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Ruzihm: Aug 11, 2010; Group up and push mid, proletariat!

Plutonis posted:

TFW I might become an impregnating bull for white women in the near future

this is the future leftists want

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Larry Parrish: Jul 9, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Children of Men continues to be a prophecy

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Autism Sneaks: Nov 21, 2016

I felt like a weirdo for keeping all my loads since I was 12 in jars; turns out I was saving the human race

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Darkman Fanpage: Jul 4, 2012

Autism Sneaks posted:

I felt like a weirdo for keeping all my loads since I was 12 in jars; turns out I was saving the human race

excellent name post combo

:perfect:

# ? Jul 26, 2017 17:11

Mia Wasikowska: Oct 7, 2006

Yeah, his "turning the frogs gay" thing is actually based on scientific truth about endocrine disruptors, and it's practically undisputed among scientists that they at least play a role in the lower sperm counts and decreased viability of sperm. But when he couches it in terms of frog sexuality and puts it between rants about Obama smelling like sulfur, he's probably hurting the cause more than raising awareness.

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Prav: Oct 29, 2011

dow chemical is stealing our cum

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SSJ_naruto_2003: Oct 12, 2012

Did someone call the :cumpolice:

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1994 Toyota Celica: Sep 11, 2008; by Nyc_Tattoo

Plutonis posted:

TFW I might become an impregnating bull for white women in the near future

The Handlad's Tale

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Fallen Hamprince: Nov 12, 2016

MizPiz posted:

Tfw you realize Alex Jones has a point.

tfw u learn that the sperm count drop is likely related to obesity

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Victory Position: Mar 16, 2004

Dreddout posted:

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Top City Homo: Oct 15, 2014; Ramrod XTreme

i like the new Wolfenstein

# ? Jul 28, 2017 03:22

MizPiz: May 29, 2013; by Athanatos

Jeb! Repetition posted:

I've been wondering, could big franchises like Wal-Mart and Burger King exist under socialism?

depends on the type of socialism, they wouldn't be recognizable as they are now most likely tho.

i've been re-reading this article from 2012 in the Jacobin which proposes a socialization of capital markets, and i think it's very interesting. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2012/12/the-red-and-the-black

this covers most of the "rules" of socialism, and I see it as completely viable in our life time (ie. something that could actually happen without a revolution). I think Breunig and his fellow travelers have proposed similar ideas to this. anywho, worth a read.

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Jeb! Repetition posted:

I've been wondering, could big franchises like Wal-Mart and Burger King exist under socialism?

I'd argue that some sort of collective-run franchise model would be essential to any socialist system apart from the most insanely automated and centralised. The only questionable part would be what a franchise would owe to the rest of the organisation for their branding/assistance.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 22:39

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

the iww-affiliated Incarcerated Workers Organizing Committee has a nice new website

they were, as i understand it, the primary engine of last september's prison strike

# ? Jul 28, 2017 23:09

Larry Parrish: Jul 9, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Jeb! Repetition posted:

I've been wondering, could big franchises like Wal-Mart and Burger King exist under socialism?

Probably but centralization at the level of those companies is difficult now, so organizing at a level where every worker has an equal voice and an equal share would take a while to work out in a useful way

# ? Jul 29, 2017 00:10

Larry Parrish: Jul 9, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Wal-mart specifically would probably just collapse but I could see Target working it out. They have roughly the same insanely exploitative business model but Target at least loves to internally promote as much as they can.

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Jewel Repetition: Dec 24, 2012; Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Darn I was hoping franchise fees would be considered rent-seeking and we'd go back to local businesses.

# ? Jul 29, 2017 00:15

SomeMathGuy: Oct 4, 2014; The people were ASTONISHED at his doctrine.

I don't see how the modern concept of a franchise survives at all without a value-form beyond just, like, being different styles of hamburgers or whatever. Certainly any conceivable rationale behind competing retailers dies out - it's not like Wal-Labor-Mart is going to be offering you a lower number of labor vouchers per chair than Labor-Target if the dictatorship of the proletariat says "hey we figured out it takes an average of 14 labor dollars to make this chair." And what benefit does branding have when you're competing with literally yourselves? "Come on down to Labor-Ace, the helpful place, where due to contented employees no longer alienated from their labor at all stores in the world we are indistinguishable in terms of helpfulness from Home Labor-Depot, and indeed some of our employees really enjoy working hardware stores so they work there half the time. We offer wrenches for the same number of labor vouchers as everyone else does."

# ? Jul 29, 2017 00:35

Serf: May 5, 2011

Karl Barks posted:

depends on the type of socialism, they wouldn't be recognizable as they are now most likely tho.

i've been re-reading this article from 2012 in the Jacobin which proposes a socialization of capital markets, and i think it's very interesting. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2012/12/the-red-and-the-black

this covers most of the "rules" of socialism, and I see it as completely viable in our life time (ie. something that could actually happen without a revolution). I think Breunig and his fellow travelers have proposed similar ideas to this. anywho, worth a read.

i got about five paragraphs into this, and while i can understand it, this poo poo is seriously tiresome to read. there needs to be a jacobin for rednecks or something that just talks to you straight. like there's cool stuff in here but i can't imagine sending this to friends of mine to read

# ? Jul 29, 2017 00:55

rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

Jeb! Repetition posted:

I've been wondering, could big franchises like Wal-Mart and Burger King exist under socialism?

Why is it important that 'franchises' exist though? What unique customer feature are they giving that is intrinsic to the 'franchise' model? The reason franchises are as successful as they are, is that it offloads responsibility of local management and the costs of store 'discovery', unto a set of minor-capitalists, in exchange for them getting to use the brand and highly centralized distribution system of the franchise itself. None of that makes sense outside of capitalist ownership.

Now, having a set of stores with a common brand, which is psychologically linked to a common inventory and service expectations and so on - that does work outside capitalism, because we're only talking about the experience of the consumer. But that's not inherent to the franchise model.

# ? Jul 29, 2017 03:04

Junkiebev: Jan 18, 2002; Feel the progress.

safely sodomized posted:

some twitter dude who got mad at me because i said blue state secession was stupid and cruel

gotta Starve Those Bumpkins Woke, yo

# ? Jul 29, 2017 04:16

theflyingexecutive: Apr 22, 2007

GalacticAcid posted:

the iww-affiliated Incarcerated Workers Organizing Committee has a nice new website

they were, as i understand it, the primary engine of last september's prison strike

quoting so I can find it again

# ? Jul 29, 2017 04:27

Fuligin: Oct 27, 2010; wait what the fuck??

Karl Barks posted:

depends on the type of socialism, they wouldn't be recognizable as they are now most likely tho.

i've been re-reading this article from 2012 in the Jacobin which proposes a socialization of capital markets, and i think it's very interesting. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2012/12/the-red-and-the-black

this covers most of the "rules" of socialism, and I see it as completely viable in our life time (ie. something that could actually happen without a revolution). I think Breunig and his fellow travelers have proposed similar ideas to this. anywho, worth a read.

I like this piece a lot. i study the soviet union and have spent a lot of time trying to figure out in my mind how a future socialism would actually be practiced, given that our primary precedent in soviet central-planning was such a failure. I think ackerman is correct that competitive markets need to be preserved in some form, it's the rigged allocation of capital/financial assets that needs to be abolished

# ? Jul 29, 2017 04:39

Dreddout: Oct 1, 2015; You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Fuligin posted:

have spent a lot of time trying to figure out in my mind how a future socialism would actually be practiced

Screaming_LeftComs.jpg

# ? Jul 29, 2017 04:55

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

the primary appeal of a franchise is that it offers the possibility of a consistent experience wherever you are. the Arby's in Arkansas has food with the same qualities as an Arby's in New York. this is realized through shared information, capital, and methods between franchises to maintain consistency.

the most important thing though, is that in order to profit from this arrangement, the experience itself must be commodified, and for Arby's dining to be a commodity their equipment, methods, and knowledge must all be proprietary.

in communism or socialism, where all such capital goods are now public and not private goods, the point of a franchise disintegrates. anybody could set up their own "Arby's" style sandwich restaurant, but not have to pay tribute to any private organization to meet consistency standards, because the very idea of an "Arby's" is now a public good. franchises will cease to be "franchised" and simply become styles of goods.

# ? Jul 29, 2017 04:58

theflyingexecutive: Apr 22, 2007

nah there's nothing a franchise could do that a 501c6 couldn't do. it's a system designed with these particulars in mind:
1. shields you from providing large business benefits and job mobility by insulating your corporate arm from the service arm
2. inflates numbers of "small businesses" to take advantage of and allow you to lobby for tax loopholes and incentives
3. protects corporate reputation by allowing you to pass blame onto franchise owners for scandals

# ? Jul 29, 2017 05:26

SomeMathGuy: Oct 4, 2014; The people were ASTONISHED at his doctrine.

Dreddout posted:

Screaming_LeftComs.jpg

To be fair to those screaming LeftComs, attempting to map out a material progression in a situation where our relationship to materials is fundamentally altered is a fool's errand if you buy into Marx's arguments. He only provides a loose sketch of the "lower" stage of communism for a reason, and that's because at that phase he can (somewhat ironically all things considered) assume that social relations regarding property are still clinging around in some vestigial form. Can we imagine a thinker thoroughly entrenched in feudalism mapping out our modern conception of capitalism with any serious accuracy? No.

Now if you don't go for Marx's critiques you're free to speculate, but you are going to be denounced as a *checks script* bourgeois reactionary utopian.

# ? Jul 29, 2017 05:38

rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

The soviet model worked for 60 years, it's failure was the result of specific policy decisions resulting from correctable systemic tendencies, it wasn't 'written in the stars'.

# ? Jul 29, 2017 05:48

Fuligin: Oct 27, 2010; wait what the fuck??

rudatron posted:

The soviet model worked for 60 years, it's failure was the result of specific policy decisions resulting from correctable systemic tendencies, it wasn't 'written in the stars'.

i don't think anyone's arguing that

# ? Jul 29, 2017 06:10

Jizz Festival: Oct 30, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Serf posted:

i got about five paragraphs into this, and while i can understand it, this poo poo is seriously tiresome to read. there needs to be a jacobin for rednecks or something that just talks to you straight. like there's cool stuff in here but i can't imagine sending this to friends of mine to read

Jacobin varies by writer. A lot of the contributors are in academia so they've lost the ability to communicate normally.

# ? Jul 29, 2017 06:11

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

theflyingexecutive posted:

nah there's nothing a franchise could do that a 501c6 couldn't do. it's a system designed with these particulars in mind:
1. shields you from providing large business benefits and job mobility by insulating your corporate arm from the service arm
2. inflates numbers of "small businesses" to take advantage of and allow you to lobby for tax loopholes and incentives
3. protects corporate reputation by allowing you to pass blame onto franchise owners for scandals

This is all corporate-side rationale, not petit-bourgeois or consumer side, which is where the question was coming from.

# ? Jul 29, 2017 06:13

Larry Parrish: Jul 9, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I don't think franchises specifically would survive but the large vertical monopoly companies probably would. Like the corporate McDonald's would all still function fine.

# ? Jul 29, 2017 06:15

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

In communism, all aspects of production are vertically integrated. :bern101:

# ? Jul 29, 2017 06:25

Aeolius: Jul 16, 2003; Simon Templeman Fanclub

Karl Barks posted:

i've been re-reading this article from 2012 in the Jacobin which proposes a socialization of capital markets, and i think it's very interesting. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2012/12/the-red-and-the-black

our very own mccaine wrote a response to that piece way back when, also worth a look

(by sheer coincidence his post draws on a book that i was just blockquoting in the capital thread a day or two ago)

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MizPiz posted:

You really need the whole conversation.

And the cold blooded killings at the end.

https://twitter.com/Babylonian/status/890620163493515264

this is just so good

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