up players. Other guards don't have the experience defending against them and there are usually stretch bigs on the court and the defending bigs can't run that far that fast to help out the guard getting beat up. Yes scoring the post is hard which is I said it has a high learning curve but that doesn't take away from those who can do it. A few examples: Marc Gasol shooting a hookshot is a good shot, dirks fadeaway is a good shot, Anthony Davis driving to the baske from the post is a good shot. Players like Drummond or Howard shouldn't shoot from the post because they are bad at it. Trying to score from the post as a bad or mediocre post player is a bad idea
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Jul 28, 2017 16:41
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WhyteRyce posted:[Wolfson] The #Twolves have made the Cavs an official offer for Kyrie Irving, per @wojespn. So have 5 other teams [Spurs, Clippers, Suns, Knicks, Heat]. No, I don't know the specifics yet. how do the wolves have any cap space left?
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Jul 28, 2017 16:43
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:how do the wolves have any cap space left? They don't. But if salaries match you don't need cap space http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yblxuuhz
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Jul 28, 2017 16:46
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quote:Pelinka, without pause, decides comparing the Lakers development to that of Taylor Swift was the best way to characterize the young core. Russell is Joe Jonas. Lavar Ball might be John Meyer pretty soon
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Jul 28, 2017 16:51
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WhyteRyce posted:Russell is Joe Jonas. Lavar Ball might be John Meyer pretty soon 🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍
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Jul 28, 2017 16:52
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WhyteRyce posted:Russell is Joe Jonas. Lavar Ball might be John Meyer pretty soon Who is Katy Perry in this scenario? The Celtics? Even though that's not really a rivalry right now.
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Jul 28, 2017 16:55
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You still have to let your starting center shoot 10 times or so That's going to be some post ups for most guys.
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Jul 28, 2017 16:56
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I'm excited to see if the Pelicans actually do run giant pick and rolls with Davis and Cousins
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Jul 28, 2017 17:00
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There should be space as both guys can shoot threes
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Jul 28, 2017 17:03
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euphronius posted:There should be space as both guys can shoot threes Well Boogie can anyways, AD's not quite there yet
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Jul 28, 2017 17:06
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MalarkeyToboggan posted:Who is Katy Perry in this scenario? The Celtics? Even though that's not really a rivalry right now. hmm, let me rethink. Jeanie Buss/Kupchak: Joe Jonas DeAngelo Russell: John Meyer Katy Perry: De'Aaron Fox/his dad?? future Calvin Harris relationship: LeBron
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Jul 28, 2017 17:07
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Henchman of Santa posted:Thanks! I'll keep those in mind. It won't be basketball season when I'm there or I would totally try to go with the like, 2 out of 10 people on this trip who like the NBA. A good place to eat a million oysters while in NOLA is Cooter Browns.
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Jul 28, 2017 17:08
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Jul 28, 2017 17:22
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