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PT6A posted:Yeah, that's what people forget about the fall of the Roman empire. The empire itself no longer existed, but its legacy didn't evaporate. Also, recent scholarship has shown that, in large parts, the Dark Ages (early medieval period) weren't so much terrible as just not as well documented due to various historical and geographical features, which probably would not occur today even if the US fractured and lost global hegemony. I'm pretty sure what they actually meant was that the empire continued to exist in the east for another thousand years, rather than the more involved point that western Europe wasn't as much of a shithole as popular culture would have you believe in the early middle ages
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Jul 29, 2017 02:58
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I can only assume he has no choice but to sign it or he would veto it. Guess even he isn't stupid enough to get himself overridden by his own party
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Jul 29, 2017 02:59
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actually, rome fell in 1918
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Jul 29, 2017 03:00
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Amazing that trump was involved in heavy negotiation of a piece of legislation and we didn't hear a peep about it until now
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Jul 29, 2017 03:01
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QuoProQuid posted:actually, rome fell in 1918 I think you'll find that, since Russia was the successor state to Rome, it fell in 1917
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Jul 29, 2017 03:02
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He's GOING to sign it, but he hasn't yet. Which means he'll probably ignore it until hopefully everyone forgets about it and quietly pocket veto it. And then tweet that he did it because he's a goddamned moron.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:02
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TremorX posted:He's GOING to sign it, but he hasn't yet. Which means he'll probably ignore it until hopefully everyone forgets about it and quietly pocket veto it. It would become law if he did, unless they're out of session.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:03
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Rime posted:As a roman history buff, watching the USA for the past couple of years has been the best thing ever. The question now is whether technology will accelerate the decline of empire, so that we don't waffle in and out of Trump-types for the next century, or if it will prop the system up and allow it to stagger along and never truly collapse. You should bone up on your American history. Trump is currently just running an accelerated greatest hits compilation of our worst presidents. If he wasn't such a coward and wasn't a pariah amongst his own party he'd probably be hanging pretty close to the Presidency of his idol Andrew Jackson right now. poo poo, Jackson shitcanned his entire cabinet because his secretary of war married a lady who offended the sensibilities of the wives of the rest of the cabinet and it became a huge scandal. Also, Trump ain't got poo poo on Jackson's petty grudges. I like that nobody on the goddamn planet believes this release but everyone will just nod along anyway and let the baby pretend he wanted to go to bed after eating his broccoli the whole time.
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cheetah7071 posted:I think you'll find that, since Russia was the successor state to Rome, it fell in 1917 WELL, im sure you'll find that rome never fell and only reconstituted itself as the roman catholic church
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QuoProQuid posted:WELL, im sure you'll find that rome never fell and only reconstituted itself as the roman catholic church The Roman Catholic church abdicated claims to be the Roman empire when it named a holy roman emperor Rome fell in 1806
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Jul 29, 2017 03:06
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TremorX posted:He's GOING to sign it, but he hasn't yet. Which means he'll probably ignore it until hopefully everyone forgets about it and quietly pocket veto it. hoply loving poo poo, this same goddamn post comes up every three pages the president c annot pocket veto anything unless congress has adjourned QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Jul 29, 2017 |
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Jul 29, 2017 03:06
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nachos posted:Amazing that trump was involved in heavy negotiation of a piece of legislation and we didn't hear a peep about it until now Have they told him it's about Russian sanctions?
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Jul 29, 2017 03:06
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TremorX posted:He's GOING to sign it, but he hasn't yet. Which means he'll probably ignore it until hopefully everyone forgets about it and quietly pocket veto it. You can't pocket veto unless congress lets you. Though I have no doubt Trump is going to gently caress up the attempt just like LePage did.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:07
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Trump is gonna blurt out how much he hates the bill because he has to be nice to Russia during the signing ceremony
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Jul 29, 2017 03:07
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empty whippet box posted:I can only assume he has no choice but to sign it or he would veto it. Guess even he isn't stupid enough to get himself overridden by his own party Or the sanctions are so minor his Russian handlers have told him to sign it to keep up appearances of independence
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Jul 29, 2017 03:07
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Gyges posted:You can't pocket veto unless congress lets you. Though I have no doubt Trump is going to gently caress up the attempt just like LePage did. For reference, because it's funny as gently caress: http://www.pressherald.com/2015/08/06/maines-high-court-spurns-lepage-in-veto-dispute/
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Jul 29, 2017 03:07
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cheetah7071 posted:I'm pretty sure what they actually meant was that the empire continued to exist in the east for another thousand years, rather than the more involved point that western Europe wasn't as much of a shithole as popular culture would have you believe in the early middle ages Yes, probably. However, both interpretations are valid and non-apocalyptic, so it's all good. Even a worst-case collapse scenario, short of actual nuclear war or something, is really still not going to be devastating.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:07
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skylined! posted:*leak Maybe it'll dribble out in short clips.
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cheetah7071 posted:The Roman Catholic church abdicated claims to be the Roman empire when it named a holy roman emperor it's become a cliche, but the holy roman empire was neither holy, roman, nor an empire If you read closely, you will see that Rome fell in 27 BC after the Republic fell to monarchical impulses. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Jul 29, 2017 |
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Jul 29, 2017 03:09
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Azhais posted:Or the sanctions are so minor his Russian handlers have told him to sign it to keep up appearances of independence More likely 75 Russians drank themselves to death in despair trying to come up with a way to explain the veto to Trump in the day or so since the Senate passed the bill, and the FSB has just given up.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:10
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empty whippet box posted:I can only assume he has no choice but to sign it or he would veto it. Guess even he isn't stupid enough to get himself overridden by his own party If he just ignores the bill and doesn't sign it, it becomes law in 10 days by default. The exception is if Congress would not be there to receive the signed bill back, in which case it does not become law. (pocket veto) Congress went to recess before the bill was signed... Am I misreading something, or would doing nothing at all actually let Trump off the hook despite the almost unanimous support for the bill, leaving free to lift sanctions at Putin's command? EDIT: Ahh, looks like recess only counts as adjournment if they say so. And they didn't. I get it now. Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Jul 29, 2017 |
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Jul 29, 2017 03:12
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Azhais posted:Or the sanctions are so minor his Russian handlers have told him to sign it to keep up appearances of independence They're actually really loving harsh and important sanctions, which is why Russia is so pissed.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:12
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Rome actually fell when they kicked out the Tarquins EDIT: There never was a Roman Empire, it was just the Trojan Empire 
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Jul 29, 2017 03:13
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Robot Hobo posted:His only options are signing it and looking really loving pathetic, or vetoing it and looking even more loving pathetic. Congress has a very wide mandate to declare when it is and isn't in session. They chose to define it as "somebody is in the office to pick up paperwork". They are leaving someone in the office this recess
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Jul 29, 2017 03:13
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No, you guys, this is Trump, where his version of a pocket veto is "as long as I keep the original copy of it in my pocket it's vetoed"
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Jul 29, 2017 03:16
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cheetah7071 posted:Congress has a very wide mandate to declare when it is and isn't in session. They chose to define it as "somebody is in the office to pick up paperwork". They are leaving someone in the office this recess Ahh, thank you. I kept looking around online, and half the sources seemed to think that "recess" counts as adjournment, and half seemed to think it does not count. But if the answer is "It counts only if they say so," then that makes sense.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:16
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Robot Hobo posted:His only options are signing it and looking really loving pathetic, or vetoing it and looking even more loving pathetic. I think you deleted some words here, but I swear he'd be best just not signing it, firing Sessions in the interim, letting that narrative drown out the Russia Bill narrative, and the Trump Train continues to fly off the rails.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:16
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Trump has very large pockets, you see. The largest pockets.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:17
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Rome actually fell 9 months after it harvested Silphium into extinction.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:17
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Debating the fall of the Roman Empire is like debating speciation. Everyone's staring at phenotypes and geographic isolation, but modern genetics are just going to overturn everything. Wait, no, that metaphor got really racist.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:18
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Sweeper posted:The wording here makes it seem like they are desperate for trump to not look like a complete loser  I thought the exact same thing when I read it.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:29
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Gyges posted:You should bone up on your American history. Trump is currently just running an accelerated greatest hits compilation of our worst presidents. If he wasn't such a coward and wasn't a pariah amongst his own party he'd probably be hanging pretty close to the Presidency of his idol Andrew Jackson right now. this. he is gonna poo poo on it tomorrow and refuse to sign it or something.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:31
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https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/891048154560385025
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Jul 29, 2017 03:34
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cheetah7071 posted:I look forward to living in the glorious Byzantine west coast Nah, all you east coasters can eat turnips and hunt witches or whatever.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:36
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axeil posted:HOLY loving poo poo ty
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MickeyFinn posted:Nah, all you east coasters can eat turnips and hunt witches or whatever. i live in seattle
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Jul 29, 2017 03:40
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MickeyFinn posted:Nah, all you east coasters can eat turnips and hunt witches or whatever. Here in Florida the only change would be suddenly having to eat turnips.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:42
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This is a good article.
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cheetah7071 posted:i live in seattle I think you'll find that since you're not a rugged individual from the mountains of Montana that your really live in the Pacific Northwest of the East Coast.
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