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Jul 28, 2017 18:51
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It's the white knights who were sexist, but a different kind of sexist than the sexists they argued against.
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Jul 28, 2017 18:52
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Ah right yes that makes more sense, I was having trouble following.
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Jul 28, 2017 18:54
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Under the new alt-right definition, any man that defends a woman from their harassment or bullshit claims is white knighting now though. e: Or even women in general. Or refutes their anti-feminism 'facts'.
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Jul 28, 2017 19:03
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If you're a man and you say anything positive or even neutral about women, plural or singular, its a pathetic ploy to get laid. Another striking endorsement of male character from the alt-right
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Jul 28, 2017 21:42
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Weldon Pemberton posted:If you're a man and you say anything positive or even neutral about women, plural or singular, its a pathetic ploy to get laid. I mean, treating women with basic courtesy and dignity does seem to be an effective way to get laid. So the real question is why they don't at least try doing it.
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Jul 28, 2017 22:27
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it's the same concept as virtue signalling. conservatives can't imagine you care about someone other than yourself or immediately related to you so if you defend someone who isn't a straight (cishet) white male you must have some ulterior motive. it can't be pure empathy.
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Jul 28, 2017 23:11
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I think when alt-right people call others white knights it's yet another example of projection. They can't imagine why anyone would say those things for any reason other than trying to get laid, so they assume that others must also have the same motivations.
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Jul 28, 2017 23:28
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP4k0Snmvns&t=323s ~ White is good, Knight is good. White Knight is extra good ~ Oblivion NPC The Golden One 2k17
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Jul 28, 2017 23:39
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I didn't know about the broader White Knight definition. Hm, thank you.
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Jul 29, 2017 00:54
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Visidan posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP4k0Snmvns&t=323s And also Hitler would never leave sexually degrading comments to a woman on Instagram.
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Jul 29, 2017 07:34
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I've heard that Totalbiscuit has a reputation for being supportive of gamergate, and I saw him interviewed by Pakman, but he seems to actually care about the so-called "ethics and journalism" and not the poo poo that Sargon, Vox Day, and such complain about. Unless I'm mistaken?
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Jul 29, 2017 12:01
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Mr Interweb posted:I've heard that Totalbiscuit has a reputation for being supportive of gamergate, and I saw him interviewed by Pakman, but he seems to actually care about the so-called "ethics and journalism" and not the poo poo that Sargon, Vox Day, and such complain about. It's been awhile, but I'm pretty sure he was one of the "Anita Sarkeesian is still alive and un-raped despite all the threats, therefore she's a drama queen" guys. He wasn't like an active ringleader, but he was incredibly callous, and his prominence made it a big deal to both sides. Also because of this, his lovely opinions would set the dregs of his fan base to harassing someone, and his response was "I'm not in charge of them, I'm just saying my piece." Combined with his weird robot opinions about what game reviews should be like, it made him very sympathetic to GamerGate, even though he tried to act like he was a Just Asking Questions Neutral Party. He's no Milo or Cernovich, nor is he a Sargon, but he's still kind of a poo poo. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Jul 29, 2017 |
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Jul 29, 2017 13:02
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Mr Interweb posted:I've heard that Totalbiscuit has a reputation for being supportive of gamergate, and I saw him interviewed by Pakman, but he seems to actually care about the so-called "ethics and journalism" and not the poo poo that Sargon, Vox Day, and such complain about. He was considered "controversial" in simpler times before trump and the alt right etc. Back when drama in the gaming community came from a certain game reviewer giving a low score or what ever. It all seems very quaint now.
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Jul 29, 2017 13:21
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TB is your more typical sort of pseudo-intellectual, self-important manbaby.
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Jul 29, 2017 13:21
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Mr Interweb posted:I've heard that Totalbiscuit has a reputation for being supportive of gamergate, and I saw him interviewed by Pakman, but he seems to actually care about the so-called "ethics and journalism" and not the poo poo that Sargon, Vox Day, and such complain about. It's true that he supports GG as some kind of anti-corruption group but he's also not so stupid that he can't see that GG is not really anything to do with that. He's just being a giant disingenuous twat. He absolutely hates the "gaming media" like Kotaku and Polygon and all that so GG is a means to and end for him and drat all the evil they promote. He's not a nazi, he's just a basic everyday dickhead.
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Jul 29, 2017 13:29
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Jippa posted:He was considered "controversial" in simpler times before trump and the alt right etc. Back when drama in the gaming community came from a certain game reviewer giving a low score or what ever. It all seems very quaint now. He was the start of the whole 60fps debacle, where he'd send his followers to harass devs who didn't make their games unlock to 60fps on PC, including all the indie stuff that it would make very little difference in. It was a simpler time, but the dude was also a massive tool. I think part of his acting better comes from understand his mortality, given that he has terminal cancer and won't be around in a year or two. But he still hasn't really said he was wrong since he can't lose the money they brought in, so lots of people still rightly poo poo on him. There are a lot of people pushing actual ethics in game journalism while being supportive of the victims of gamergate, so it's not like he's off in this special position of actually trying to hold gaming companies responsible or anything. Hell, he does way less with that than people who have less views, because to some extent he can't afford to piss his fanbase off.
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Jul 29, 2017 13:40
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SteelMentor posted:TB is your more typical sort of pseudo-intellectual, self-important manbaby. That is exactly what he is, and the fact that people still take him seriously after the weirdest and worst pseudo-intellectual rant I've ever read is something that boggles my mind to this day. And I still don't quite get why he thought this rant was a suitable fit for SA, I thought he would have been clever enough to realise that hating on rants like that is pretty much bread-and-butter for SA, especially in 2007. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2634792
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Jul 29, 2017 13:59
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Regarde Aduck posted:It's true that he supports GG as some kind of anti-corruption group but he's also not so stupid that he can't see that GG is not really anything to do with that. He's just being a giant disingenuous twat. He absolutely hates the "gaming media" like Kotaku and Polygon and all that so GG is a means to and end for him and drat all the evil they promote. He's not a nazi, he's just a basic everyday dickhead. Yeah, this is the issue with all the hatred of mainstream media of all types. It's a move to make information dispersal less centralized, and thus less accountable. If say the NYT put out the Pizzagate story, they'd be sued into oblivion for libel, and rightly so. But disperse your information on a peer to peer medium like reddit with "free speech activist" ringleaders, and suddenly you're unaccountable for your libel. The groundling morons who complain about the mainstream media are simple hacks who just want the level of cultural dissemination without any of the responsibility. I'd say that discussing this kind of element with the enthusiast media of games journalism is overkill, but look at the stuff that's come out of the unaccountable side of games culture. Say what you want about Kotaku, but they don't around doing hit pieces on women who work at major gaming companies for spurious reasons-- see the whole Bravely Second "controversy" for a recent non-GG attempt to push women out of the industry. oscarthewilde posted:That is exactly what he is, and the fact that people still take him seriously after the weirdest and worst pseudo-intellectual rant I've ever read is something that boggles my mind to this day. And I still don't quite get why he thought this rant was a suitable fit for SA, I thought he would have been clever enough to realise that hating on rants like that is pretty much bread-and-butter for SA, especially in 2007. Someone posted this earlier, and I didn't make the connection that it was the real TB doing that. Man is that guy huffing his own farts-- anti-atheism is basically 100% as insufferable as New Atheism from all my interactions with it. Stupid pre-modern thinking that doesn't accept basics like logical positivism (which TB denies about halfway through his rant, with his "a God could exist" garbage) doesn't have a place in a world that's only been able to advance technologically as far as it has on the basis of that principle.
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Jul 29, 2017 14:52
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Jul 29, 2017 15:09
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I believe Total Biscuit sorta 'made up' with a mod, or a former mod, of Let's Play, whose name escapes me at the moment.Who What Now posted:I mean, treating women with basic courtesy and dignity does seem to be an effective way to get laid. So the real question is why they don't at least try doing it. They are of course above such base behaviours. It's like those facebook posts that complain about "here's how the poors GAME the system" and then detail several things people can do to earn government assistance. When asked why don't they do it if it's so easy, they just clam up. vv yeah well people take "PewDiePie" seriously now, catch up with the youths, gramps toanoradian fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Jul 29, 2017 |
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Jul 29, 2017 15:20
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I find it hard to take seriously someone who calls themself, "TotalBiscuit, the Cynical Brit"
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Jul 29, 2017 15:22
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rkajdi posted:Someone posted this earlier, and I didn't make the connection that it was the real TB doing that. Man is that guy huffing his own farts-- anti-atheism is basically 100% as insufferable as New Atheism from all my interactions with it. Stupid pre-modern thinking that doesn't accept basics like logical positivism (which TB denies about halfway through his rant, with his "a God could exist" garbage) doesn't have a place in a world that's only been able to advance technologically as far as it has on the basis of that principle. His rant is stupid as hell, but I don't think you mean "logical positivism" here. Unless it has another meaning in religious argument that I'm not familiar with, that term refers to a specific and pretty much dead philosophical theory from the 1920s. "Burden of proof" maybe? toanoradian posted:They are of course above such base behaviours. It's like those facebook posts that complain about "here's how the poors GAME the system" and then detail several things people can do to earn government assistance. When asked why don't they do it if it's so easy, they just clam up. Sometimes they go "yeah, maybe I will!" And then they go to prison for fraud somehow 
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Jul 29, 2017 15:24
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We should mix-n-match the pantheon of misunderstood philosophical/theoretical concepts from the Internet Opinionverse. Logical Marxism. Cultural Positivism. New Signalling. Virtue Atheism. Third Warrior Feminism. Justicism is Marx Plus Positivism.
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Jul 29, 2017 15:36
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Goon Danton posted:His rant is stupid as hell, but I don't think you mean "logical positivism" here. Unless it has another meaning in religious argument that I'm not familiar with, that term refers to a specific and pretty much dead philosophical theory from the 1920s. "Burden of proof" maybe? Logical positivism is the idea that the base condition is things not existing. So acting like it's logical to say "Well, it's logically possible to for a god to exist" without proof and then using more logic to tell you about it is about as smart as "Well, it's logically possible there's just this stuff called ether" without proof and going from there. It's sort of the basis for science, since you can't just start claiming that things exist without proof. The whole thing could be that I follow materialism, so I don't see any of these things outside physical reality as being real in the first place. I'm not even saying that faith in a god is something you can't have, but acting like you can logically prove or disprove god is something philosophy gave up on awhile ago. It's simply wankery without any point.
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Jul 29, 2017 15:40
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rkajdi posted:Logical positivism is the idea that the base condition is things not existing. So acting like it's logical to say "Well, it's logically possible to for a god to exist" without proof and then using more logic to tell you about it is about as smart as "Well, it's logically possible there's just this stuff called ether" without proof and going from there. It's sort of the basis for science, since you can't just start claiming that things exist without proof. The whole thing could be that I follow materialism, so I don't see any of these things outside physical reality as being real in the first place. What? No, that's...that's the...no. Where did you get..what?
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Jul 29, 2017 15:57
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Discendo Vox posted:What? No, that's...that's the...no. Where did you get..what? OK, I'm not a philosopher, and I'm using terms as they were used around me. What exactly is the right term for stating the the default position is things not existing, instead of existing? I think there's a thought experiment about a teapot orbiting the earth that shows the latter to be fundamentally flawed. The reasoning there was always explained as logical positivism.
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Jul 29, 2017 16:02
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The teapot is called Russell's Teapot, and what you're describing sounds like the null hypothesis maybe?
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Jul 29, 2017 16:08
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Goon Danton posted:The teapot is called Russell's Teapot, and what you're describing sounds like the null hypothesis maybe? The null hypothesis only covers science, though. I'm talking about that idea extended into general thought.
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Jul 29, 2017 16:19
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Regarde Aduck posted:It's true that he supports GG as some kind of anti-corruption group but he's also not so stupid that he can't see that GG is not really anything to do with that. He's just being a giant disingenuous twat. He absolutely hates the "gaming media" like Kotaku and Polygon and all that so GG is a means to and end for him and drat all the evil they promote. He's not a nazi, he's just a basic everyday dickhead. Has he ever said anything about his friend Dodger being stalked and harassed by a member of GG? You'd think that would keep him from saying supportive things about GG.
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Jul 29, 2017 16:31
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rkajdi posted:The null hypothesis only covers science, though. I'm talking about that idea extended into general thought. Does it? I thought that could be used in general philosophy.
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Jul 29, 2017 16:46
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I mean, once you start applying it to abstract concepts, you have to apply it to itself, and 
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Jul 29, 2017 16:47
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The problem with materialism and logical positivism (and some other types of empiricism) is that it really turns to poo poo when you try to apply it to emergent or self definitional sociological phenomena, because the observer is squarely part of the system they are trying to observe, there's no 'God's eye view' like with a controlled experiment. That's why you get trad Marxists with bad opinions about trans people, or the New Atheists 'rationals' saying "ethnicity is self defined? I'll self define as an oppressed Kekistani, lol.", and why the bulk of critical theory is antipositivist in outlook.
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Jul 29, 2017 16:56
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OwlFancier posted:Does it? I thought that could be used in general philosophy. I've only ever dealt with the null hypothesis as a strict math thing.
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Jul 29, 2017 17:06
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Discendo Vox posted:We should mix-n-match the pantheon of misunderstood philosophical/theoretical concepts from the Internet Opinionverse. I want to be a new signaling logical marxist.
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Jul 29, 2017 19:33
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dialectical post-rationalist, checking in
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Jul 29, 2017 19:37
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National Social Justist
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Jul 29, 2017 19:54
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oscarthewilde posted:That is exactly what he is, and the fact that people still take him seriously after the weirdest and worst pseudo-intellectual rant I've ever read is something that boggles my mind to this day. And I still don't quite get why he thought this rant was a suitable fit for SA, I thought he would have been clever enough to realise that hating on rants like that is pretty much bread-and-butter for SA, especially in 2007. Why does he have one post in 2016, what the gently caress
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Jul 29, 2017 20:03
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Discendo Vox posted:We should mix-n-match the pantheon of misunderstood philosophical/theoretical concepts from the Internet Opinionverse. Third Warrior Feminism sounds badass.
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