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SKS chat: I wish I'd talked my father into buying another one for me when they were cheap back in the '90s. it's such a cute, handy lil' carbine.  He's a Vietnam vet, so he ... may have used one before, and certainly was on the receiving end of them. Vs AK: cf. a Ruger Mini-14 being confused with an AR-15. Vincent Van Goatse posted:Smith-Corona was a subcontractor for M1903 rifle barrels during World War Two. gradenko_2000 posted:Is "fire-and-maneuver" still a concept that's practiced in contemporary infantry tactics, or has thinking (and technology) evolved since then? Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Delivery McGee posted:How else can infantry work, aside from musket-style lines/columns? My question was more along the lines of doctrinal change/evolution, in the same way that the US now practices "Air-Land Battle" compared to ... did they have a name for their WW2/pre-80s doctrine? I know Hearts of Iron called it "Overwhelming Firepower", as compared to Blitzkrieg, Deep Battle, etc.
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Delivery McGee posted:SKS chat: I wish I'd talked my father into buying another one for me when they were cheap back in the '90s. it's such a cute, handy lil' carbine. Some of the most valuable collectible 1911s today are the 550,000 produced by Union Switch & Signal, a railroad signal manufacturer.
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i've taken a typewriter apart, and they're pretty pistol-like in there.
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gradenko_2000 posted:My question was more along the lines of doctrinal change/evolution, in the same way that the US now practices "Air-Land Battle" compared to ... did they have a name for their WW2/pre-80s doctrine? I know Hearts of Iron called it "Overwhelming Firepower", as compared to Blitzkrieg, Deep Battle, etc. Ah. But still, pretty sure small-unit tactics have just evolved with technology (more lead in the air, thus quicker advancing), but haven't really changed since ... WWII? Squad LMG/designated marksman/grenadier covers the riflemen's advance, the riflemen lay down cover for the fancy guy(s) to move up, repeat. Can't really improve on that. Edit: somewhere on the internet, I've seen stats for bullets fired:enemy casualty ratio. IIRC it went up quite a bit when bolt-action rifles came into vogue, skyrocketed in WWII, and tripled that in Vietnam. The machine gun isn't meant to kill the enemy, it's just to make them keep their heads down so the riflemen can advance. HEY GAIL posted:i've taken a typewriter apart, and they're pretty pistol-like in there. Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:My question was more along the lines of doctrinal change/evolution, in the same way that the US now practices "Air-Land Battle" compared to ... did they have a name for their WW2/pre-80s doctrine? I know Hearts of Iron called it "Overwhelming Firepower", as compared to Blitzkrieg, Deep Battle, etc. Air Land battle was an operational level concept, fire-and-maneuver as we generally think of it is pretty strictly tactical. Operational stuff changes all the time; the basic idea of suppression enabling maneuver hasn't changed much at all since rifles came on the scene.
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bewbies posted:Air Land battle was an operational level concept, fire-and-maneuver as we generally think of it is pretty strictly tactical. Operational stuff changes all the time; the basic idea of suppression enabling maneuver hasn't changed much at all since rifles came on the scene. Right. Air Land Battle is about fire support/CAS, infantry tactics didn't change. And I said WWII because WWI was kinda not so much that sort of thing, but you're right, the modern small-unit infantry tactics have their roots in Napoleonic-Wars British riflemen, see Sharpe & Co.
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HEY GAIL posted:lenoon happens to study these people for a living, where's he at Took a forums break while I sorted out some mental health issues and got a new job and all that stuff! Just catching up with the thread. Got another hundred odd pages to go. Still the most interesting thread on the forums.
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lenoon posted:Took a forums break while I sorted out some mental health issues and got a new job and all that stuff! Just catching up with the thread. Got another hundred odd pages to go. Still the most interesting thread on the forums.
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lenoon posted:Took a forums break while I sorted out some mental health issues and got a new job and all that stuff! Just catching up with the thread. Got another hundred odd pages to go. Still the most interesting thread on the forums. 
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lenoon posted:Took a forums break while I sorted out some mental health issues and got a new job and all that stuff! Just catching up with the thread. Got another hundred odd pages to go. Still the most interesting thread on the forums. Welcome back, sorry for all of my posts you have yet to go through. Biffmotron posted:From Army FM 3.21-8 The Infantry Rifle Platoon and Squad, which dates from 2007. A quick skim at USMC manuals suggests they're pretty similar at this level Read this and instantly be better at any co-op video game. L4D especially lends itself to squad tactics, TF2, GTAV and the like not so much because it's just chaos, but it'll help a little.
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Welcome back. We talked about guns and hats and pikes and stuff to save you time.
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GotLag posted:Coors made ceramic fuel elements for Project Pluto This was actually before they got into making beer. Holy gently caress Pluto/SLAM was awesome/insane.
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Thank gently caress for ICBMs, if not for them then Pluto might actually have been built. Nuclear-powered cruise missiles the size of locomotives, dropping dozens of nukes each then flying racetrack courses over the Soviet Union, irradiating as they go. Edit: Pluto is mentioned in A Colder War, and it really belongs there and only there. GotLag fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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On Sergei Rudenko and his 16th Air Army shortly before Operation Uranus began By 19 November he had 342 aircraft, including 93 night bombers and 14 liaison aircraft. He also faced a unique problem with mice that gnawed wiring in aircraft, then contaminated food and water, leading to an outbreak of mouse cholera or tularemia on 9 November that gave many of his staff officers high fevers, killed two, and, at one point, left only Rudenko and an Operations Department lieutenant on their feet. The sick were soon nursed back to health and the aircrews remained unaffected. On Soviet pilot quality - 19 November 1942 By 19 November [1942] the VVS had 5,014 combat aircraft on the main battle front, but there were only 4,819 aircrew of whom just 958 were fully trained. Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Strap grenade to end of stick -> Put contact fuze on top of grenade I feel like that is very clearly an anti tank pike.
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like that is very clearly an anti tank pike. What is a pike but a
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like that is very clearly an anti tank pike. I feel like pikes are intended to be reusable, and since lunge mines blow up (and blow you up with them), they are not pikes.
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Davin Valkri posted:I feel like pikes are intended to be reusable, and since lunge mines blow up (and blow you up with them), they are not pikes. I dunno I think if you actually took a charging horse out with one you might knacker the pike in the process. You just rely on the horseman not wanting to become a kebab. Applying my understanding of classical history to the lunge mine I determine that you could increase survivability for the user by making it sixteen feet long and getting lots of people to use them together in tight formations. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Delivery McGee posted:Edit: somewhere on the internet, I've seen stats for bullets fired:enemy casualty ratio. IIRC it went up quite a bit when bolt-action rifles came into vogue, skyrocketed in WWII, and tripled that in Vietnam. The machine gun isn't meant to kill the enemy, it's just to make them keep their heads down so the riflemen can advance. Pretty sure that's a myth and the machine gunner will have more enemy casualties than an individual rifleman. And I know this was more phrasing but machine guns are very much meant to kill the enemy even if suppressing fire is also part of their job. Also welcome back lenoon and do you have any thoughts on Dunkirk?
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Pontius Pilate posted:Pretty sure that's a myth and the machine gunner will have more enemy casualties than an individual rifleman. And I know this was more phrasing but machine guns are very much meant to kill the enemy even if suppressing fire is also part of their job. The machine gunner might have more casualties but not per-bullet.
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rodrigo diaz sent this to me a billion years ago and i found it again right now: jaques callot again, this one's in the Hermitage paintings are usually pretty idealized, and only in engravings or little sketches like this (looks like pencil and ink--i wonder if it was a study for something else?) can you really see how thin and tattered early 17th century soldiers were. Anyway: shields and swords The sense of movement and body language in this piece is just perfect. With a few smudges of ink--you can't even see his face!--Callot has captured the rodelero's posture, his sleeves, his long hair in the wind HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Pontius Pilate posted:
Haven't seen it yet, but my understanding of Dunkirk is from Milligan's war memoirs: "it was a cock up, son, an almighty cock up". Seems like they covered that bit fairly well.
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gradenko_2000 posted:My question was more along the lines of doctrinal change/evolution, in the same way that the US now practices "Air-Land Battle" compared to ... did they have a name for their WW2/pre-80s doctrine? I know Hearts of Iron called it "Overwhelming Firepower", as compared to Blitzkrieg, Deep Battle, etc. Here's a paper from the General Staff College about the development of post-WWII doctrine: http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/cgsc/carl/download/csipubs/doughty.pdf And between the end of Vietnam and the adoption of Air Land Battle there was Active Defense or "The DePuy Manual": http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/cgsc/carl/download/csipubs/herbert.pdf
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Is that dude in the painting left handed? Didn't think that was common back then - does it make a difference in a pike block? Isn't there something about left-handed duelists being good because they're much more used to fighting right-handers than vice versa?
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Rockopolis posted:Isn't there something about left-handed duelists being good because they're much more used to fighting right-handers than vice versa?  And in that context, it really is true that they get a bit of an edge, since everybody spends most of their time fencing right-handers.
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A light machinegun fed by stripper clip.
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Rockopolis posted:Is that dude in the painting left handed? Didn't think that was common back then - does it make a difference in a pike block?
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That machine gun fires forty rounds per minute per crewman. What is the point?
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OwlFancier posted:A light machinegun fed by stripper clip. The Japanese Type 11 was better/worse. It was fed by rifle stripper clips stacked in a hopper, with an integral oil bottle to grease each cartridge as it loads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH9VQGht8CU&t=17s
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Remora posted:That machine gun fires forty rounds per minute per crewman. The Italians took a while to figure out machine guns.
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GotLag posted:The Japanese Type 11 was better/worse. It was fed by rifle stripper clips stacked in a hopper, with an integral oil bottle to grease each cartridge as it loads: That at least has a logistical reason behind it.
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OwlFancier posted:That at least has a logistical reason behind it. Which was promptly ruined by issuing special clips of low-power ammo to keep from battering the gun.
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HEY GAIL posted:left handers are challenging to fight. i've never seen a pikeman who fights left-handed, but there's not very much fine-motor control in it. We've got a left handed musketeer, and he has a left-handed musket and does all the movements backwards. Unlike in later periods, this is fine because everyone's a few feet apart from one another--nobody's shoulder to shoulder. Have lefty muskets been found? That'd be fascinating.
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