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The best military, we can totally fight on every front with bigly success.
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Not without more boats! Did you know we have fewer boats than we did in world war I? Sad!
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shyduck posted:I'm more concerned (I can't use that word the same way now) about how China, or anybody else on the opposite end of these rants that aren't involved in the day-to-day of Washington might handle these tweets. Like is China doing the same thing, thinking Trump is just larding off and it'll amount to nothing? I have a feeling they do, since everybody talks, but there's that lingering doubt, and it's really unnerving. the Chinese have a trumptranslator that fires off those little picture-grams meaning whitenoise whitenoise nothingtoseehere whitenoise carryonbusinessasusual.
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Slim Pickens posted:Not without more boats! Did you know we have fewer boats than we did in world war I? Sad! But not a penny for maintenance! Only new shiny boats!
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Slim Pickens posted:Not without more boats! Did you know we have fewer boats than we did in world war I? Sad! I mean if we're going to invest in any one branch, the Navy is probably the most important for the whole power projection thing. Romney wasn't wrong that the USN needed more ships. He'd have hosed it, of course, since it's a broken procurement system (plus maintainance, retention, etc etc) that drags everything down, but I'm by no means opposed to increased defence spending.
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Just double the order of virginia submarines. They're a bargain from a procurement cost persoective, and we still could bring the cost down more with more scale. Those fully replace the CG and DG for everything except anti-piracy operations. So step two is to design an Aliegh Burke into a smaller platform at half the cost for regular sea lane interdiction. And while we're at it build a ton of stripped down cargo ships, tenders, and tanker ships, because logistics wins the day. Boom. Navy fixed.
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shyduck posted:I'm more concerned (I can't use that word the same way now) about how China, or anybody else on the opposite end of these rants that aren't involved in the day-to-day of Washington might handle these tweets. Like is China doing the same thing, thinking Trump is just larding off and it'll amount to nothing? I have a feeling they do, since everybody talks, but there's that lingering doubt, and it's really unnerving. We're talking about people who use their cell phone's light to help them read classified document. The Chinese and the Russian know what they're thinking, what they're planning, and what they're looking for on pornhub. They probably see Trump type his tweets in real time.
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I'm actually going to elaborate on the Virginia more for you ground pounding window licking crayon eater geniuses: Arleigh-Burke-class destroyer(IIA): ~$1.8b in 2012 330 sailors 96 VLS tubes (these are the ones you load a missile in pier side and are set) 1 or 2 helicopters and laughable other armaments. Range: can't get from Seattle to Hong Kong on on tank Advantages: Visible force projection. Can do joint-marine boarding and anti-piracy. Has helicopters and a few more TLAMs. Can play in ~networked~ future warfare. Carries big high power radar and can do OTH targeting for other planes and ships plus can technically field ABMs. Could field decent ESM for task group. Disadvantages: Not at all stealthy. Susceptible to sea skimming and anti-ship ballistic missiles. Not actually very good against any real submarine and their torpedoes either. Uses a lot of gas. Virginia-class submarine(Block V): ~$2.4b in 2015 130 sailors (aprox same cost as Burke 330 due to higher pay grades and more expensive training) 40 VLS tubes 36 Mk 48 heavyweight MURDERDEATH torpedoes (swapable with horizontally launched TLAMs if you really want) Range: functionally unlimited, Baring destruction or crew starvation Advantages: Stealthy as gently caress. Can deploy it's ISR capabilities for opponent colonoscopies. Mk48 torpedos are insanely effective weapons. Disadvantages: Cant be part of network centric warfare, mostly. Argueablly higher maintenance costs (barely). Using them as forward observers for real time air strikes requires somewhat permissive environment (depending on enemy intercept capability.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:more ships, more C-17s, shoot everyone responsible for the F-35B What in god's name do we need more Barneys for?
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A typical modern nuke sub can operate for over 3 months with a standard loadout of food. If you cram even more poo poo or do rationing it can last much longer, with a very pissy crew of course.
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M_Gargantua posted:I'm actually going to elaborate on the Virginia more for you ground pounding window licking crayon eater geniuses: Uhh what about painting and preservation? Also those Virginia's will require more nukes, who can't get retained anyway
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ded posted:A typical modern nuke sub can operate for over 3 months with a standard loadout of food. If you cram even more poo poo or do rationing it can last much longer, with a very pissy crew of course. Ham and cornbread. Cornbread for years. Just imagine if they just packed 12 months of those 2600cal survival ration bricks!
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M_Gargantua posted:Just double the order of virginia submarines. They're a bargain from a procurement cost persoective, and we still could bring the cost down more with more scale. Those fully replace the CG and DG for everything except anti-piracy operations. So step two is to design an Aliegh Burke into a smaller platform at half the cost for regular sea lane interdiction. One of the only intelligent policies that Trump ever momentarily supported was a gradual switch from a fleet made up primarily of surface ships to a fleet of mostly subs. The days of the big carriers are slowly drawing to a close.
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Zeroisanumber posted:One of the only intelligent policies that Trump ever momentarily supported was a gradual switch from a fleet made up primarily of surface ships to a fleet of mostly subs. The days of the big carriers are slowly drawing to a close. Umm. Carriers offer a huge advantage. Subs just cover the rest of the naval combat offerings. They can't fill a carrier role until $10k disposable UCAVS can cover the role played by F-18s and F-35Cs. Even then you could probably field more of them off a carrier that those would still be the most effective option. I'm simply arguing that modern surface combatants are a relic.
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hobbesmaster posted:You want to use subs for boarding freighters and stuff?
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hobbesmaster posted:You want to use subs for boarding freighters and stuff? umm just launch the boarding parties from the VLS tubes duhdoy
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bird food bathtub posted:How much savings do we get if we disband the Marines? They wouldn't need as many mirrors for starters
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bird food bathtub posted:How much savings do we get if we disband the Marines? We would have a lot more money for ships. Seeing as how the Marine budget is actually the Navys.
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Cruisers and destroyers are also key to carrier defense so I don't think the comparison with subs is apt. Each is in fact filling a different role
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Yup, still a totally good situation in Philippines https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/891633742409859072
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https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/891622003584716801 White house continues to go from strength to strength
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Oh hey guys, let's end off July with an easy prediction come true: 34 Baltimore cases dismissed after video appears to show officer planting drugs CBS News posted:Mosby said her office has dismissed or will dismiss cases that soley relied on the officers' credibility. "Where these officers are material and necessary witnesses, we are dismissing those cases, which rely exclusively on the credibility of these officers," she said. I'm actually quite surprised it's not more.
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/891622003584716801 Jesus, so now its the Chinese too  AkrisD posted:Oh hey guys, let's end off July with an easy prediction come true: Same thing's gonna happen if any officers decide to take Trump up on his instructions on roughing up suspects.
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CommieGIR posted:Same thing's gonna happen if any officers decide to take Trump up on his instructions on roughing up suspects. I was pleasantly surprised to see the police dept from the town where I went to high school be really straightforward in a statement they released. https://twitter.com/GainesvillePD/status/891086416511467520
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Conservative social media hasn't made a peep about reince (though I've seen a few geniuses in the comments suggest he was the source of the leak so good riddance). Instead it's all headlines about how badass it is to have three Marine generals in the administration
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TBeats posted:I was pleasantly surprised to see the police dept from the town where I went to high school be really straightforward in a statement they released. Yeah, there's a lot of departments releasing statements like that. Makes me feel a little bit better 
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FastestGunAlive posted:Conservative social media hasn't made a peep about reince (though I've seen a few geniuses in the comments suggest he was the source of the leak so good riddance). Instead it's all headlines about how badass it is to have three Marine generals in the administration Think of all the new flavors of crayon they can push!
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Front page of fox news says US is ready to use overwhelming force to stop NK aggression. I've never been a preper cause I live in Miami and I figure anyone popping nukes off is gunna put one in the third busiest port in the world but idk. Maybe if NK pops one off it may be worth it? But I have a feeling that Russia is gunna interpret our launches as a hostile act and respond particularly given the trajectory so in the end doesn't even really matter?
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/891622003584716801 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMR5zf1J1Hs
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/891622003584716801 Tweet gone, what was it?
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Pesticide20 posted:Tweet gone, what was it? He accused Reince of leaking again, then basically said IF YOU KEEP LEAKING I'LL TELL EVERYONE ABOUT YOUR MISTRESS. Someone since got to him and he apologized and deleted everything. Meanwhile, a National Review writer (weird, I know) thinks Donnie is a weird hybrid of a PUA and the sad character from Glengarry Glen Ross. http://amp.nationalreview.com/article/449988/donald-trump-cant-close-deal-failing-salesman
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M_Gargantua posted:Umm. Carriers offer a huge advantage. Subs just cover the rest of the naval combat offerings. They can't fill a carrier role until $10k disposable UCAVS can cover the role played by F-18s and F-35Cs. Even then you could probably field more of them off a carrier that those would still be the most effective option. I just don't see a big target like a carrier being practical as missile technology gets better and more ubiquitous. I mean, maybe we can make Star Trek shields or whatever to counter that. But I'll cop to the fact that I really don't know all that much about running a navy or the shape of future threats, it's just a sense I get from watching what China's been up to.
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Pesticide20 posted:Tweet gone, what was it? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/scaramucci-friend-baselessly-accuses-priebus-affair-article-1.3369153 quote:A friend of White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci continued the shame campaign against Priebus on Sunday by publicly accusing the ousted White House chief of staff of having an affair.
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Stultus Maximus posted:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/scaramucci-friend-baselessly-accuses-priebus-affair-article-1.3369153 Things this admin is bad at: 1) Optics 2) Keeping their mouths shut 3) Governing 4) International Affairs 5) Black mailing. Things it's good at: 1) New non-fiction Willy Wonka movie.
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