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GeneX posted:I hope the top 8 is all mono red The question is how badly do you want red cards banned from Standard.
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Elyv posted:this but unironically my friend, that was entirely unironic I get a lot of joy out of watching wotc screw up
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Jul 29, 2017 11:21
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Five Ramunap Red decks. Here we go.
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Jul 29, 2017 11:22
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suicidesteve posted:Give it 2 days and we'll all hate it again.
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Jul 29, 2017 11:24
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GeneX posted:my friend, that was entirely unironic ...How did they screw up , exactly? printing creatures with haste?
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Jul 29, 2017 11:31
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GeneX posted:my friend, that was entirely unironic I just like Mountains I'd like some more Lightning Strikes, and I'm not a huge fan of an unanswerable threat in the mirror when I'm spectating, but I'm ok with this. Also I'd bet monored falls off somewhat moving forward because usually if you want to beat an aggro deck you can but that's not always true with control and midrange
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Jul 29, 2017 11:39
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YggdrasilTM posted:...How did they screw up , exactly? printing creatures with haste? buddy, if the top 8 of the pro tour consists of a single deck, something went pear-shaped at some point in development (Or, in case you're a bit tired and can't parse what I'm saying: in the theoretical world where mono red eviscerated the field, they'd have messed up, which would be hilarious because I enjoy watching wotc fumble around.)
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Jul 29, 2017 11:42
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I can envision the deck dipping into white for access to Cast Out in the mirror match to exile opposing Hazorets.
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Jul 29, 2017 11:42
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YggdrasilTM posted:I swear, this thread won't be happy. Fixed that for you.
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Jul 29, 2017 11:45
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Gonna need to see the top 16/top 32 decklists, since there were a whole mess of 12-4s who didn't make the top 8. 12-4s went from 7th to 16th! It'll be fun to see if mono-red just cleaned house or if there's a bunch of cool decks that just need to find an answer to the Ruins.
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Jul 29, 2017 11:46
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Hellsau posted:Gonna need to see the top 16/top 32 decklists, since there were a whole mess of 12-4s who didn't make the top 8. 12-4s went from 7th to 16th! It'll be fun to see if mono-red just cleaned house or if there's a bunch of cool decks that just need to find an answer to the Ruins. Yeah the actual top 8 is fairly irrelevant, especially when draft record mucks with the results. Mtggoldfish posts total decklists by win per round in standard, that's usually my go to place.
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Jul 29, 2017 12:07
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I can't think of anything in RDW that comes off as a mistake in R&D. Probably the closest thing would be that Abrade is a very efficient answer card that answers a very wide variety of threats to the deck and pushed a lot of stuff out of the meta but lol if we're going to start complaining about answers being too good.
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Jul 29, 2017 13:05
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can't wait to see the epic top 8 showdown between a bunch of mono-red decks and a red deck splashing black for 2 cards
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Jul 29, 2017 14:27
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Retromancer posted:I can't think of anything in RDW that comes off as a mistake in R&D. Probably the closest thing would be that Abrade is a very efficient answer card that answers a very wide variety of threats to the deck and pushed a lot of stuff out of the meta but lol if we're going to start complaining about answers being too good. imo the main reason the deck is so dominant is because of how poor defensive speed is against the rest of the field. cards like magma spray and blessed alliance are super embarassing against the midrange/control value piles where every card is a 2-for-1, also ulamog is still somewhat viable. so if you want to compete with mono-red you have to accept losing to the rest of the field (so why not just play mono red at that point)
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Jul 29, 2017 14:35
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At least the top 8 will be over really quickly.
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Jul 29, 2017 15:15
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How do you guys decide what to put into your trade binders? For a while I had three binders with legacy / modern / standard over a dollar or so, but it's loving annoying to keep up-to-date as I build decks, prices fluctuate, and standard rotates.
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Jul 29, 2017 15:23
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oryx posted:How do you guys decide what to put into your trade binders? For a while I had three binders with legacy / modern / standard over a dollar or so, but it's loving annoying to keep up-to-date as I build decks, prices fluctuate, and standard rotates. You must love trading for hours if you have three binders. If a trade takes more than a few minutes, I'm not doing it, so I just have a small binder full of things I want to trade and a box of bulk rares that I occasionally dump for store credit.
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Jul 29, 2017 15:32
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I typically only bother with $5+ cards in binders and stick my $1-5 cards in a box sorted by color or whatever.
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Jul 29, 2017 15:35
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oryx posted:How do you guys decide what to put into your trade binders? For a while I had three binders with legacy / modern / standard over a dollar or so, but it's loving annoying to keep up-to-date as I build decks, prices fluctuate, and standard rotates. I had 2 binders, one with poo poo I wanted to trade, usually standard stuff above like $3 or so or poo poo I thought people would want for EDH; then one with eternal staples and high money cards. I'd usually only bring out the first binder unless they had something worth the second. (this prevents the constant 15 standard staples for cavern of souls offerings)
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Jul 29, 2017 15:39
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It's cool seeing mono-red doing well. It looks like a more expensive deck than the good RDW decks of years past at a glance but I might be wrong. If so that's kind of a bummer, a great thing about mono-red being good was that you didn't need a stack of rares to play it.
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Jul 29, 2017 15:52
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Attorney at Funk posted:It's cool seeing mono-red doing well. It looks like a more expensive deck than the good RDW decks of years past at a glance but I might be wrong. If so that's kind of a bummer, a great thing about mono-red being good was that you didn't need a stack of rares to play it. It's more expensive right now because everyone's buying in. You could get Earthshaker Khenra for <$1 on Thursday, Hazoret for ~$4
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Jul 29, 2017 16:06
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I love Fraying Sanity if only for the 'oh poo poo moment' when people realize the amount of math involved once multiples come out. I was at FNM drafting and a guy was talking about his Fraying Sanity deck, and how during one game he had 4 on a guy. He was boasting about how he let his opponent cast a spell to let it hit the GY because it would mean 4 cards off the top of the library. I then explained that no, it goes 1, then 2, then 6, then 12 and he was like :O
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Jul 29, 2017 16:18
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Star Man posted:I can envision the deck dipping into white for access to Cast Out in the mirror match to exile opposing Hazorets. Hour of Glory probably better if your only goal is to kill Gods
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Jul 29, 2017 16:23
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The only way they messed up with mono-red is giving it 8 Barbarian rings, and 4 of them deal 1 damage as they enter play. A deck that low to the ground should not have that much reach. I'm glad Bomat Courier is seeing play though.
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Jul 29, 2017 16:43
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Its almost as if when a new set comes out the Pros like to default to super aggro decks... Hmmmmmmm This happens almost every recent pro tour. Mardu Vehicles was most of Aether Revolt. White Humans dominated one before that, Etc etc. There will be a deck that hoses the aggro decks and it will fall off after its solved. As it is we can enjoy the fastest top 8 ever.
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Jul 29, 2017 16:51
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Lone Goat posted:Hour of Glory probably better if your only goal is to kill Gods Probably, since it means you can get access to Scrapheap Scrounger too.
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Jul 29, 2017 17:14
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The Sexual Shiite posted:I had 4 chalice out at 0, 1, 2, and 3 today, at modern. I felt accomplished. At which point the burn player whips out their super secret tech of singleton sideboard Shatterstorm.
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Jul 29, 2017 17:20
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Its almost as if when a new set comes out the Pros like to default to super aggro decks... Hmmmmmmm Isn't it usually at rotation when that happens? Which a ban is essentially, I guess
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Jul 29, 2017 17:34
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Its almost as if when a new set comes out the Pros like to default to super aggro decks... Hmmmmmmm The Pro Tour before that was PT Kaladesh, which had 4 aggressive and 4 control decks in the T8 with a huge amount of the field playing the bad allin version of Marvel. PT EMN was all Ramp, Midrange, and Control. PT SOI was similar, plus aristocrats(which is certainly not aggro). I don't think your premise really holds.
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Jul 29, 2017 17:46
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InterrupterJones posted:At which point the burn player whips out their super secret tech of singleton sideboard Shatterstorm. Shattering spree's replicated copies also get through
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Jul 29, 2017 17:49
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There's a con here so I hopefully get to draft my cube for the second time ever tonight. Also it'll be my first modern tournament tomorrow and first ever time playing modern, wish me luck! Playing WGb Devoted Druid combo with Rhonas and Walking Ballista as win cons. Some concessions were made (only one Hierarch!) but I think I'll do okay. Meta here is probably soft as hell. Not that I'm amazing either.
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Jul 29, 2017 17:56
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https://twitter.com/HAUMPH/status/891142620210057220 I haven't been watching. LSV's leaving coverage to get back to playing?
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Jul 29, 2017 18:11
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InterrupterJones posted:At which point the burn player whips out their super secret tech of singleton sideboard Shatterstorm. It was a cheerios deck that topped off at 3 drops
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Jul 29, 2017 18:24
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odiv posted:https://twitter.com/HAUMPH/status/891142620210057220 Yes
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Jul 29, 2017 18:34
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odiv posted:https://twitter.com/HAUMPH/status/891142620210057220 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/162828250
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Jul 29, 2017 18:42
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Retromancer posted:Even when Standard was bad we still had dope pro tours like that control matchup to end Pro Tour Kaladesh. This one just seems to be all turning creatures sideways with no one even attempting a midrange or control plan, which is dull. lol look at this idiot
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Jul 29, 2017 18:46
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odiv posted:https://twitter.com/HAUMPH/status/891142620210057220 He's also decided to become a pro wrestler
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Jul 29, 2017 18:51
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Elyv posted:The Pro Tour before that was PT Kaladesh, which had 4 aggressive and 4 control decks in the T8 with a huge amount of the field playing the bad allin version of Marvel. PT EMN was all Ramp, Midrange, and Control. PT SOI was similar, plus aristocrats(which is certainly not aggro). I don't think your premise really holds. Yeah "aggro dominates a blind meta" is one of those truisms from bygone years that doesn't consistently hold true anymore. It's like how it took people a couple of years to adjust to the idea that midrange wasn't a joke strategy for people trying too hard to hedge their bets.
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Jul 29, 2017 19:02
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AceClown posted:He's also decided to become a pro wrestler lol
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DangerDongs posted:The only way they messed up with mono-red is giving it 8 Barbarian rings, and 4 of them deal 1 damage as they enter play. A deck that low to the ground should not have that much reach. Mono red is beatable. Unlike Marvel or Saheeli, people trying to beat your deck will beat it, and I wouldn't be shocked if in the next set there's a powerful hoser, that's usually how these things go. The deck is good but if they didn't ban goblin guide I'm sure we'll survive.
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