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Irate Tree posted:So, wait, you're telling me that; instead of releasing their codex and saying, "here's the official release, use this from now on!" and sticking to it, they're getting you to use the stop-gap book (which you paid money for) for units and entries they were too lazy to put into their brand new, officially official book of bigmars, which STILL costs as much to buy as before? New GW seems obsessed with pleasing everyone. In the process they make hilariously roundabout solutions, like Primaris being unable to use current marine transports and otherwise phased out units being usable in Index despite no longer having rules in Codex. Like, I can understand. They don't want to mislead people with options not supported in box. They also don't want to make people's models unusable. They just picked the most stupid compromise available.
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Jul 30, 2017 03:21
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Games Workshop is just moving forward with the strategy that all the options a squad has are included on the sprue. The index were a stopgap solution to bring basically everything up to speed in 8th edition and the codex will have every model/option available for that game line. The only option I can think of that is different is assault cannons for razorbacks, but I guess you can buy the blood angels one.
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Jul 30, 2017 03:27
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Cyberpope v2 posted:Games Workshop is just moving forward with the strategy that all the options a squad has are included on the sprue. The index were a stopgap solution to bring basically everything up to speed in 8th edition and the codex will have every model/option available for that game line. The only option I can think of that is different is assault cannons for razorbacks, but I guess you can buy the blood angels one. I actually don't think the turret from a Baal Predator would work very well for a Razorback. I think most people use the Land Raider Crusader upgrade sprue.
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Jul 30, 2017 03:29
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The Bee posted:New GW seems obsessed with pleasing everyone. In the process they make hilariously roundabout solutions, like Primaris being unable to use current marine transports and otherwise phased out units being usable in Index despite no longer having rules in Codex. Yeah, its this. They want to make new players safe from being confused about codex options that don't have models, while also not pissing off players who converted/forgeworlded those models all along. Except in trying to have it both ways, they hosed it up for everyone - now those new players will get surprised and confused when they play someone else who has a librarian on a bike or a las/plas razor and swears up and down they are still allowed to use them. The Primaris transport thing is bizarre to me. I assumed it was becuase Primars would get their own full line of transports for you to buy, but the Repulsor is huge and expensive (pointswise). They would sell zero fewer Repulsors by letting Primars ride in rhinos.
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Jul 30, 2017 03:56
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Tournament Day! Brought Guard Tanks 2k pts 3 Leman Russ 3 Exterminators Punisher Demolisher Hydra Vanquisher 2 Enginseers Round 1 Speedfreak Orks with a Fury Road theme    drat those bastards were fast. On me by turn two Ate my Lunch. I'll see if I can get more pics of the guy's army. Round 2 Tank Heavy Guard with 2 fighters and 2 Destroyers  Slugging match Won by objectives Round 3 Biker Marines and Terminators   Slaughtered almost everything in his force Here's what he had left at the end  I killed this  Only casualties were my rough rider squad Lost due to relic being taken
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Jul 30, 2017 04:09
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JoshTheStampede posted:Yeah, its this. They want to make new players safe from being confused about codex options that don't have models, while also not pissing off players who converted/forgeworlded those models all along. Most bizarre to me is the lack of a Primaris Drop Pod. It's such an iconic Space Marine motif that it's really baffling that GW put a Must Be This Short To Ride sign on it. And the base Drop Pod model seems really hard to flesh out like the Dreadnought, so I don't even know if we'll get a Drop Pod 2 out of it. They could just make it the size of a Tyrannocyte, but man that thing is also like twice the price of a Drop Pod.
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Jul 30, 2017 04:13
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The Bee posted:Most bizarre to me is the lack of a Primaris Drop Pod. It's such an iconic Space Marine motif that it's really baffling that GW put a Must Be This Short To Ride sign on it. And the base Drop Pod model seems really hard to flesh out like the Dreadnought, so I don't even know if we'll get a Drop Pod 2 out of it. They could just have them fill two spaces for every one and leave it as is. I'm not really keen to see an embiggened pod with no end of tiny rockets plastered over every surface. That's Tau's shtick and they do it better.
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Jul 30, 2017 04:18
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If you had the datasheet for the primaris drop pod in your codex you wouldn't buy a new one, you'd just proxy your old drop pods. But don't worry, they'll have all the drop pod rules you need inside the new drop pod box.
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The Bee posted:Most bizarre to me is the lack of a Primaris Drop Pod. It's such an iconic Space Marine motif that it's really baffling that GW put a Must Be This Short To Ride sign on it. And the base Drop Pod model seems really hard to flesh out like the Dreadnought, so I don't even know if we'll get a Drop Pod 2 out of it. Yeah, that and the lack of a rhino-equivalent are mind-boggling. You'd think if they were gonna ban Primars from the iconic APC they'd make a bigger version but not one that is the size of a main battle tank and brimming with guns. Just gimme a metal bawks to drive big marines in.
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Release a primaris upgrade kit for the drop pod with just different sized harnesses ez gg
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Jul 30, 2017 04:20
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I like the tank, but I don't know why I would use it as a transport really when it shoots like 50 shots
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Jul 30, 2017 04:25
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Black_Nexus posted:I like the tank, but I don't know why I would use it as a transport really when it shoots like 50 shots Yeah, exactly. As it stands there is no efficient way to transport or infiltrate non-RavenGuard primaris.
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JoshTheStampede posted:Yeah, exactly. As it stands there is no efficient way to transport or infiltrate non-RavenGuard primaris. Considering the tank can flounce out of melee with no penalty, fire heavy weapons on the move with no penalty, and has charge resistance, on top of 6 attacks it can flail with, I could see it making an decent overwatch sponge for a squad of Aggressors and melee characters. In fact, that can spare it getting shot for a turn at while its busy gently nudging against some Fire Warriors. However, that transport utility is secondary to the sheer amount of dakka and heavy shots it can cram out, and if your sole use for it is transporting Aggressors then you're spending a lot of points on package delivery. Honestly, it's ironic to me. Primaris infantry is all about doing one specific thing, to the point where units are all or nothing in their wargear decisions. Then their vehicle is this swiss army knife that's expected to do everything, and due to this probably ends up a bit overcosted. The Bee fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Jul 30, 2017 |
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Really, the las-talon is relatively short ranged anyway, and most of its anti-infantry is even shorter. So it's not like you're hanging back sniping with one, so why not put mans inside it.
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Jul 30, 2017 04:33
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I really wish you were Land Raiders could fit Primaris. I would absolutely buy one if they could. It would also be nice if an Inquisitor in Terminator Armour could ride in the drat Repulsor, but no dice.
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Jul 30, 2017 05:15
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I really wish you were Land Raiders could fit Primaris. I would absolutely buy one if they could. Actually, I think the Inquisitor can. He can ignore the primaris restriction and the thing doesn't say terminators aren't allowed.
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Irate Tree posted:Also, I have learnt that there is no point to take anything other than Dark Lances for Dark Eldar. Haywire Blasters can only net you four wounds on a vehicle, at most and Heat Lances are steaming, hot garbage. I can see making a point for Disintegrators if you want to chew up some heavy infantry, they're hell on Terminators for example. But if we're only talking tank bustin'? Yeah, Dark Lance is your gun. Though the fact that Haywire gives you mortal wounds which can't be saved against is kinda nice. And on Scourges, both the Heat and Haywire being Assault lets you move and shoot without penalty, and more importantly Deep Strike without penalty. If you're taking Scourges, I'd actually consider either simply for accuracy on the go. Of course I wouldn't actually take Scourges, since your heavy weapons should be on Raiders and Ravagers instead in which case you should be using Dark Lances and Disintegrators instead. 
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I'm thinking of doing a little project where I paint a sole primaries in some of the worst home brew chapters that exists. I was planning on doing a fighting tiger of Veda first then thinking of a Doc Thunder primaris. Please post examples of notoriously bad home brew chapters
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chutche2 posted:Really, the las-talon is relatively short ranged anyway, and most of its anti-infantry is even shorter. So it's not like you're hanging back sniping with one, so why not put mans inside it. That's true. It really does feel like the Repulsor is kind of designed to do a little of everything, which makes me worry it'll end up obsoleted by a bunch of new toys like a Supertransport and Superheavytank in the future.
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jng2058 posted:I can see making a point for Disintegrators if you want to chew up some heavy infantry, they're hell on Terminators for example. But if we're only talking tank bustin'? Yeah, Dark Lance is your gun. Yeah, Disintegrators should do work, for sure but I haven't had a game where i boat those, yet. I should be having a game soon (on vassal) where i'll have two planes with Disintegrators. Concerning Haywire, that's why i say four wounds, at best. The mortal wounds are nice but it's still a S4, Assault1 weapon so, you're getting regular wounds on most vehicles on 5s or 6s and it's only -1 to their save. For Scourge, Lances are better, by sheer virtue of inflicting, potentially, 4D6 worth of damage, wounding most vehicles on 3s or 4s and leaving them with a 6+ save, at best, at 36" away. As for Heat Lances, they're just dumb. Previous edition, you could rely on getting them into melta range and benefiting from lance. Hitting on 3s, glancing/penning on 2d6 and wrecking a tank with +2 to the damage roll. Now, you're hitting on 3s, wounding tanks and poo poo on 5s or 6s and rolling 2D6, pick the highest, on damage. Oh and they're five points more expensive than a Dark Lance - BECAUSE THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!! I mean, the only things I tend to fight where I am are marines and bugs. I don't know where to use the Heat Lance now. Trying to hunt characters? They're going to be in the midst of other units and can't be shot. Biovores? Who the gently caress takes biovores? Those walking dongs haven't been viable - for - years. For the cost of 5 Scourges, 4 with Dark Lances, you're paying 5 points less than you would for a T6 Ravager with 3 Dark Lances, that can't benefit from cover because cover in this edition blows. The 5+ Invuln is nothing to rely on, since most things that would target your Ravagers are spewing out stupid amounts of fire at S7/8/9. At least with the Scourges, you can plonk two units from deep strike down behind a target, or just in any piece of viable cover and pump enough lance into them, that they'll keel over and die, without worrying about getting shot to poo poo first turn. This just feels like another edition where, I'm feeling forced to play one way, rather than my way. GW just keep taking my toys away 
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JoshTheStampede posted:Yeah, its this. They want to make new players safe from being confused about codex options that don't have models, while also not pissing off players who converted/forgeworlded those models all along. Yeah I can already anticipate arguments about this. "You can't take a bike Librarian," "Yes I can it's in the index," "Those are out of date," "Let me get my phone out" etc. etc.
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Corrode posted:Yeah I can already anticipate arguments about this. "You can't take a bike Librarian," "Yes I can it's in the index," "Those are out of date," "Let me get my phone out" etc. etc. Yeah I'm planning on carrying with me a printout of that FAQ that says I can take my lasplas razorback or the biker apothecary I was planning on making
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Ironically tournaments will be better, because everyone attending should know already. For games against dudes in a store though it's absolutely going to cause problems. On the topic of bikes, we talkes upthread about what regular Marines could even possibly want for new kits, and bikes is pretty much it. The bike kit is ancient and very poor compared to the more modern ones out there, although at least it benefits from being plastic and easy to smash in parts from the rest of the range.
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I'm honestly surprised we didn't get Primaris bikers. Basically makes them unworkable as White Scars or successors thereof.
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Honestly I think they're trying too hard not to step on regular Marine toes. They're very consciously giving Primaris stuff separate, defined roles which don't overlap with other stuff, usually by making them very focused. Which is fine, but also leads to weird decisions like no regular transports. Tbh though I doubt they remember bike armies are an actual thing. They've not seemed keen on bikes for years.
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Bikes falling by the wayside is a symptom of the greater concern of GW becoming vastly less metal over time.
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That makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised if Primaris "bikes" ended up as sleek hovercraft instead of full on heavy metal motorcycle cavalry. Agreed on the toe stepping concern, too. Other than the HQs and perhaps tacticals, Primaris seem to be made intentionally overly distinct. It's weird not having niches as simple as chainsword user represented. What do you guys expect in the future? I can foresee a flamer unit in the style of Hellblasters, and maybe even a Melta unit in that vein, although probably not Oops Five Lascannons because that'd be nuts.
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I expect to see some kind of volkite bullshit. Or maybe more esoteric graviton weapons. Some kind of poo poo Cawl makes for his pets.
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chutche2 posted:I expect to see some kind of volkite bullshit. Or maybe more esoteric graviton weapons. Some kind of poo poo Cawl makes for his pets. Speaking of, you'd think being Cawl's pet project these poor guys would get easy access to Techmarine lessons.
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The Bee posted:It's weird not having niches as simple as chainsword user represented.  The Bee posted:I can foresee a flamer unit in the style of Hellblasters
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Found pics of the Fury Road Orks   Also spoke with the guy who apparently caused the "if you have only fliers on the board, you loose" errata thanks to his antics at ATC.
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ToyotaThong posted:Found pics of the Fury Road Orks this is great. he even has a thunderdome.
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LingcodKilla posted:this is great. he even has a thunderdome. That's where he kept his Warboss and Weirdboy.
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moths posted:4chan's Angry Marines are so loving stupid. I'm more into the unintentionally bad chapters that the owners take seriously
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Munchables posted:Cool, thanks Head of the chaos warrior is a brettonian knight head where they're chopped off the little thingy on top and replaced it with the head-brazier from the flagellants kit (rotated 180 to how it is on the guy in that kit).
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There were a bunch of those dudes with the silver gun in the bin, and they're solid metal, everything else is plastic. I grabbed the ork because he little smiling face is just so 
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JoshTheStampede posted:Actually, I think the Inquisitor can. He can ignore the primaris restriction and the thing doesn't say terminators aren't allowed. He's only allowed on vehicles that can carry terminators, and the Repulsor only carries Primaris.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:He's only allowed on vehicles that can carry terminators, and the Repulsor only carries Primaris. I think they might need to FAQ that because in every case where something cant carry terminators it says specifically no terminators. The only thing the repulsor says is no jump packs and regular terminators are excluded by the primaris tag, but inquisitors ignore tags like that.
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