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big black turnout
Jan 13, 2009



Fallen Rib

Johnny Five-Jaces posted:

yes the rocketchat is irredeemably bad, even the ones ostensibly just for nerd poo poo. maybe even especially those

do people actually use it? maybe im just in the wrong channels but nobody ever says poo poo

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fermun
Nov 4, 2009

big black turnout posted:

do people actually use it? maybe im just in the wrong channels but nobody ever says poo poo

People will talk in the #general, #random, and #twitter rooms, but not very much still.

fermun
Nov 4, 2009

Business Gorillas posted:

i'm not interested in regional organizers until i get specific information on how they plan on recruiting them

coastal chapters recruiting people and sending them into the midwest and south is... uhh... not gonna go over well

imo, first we radicalize the juggalos and then we recruit from there

Thaddius the Large
Jul 5, 2006

It's in the five-hole!

fermun posted:

imo, first we radicalize the juggalos and then we recruit from there

Just have to learn their language and convert it to our own. loving magnates, how do they work?

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006

Thaddius the Large posted:

Just have to learn their language and convert it to our own. loving magnates, why don't they work?

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


fermun posted:

imo, first we radicalize the juggalos and then we recruit from there

platform idea: red faygo only

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

can someone tell me what the difference between praxis and momentum is besides momentum's call for a national single payer campaign and praxis's call for police/jail reform

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

Zikan posted:

can someone tell me what the difference between praxis and momentum is besides momentum's call for a national single payer campaign and praxis's call for police/jail reform

There's a lot of overlap--both want to leave the Socialist International, support BDS, enact (optional) monthly dues to pay for national organizers, and break with the Harringtonite old guard in favor of more open Marxism. So it's largely a question of different emphasis.

Momentum comes out of Jacobin/left caucus, which back in 2010 was truly on the left of DSA but now seems to represent the center thanks to a general radical shift. One of their focuses is on internal constitutional reforms like eliminating honorary chairs, expanding the NPC, and making the org more transparent and democratic for all members (they are behind the Spring Platform).

Praxis focuses on base-building, as in growing a mass party of formerly apolitical people through tenants' unions, worker centers, free breakfast programs, free English classes for immigrants, etc. Praxis is somewhat less interested in immediately running candidates and a bit more openly anti-imperialist than Momentum.

I'm going mostly from memory and subjective impressions here so correct me if I misrepresented/missed something big. Personally I like them both and will probably vote for some combination of the two.

platzapS has issued a correction as of 19:10 on Jul 28, 2017

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Is there a posadist slate running because I can get behind that

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

Is there a posadist slate running because I can get behind that

Yes.

Baby Babbeh
Aug 2, 2005

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you work with Turkeys!!



They're not only running, they've already experienced a schism and formed a magazine.

wedgie deliverer
Oct 2, 2010

re: geographic representation

I'm from a big city chapter, and I want to support having people from rural/smaller chapters involved in major decision making, because I believe that organizing in those regions will be critical, and that they are more likely to understand their own needs and goals than people from the coasts and cities.

The posadists are good.

SomeMathGuy
Oct 4, 2014

The people were ASTONISHED at his doctrine.

I'm firmly convinced the Posadist caucus is the way to Actually Existing Nuclear Cetacean Space Communism.

Baby Babbeh posted:

They're not only running, they've already experienced a schism and formed a magazine.

They also nominated an extremely good dog for NPC.

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010
RC's been a lot more active today. It's a good time to get on it with teh convention coming up. If people get on now we will probably get a critical mass such that we can sustain it.

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010
re: momentum - their overwhelmingly coastal nature makes gives me no faith in their ability to help grow the locals outside of NYC, Boston, ETC. They even lost their only poc and chicago and midwestern delegate recently.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Impermanent posted:

re: momentum - their overwhelmingly coastal nature makes gives me no faith in their ability to help grow the locals outside of NYC, Boston, ETC. They even lost their only poc and chicago and midwestern delegate recently.

isn't Gong PoC or do Asians not count

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010

Shear Modulus posted:

isn't Gong PoC or do Asians not count

ah you know what I didn't know gong was on there. that's my b.

fuck. marry. t-rex
Jan 23, 2014

Lipstick Apathy
im southern as hell and the east bay DSA and my experiences therein have been mostly good and honestly i think their firm organization structure techniques could really help in rural areas and to spread what is currently more anarchistic orgs like redneck revolt

fuck. marry. t-rex
Jan 23, 2014

Lipstick Apathy
i will say that over educated tech people are rear end though- please stop trying to seize leadership and figurehead roles

also praxis platform ftw

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

only place I've seen some sort of poll on this

https://twitter.com/LasVegasDSA/status/890619141593350145

SomeMathGuy
Oct 4, 2014

The people were ASTONISHED at his doctrine.


Unity's not so much a slate as a series of vague statements. Also in practice (tweets and such) they seem to be the Harringtonite front.

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


someone should tweet "goku" in response to that

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

all hail the holy march on washington

hail



Zikan posted:

can someone tell me what the difference between praxis and momentum is besides momentum's call for a national single payer campaign and praxis's call for police/jail reform

momentum are in favor of giving more power to National, the march on washington, and switching to monthly dues. and they have larry website.


fellow delegates, remember that you dont have to vote a slate! also please please read all the proposals. even the most innocuous ones might have stuff in there that you wouldn't expect.

ChickenOfTomorrow has issued a correction as of 19:56 on Jul 29, 2017

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

oh they're the guys who keep insisiting on a march on dc even tho our dc local has told them repeatedly why it's stupid

thankfully one of delegates is whipping votes against such a dumb idea and apparently is going to do her best to shut it down

https://twitter.com/peg_mclaugh/status/889924519925878785

https://twitter.com/peg_mclaugh/status/890956476235358208

https://twitter.com/peg_mclaugh/status/890956954109177856

https://twitter.com/peg_mclaugh/status/890957175069257729

https://twitter.com/peg_mclaugh/status/890959015676694533

SomeMathGuy
Oct 4, 2014

The people were ASTONISHED at his doctrine.

I had heard the march proper was dropped, but who the gently caress even knows any more? I hope it dies on the floor if it hasn't been.

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

midge is good and i support her

an actual dog
Nov 18, 2014

SomeMathGuy posted:

I had heard the march proper was dropped, but who the gently caress even knows any more? I hope it dies on the floor if it hasn't been.

This is last I heard. It's in the process of being dropped:

https://mobile.twitter.com/spring_platform/status/889643688707665920

wedgie deliverer
Oct 2, 2010

DC Local represent - Midge owns (she's the chair of our steering committee), she's not afraid to put principle ahead of what's easy, and is hella good.

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

deadline for nominations for NPC has passed. tomorrow, it'll be time to check out the pack.

fermun
Nov 4, 2009
Just got home from a panel DSA SF had with Bay Resistance, SF Rising, ISO, and SF Berniecrats, plus there was a representative, Jovanka Beckles, from Richmond Progressive Alliance, a progressive coalition that was able to take control over a working class city here in the Bay Area. Plus there were some Socialist Alternative people that showed up as well as a few Marxists who were unaffiliated, and it was like... really good. Turnout was about 160 people, roughly 35 from DSA SF as best I could tell. Crazy turnout for a Friday evening Municipalism panel.


Our local's publication livetweeted it. It looks like they messed up and replied to an earlier tweet at some point creating two threads.

https://twitter.com/phoenix_sf/status/891108842179772416

https://twitter.com/phoenix_sf/status/891112967080628224

Video and audio exist somewhere as well but idk if they are online yet.


Judging by Twitter, everyone from all organizations there seem pretty excited about finding ways to work together. It was incredibly positive. We've got 5 more of these we are arranging, different topics and different orgs each time and with this one having gone so well I'm pumped about next month's.

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

thing

ChickenOfTomorrow has issued a correction as of 22:14 on Sep 28, 2021

fermun
Nov 4, 2009

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

Dang, wish i could have afforded the gas to go.

Final NPC candidate listing is up: https://dsaconvention.org/npc/

Maxine Phillips's decision to split her own vote by running as two candidates is a real power move, but it may prove disastrous for her chances.

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

it's a pity Danny Fetonte sniped her idea.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


fermun posted:

Just got home from a panel DSA SF had with Bay Resistance, SF Rising, ISO, and SF Berniecrats, plus there was a representative, Jovanka Beckles, from Richmond Progressive Alliance, a progressive coalition that was able to take control over a working class city here in the Bay Area. Plus there were some Socialist Alternative people that showed up as well as a few Marxists who were unaffiliated, and it was like... really good. Turnout was about 160 people, roughly 35 from DSA SF as best I could tell. Crazy turnout for a Friday evening Municipalism panel.


Our local's publication livetweeted it. It looks like they messed up and replied to an earlier tweet at some point creating two threads.

https://twitter.com/phoenix_sf/status/891108842179772416

https://twitter.com/phoenix_sf/status/891112967080628224

Video and audio exist somewhere as well but idk if they are online yet.


Judging by Twitter, everyone from all organizations there seem pretty excited about finding ways to work together. It was incredibly positive. We've got 5 more of these we are arranging, different topics and different orgs each time and with this one having gone so well I'm pumped about next month's.

Yeah, it was great, also then a bunch of people went to the armory for a magazine launch and drank and danced, and I made friends.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


that's why it's called "socializing"

woke kaczynski
Jan 23, 2015

How do you do, fellow antifa?



Fun Shoe

fermun posted:

Just got home from a panel DSA SF had with Bay Resistance, SF Rising, ISO, and SF Berniecrats, plus there was a representative, Jovanka Beckles, from Richmond Progressive Alliance, a progressive coalition that was able to take control over a working class city here in the Bay Area. Plus there were some Socialist Alternative people that showed up as well as a few Marxists who were unaffiliated, and it was like... really good. Turnout was about 160 people, roughly 35 from DSA SF as best I could tell. Crazy turnout for a Friday evening Municipalism panel.


Our local's publication livetweeted it. It looks like they messed up and replied to an earlier tweet at some point creating two threads.

https://twitter.com/phoenix_sf/status/891108842179772416

https://twitter.com/phoenix_sf/status/891112967080628224

Video and audio exist somewhere as well but idk if they are online yet.


Judging by Twitter, everyone from all organizations there seem pretty excited about finding ways to work together. It was incredibly positive. We've got 5 more of these we are arranging, different topics and different orgs each time and with this one having gone so well I'm pumped about next month's.

Yeah, I was there too and it was really exciting to see everyone genuinely figuring out how to work together. I wished we had more time to dive deeper into some things, which is always a good sign for a panel.

woke kaczynski has issued a correction as of 22:33 on Jul 29, 2017

Subjunctivitis
Oct 12, 2007
Causation or Correlation?
Yeahhhhhhh, abolish the police.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcHRWS06-c

big black turnout
Jan 13, 2009



Fallen Rib
today I learned there's a porn tag on tumblr for dime sized assholes

it confused me more than a little

surfacelevelspeck
Oct 1, 2008

communism's sleepiest soldier

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

it's a pity Danny Fetonte sniped her idea.

Lol he's the co-chair of my local. Did his name get put on there twice? Looks like the page got fixed already if so.

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an actual dog
Nov 18, 2014

big black turnout posted:

today I learned there's a porn tag on tumblr for dime sized assholes

it confused me more than a little

😮

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