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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

coyo7e posted:

Doesn't matter. I don't want my tax dollars paying for some rear end in a top hat who's badly maladjusted to society, to be able to get laid and breed more.

I've got news for you: That's all the Enlisted military is.

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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Why shouldn't people be able to take medicine to help them have a satisfying sex life if necessary? Sexual activity is a normal part of life, and medication to make it possible should be covered just the same as any other healthcare.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

coyo7e posted:

Doesn't matter. I don't want my tax dollars paying for some rear end in a top hat who's badly maladjusted to society, to be able to get laid and breed more.

yeah that's a really lovely attitude to have. health care is health care, doesn't matter whom it's for.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Old Kentucky Shark posted:

The military spends a ton on viagra because ED is a side effect of both PTSD and the drugs used to treat PTSD. Don't be an rear end in a top hat.
Here's an irony: PTSD is an acquired mental health problem. That means it could have been avoided, bubt now we all have to pay for it anyway.

Being transgender is not an acquired mental health problem. In fact, "acquired" "mental health" and "problem" have very little to do with it, except insofar as receiving a gender reassignment surgery often improves mental health for the individual involved.

But go ahead and get upset that I don't think that "soldiers who can't bone" is a societal problem which requires my tax dollars. :bravo:

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

coyo7e posted:

Doesn't matter. I don't want my tax dollars paying for some rear end in a top hat who's badly maladjusted to society, to be able to get laid and breed more.

If you think that a nickel out of every dollar you earn ought to go toward 20-something year-old soldiers boning, then you ought to vote on that being an option on your loving tax returns.

this is a shockingly bad take

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


coyo7e posted:

Here's an irony: PTSD is an acquired mental health problem. That means it could have been avoided, bubt now we all have to pay for it anyway.

Being transgender is not an acquired mental health problem. In fact, "acquired" "mental health" and "problem" have very little to do with it, except insofar as receiving a gender reassignment surgery often improves mental health for the individual involved.

But go ahead and get upset that I don't think that "soldiers who can't bone" is a societal problem which requires my tax dollars. :bravo:

You're an rear end in a top hat

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
I don't give a gently caress if someone's full time job is to shove things up his rear end and then go to the hospital afterwards to get it removed. He should get medical treatment for it every time unconditionally.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

botany posted:

yeah that's a really lovely attitude to have. health care is health care, doesn't matter whom it's for.
I'll rescind my lovely opinion when vets (and the voters and politicians who "support the troops") stop having lovely opinions about non-vets, about homosexuals, about minorities, and trans people...

La Brea Carpet
Nov 22, 2007

I have no mouth and I must post

coyo7e posted:

Here's an irony: PTSD is an acquired mental health problem. That means it could have been avoided, bubt now we all have to pay for it anyway.

Being transgender is not an acquired mental health problem. In fact, "acquired" "mental health" and "problem" have very little to do with it, except insofar as receiving a gender reassignment surgery often improves mental health for the individual involved.

But go ahead and get upset that I don't think that "soldiers who can't bone" is a societal problem which requires my tax dollars. :bravo:

How about a twice convicted rapist getting dialysis from prison? You want to froth at the mouth about that too?

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

coyo7e posted:

I'll rescind my lovely opinion when vets (and the voters and politicians who "support the troops") stop having lovely opinions about non-vets, about homosexuals, about minorities, and trans people...

are you seven years old

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf
Of all of the things our military wastes money on, viagra is no where near the top of the list (see the class of ships that are rusting and the f-35)

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

coyo7e posted:

I'll rescind my lovely opinion when vets stop having lovely opinions about non-vets, about homosexuals, about minorities, and trans people...

health care is health care. don't be a regressive shithead.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

La Brea Carpet posted:

How about a twice convicted rapist getting dialysis from prison? You want to froth at the mouth about that too?
No, because prisoners have a right to basic health and human services. You want to live longer in prison, cool I guess. You're still stuck in prison living a lovely life for the things you did, and now you're super ill, too.

But be honest, people who are that unhealthy tend to be discharged from prison anyway, so you're kind of making up a false circumstance. But yes, a rapist has the right to life. He doesn't have the right to viagra while in prison, though!

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

The Glumslinger posted:

Of all of the things our military wastes money on, viagra is no where near the top of the list (see the class of ships that are rusting and the f-35)

Not even the Navy likes the LCS. Anyone who says they do are just trying to find the silver lining.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

coyo7e posted:

Here's an irony: PTSD is an acquired mental health problem. That means it could have been avoided, bubt now we all have to pay for it anyway.
Well poo poo, son, lets just never cover anything with risk factors in that case.

coyo7e posted:

I'll rescind my lovely opinion when vets (and the voters and politicians who "support the troops") stop having lovely opinions about non-vets, about homosexuals, about minorities, and trans people...
You're an rear end in a top hat. lovely people deserve healthcare, because everyone deserves healthcare.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

botany posted:

health care is health care. don't be a regressive shithead.
There's a vet I see almost every day on the way to work, he's morbidly obese, wears nothing but t-shirts with eagles, flags, and slogans about killing ragheads on them, and he ALWAYS wears a hat that says something along the lines of "badly maladjusted veteran- STAY THE gently caress AWAY!"

Yeah, that guy needs viagra... But I am glad he defended MUH FREEDUMB

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


"I want to deny healthcare to a group of people I don't like" -coyo7e, an enlightened individual

blackmet
Aug 5, 2006

I believe there is a universal Truth to the process of doing things right (Not that I have any idea what that actually means).

coyo7e posted:

Doesn't matter. I don't want my tax dollars paying for some rear end in a top hat who's badly maladjusted to society, to be able to get laid and breed more.

If you think that a nickel out of every dollar you earn ought to go toward 20-something year-old soldiers boning, then you ought to vote on that being an option on your loving tax returns.

More like a thousandth of a penny.

I have no issue with a 30 year old military vet getting medically prescribed Viagra. Being able to sexually satisfy your wife/mother of your children/GF/BF/whatever is kind of important for both your individual self esteem and your relationship.

Continually sexually disappointing your wife until she takes the kids and leaves you because of your PTSD sounds like a pretty terrible thing to happen to someone. Probably something that would make their depression or PTSD worse.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

coyo7e posted:

There's a vet I see almost every day on the way to work, he's morbidly obese, wears nothing but t-shirts with eagles, flags, and slogans about killing ragheads on them, and he ALWAYS wears a hat that says something along the lines of "badly maladjusted veteran- STAY THE gently caress AWAY!"

Yeah, that guy needs viagra... But I am glad he defended MUH FREEDUMB

who gives a gently caress. health care is a human right. that means lovely people get to have it too.

La Brea Carpet
Nov 22, 2007

I have no mouth and I must post

coyo7e posted:

No, because prisoners have a right to basic health and human services. You want to live longer in prison, cool I guess. You're still stuck in prison living a lovely life for the things you did, and now you're super ill, too.

But be honest, people who are that unhealthy tend to be discharged from prison anyway, so you're kind of making up a false circumstance. But yes, a rapist has the right to life. He doesn't have the right to viagra while in prison, though!

Compassionate release is usually reserved for those that need to be on hospice or w/e. I have been to dialysis suites where they are giving prisoners dialysis. Fun fact, even though you are literally tied into a machine via a catheter into your vein they still shackle you to the bed "just in case"

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Andrast posted:

"I want to deny healthcare to a group of people I don't like" -coyo7e, an enlightened individual
"I have no ability torecognize someone making a silly point to counter bad opinions about a group of people who're not universally liked, as those people currently exist" -Andrast, a dumb poster with poor reading comprehension

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

coyo7e posted:

Lemme guess: you're a vet, and you've got :awesome: problems

Your attitude isn't especially conducive to my wanting to pay for you to go breed.

Boners are a quality-of-life issue, you shou--

coyo7e posted:

I'll rescind my lovely opinion when vets (and the voters and politicians who "support the troops") stop having lovely opinions about non-vets, about homosexuals, about minorities, and trans people...

-- oh, you're just here to harass veterans?

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

botany posted:

who gives a gently caress. health care is a human right. that means lovely people get to have it too.
As long as lovely people try to keep it away from everybody, then I will mockingly claim that those lovely people do not deserve health care. I'm not held to the hippocratic oath or anything, I'm a technician not a doctor.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

coyo7e posted:

"I have no ability torecognize someone making a silly point to counter bad opinions about a group of people who're not universally liked, as those people currently exist" -Andrast, a dumb poster with poor reading comprehension

"Could it be ever poster in the D&D thread who is saying I'm wrong is correct? No, its the majority who is wrong."

Just stop.

uninterrupted
Jun 20, 2011

Andrast posted:

You're an rear end in a top hat

"Oh man, murdering Iraqi children sure has me stressed, someone get me some boner pills so I can go sexually assault my wife. Are troops!"

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich
You need to take a break bud, you're on-tilt

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

coyo7e posted:

There's a vet I see almost every day on the way to work, he's morbidly obese, wears nothing but t-shirts with eagles, flags, and slogans about killing ragheads on them, and he ALWAYS wears a hat that says something along the lines of "badly maladjusted veteran- STAY THE gently caress AWAY!"

Yeah, that guy needs viagra... But I am glad he defended MUH FREEDUMB
Who gives a gently caress. He should get healthcare, including viagra if necessary, regardless of any actions.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

CommieGIR posted:

"Could it be ever poster in the D&D thread who is saying I'm wrong is correct? No, its the majority who is wrong."

Just stop.
Trump won the majority. You lost. Get over it!

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

Boon posted:

I loving hate the comparison to Viagra for service members because it also trivializes a very legitimate expense while completely focusing on all the wrong things.

I've been noticing lately how common it is for people fall back on what amount to conservative talking points without even realizing it. Something similar that would come up constantly with my friends who were trying to defend Medicaid was "and most people on Medicaid are working/want to work anyway!" even though that's not the loving point. Medicaid is there for low income people because low income people are exactly as deserving of healthcare as anyone else. The military should provide support for transgender people's medical care because they deserve it exactly as much as anyone else. Any additional equivocation or justification just leaves openings for shitheads who want to deny them that basic right.

On Terra Firma
Feb 12, 2008

I'm confused. Did all vets ever just come up with some public statement about how trans people are gross or something? I don't really see a reason for this conversation.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Wow, that was dumb!

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Magic Hate Ball posted:

A lot of people legit think this, yes.

The amount of people who view being Transgender as a mental disorder that should be treated by trying to make the brain/mind match your genitals through drugs/therapy is troubling, but probably surprises no one.

It's honestly kind of hilarious to me that rubes believe it's easier to change brain chemistry and gender identity than it is to perform gender reassignment. I guess it's a Christian thing where they believe you have to struggle against sin or some other dumb construct of morality. They probably view it as some kind of societal surrender to even ALLOW trans people to get transition treatment.

blackmet
Aug 5, 2006

I believe there is a universal Truth to the process of doing things right (Not that I have any idea what that actually means).

coyo7e posted:

There's a vet I see almost every day on the way to work, he's morbidly obese, wears nothing but t-shirts with eagles, flags, and slogans about killing ragheads on them, and he ALWAYS wears a hat that says something along the lines of "badly maladjusted veteran- STAY THE gently caress AWAY!"

Yeah, that guy needs viagra... But I am glad he defended MUH FREEDUMB

Hmmm...maybe if he was able to see a doctor or dietician who could help him lose weight, along with a psychologist and psychiatrist who could help him with what sounds like are some pretty severe mental issues, he might become a better person.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

coyo7e posted:

As long as lovely people try to keep it away from everybody, then I will mockingly claim that those lovely people do not deserve health care. I'm not held to the hippocratic oath or anything, I'm a technician not a doctor.

then you should be shouting at GOP congress critters. don't get me wrong, i'm not exactly the biggest fan of the US military either, but health care is still a goddamn human right and the solution to the US's issues is not to restrict it even more.

and fyi nobody believes you were just "mocking". you're just in the wrong on this one, it happens, just move on.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

AceOfFlames posted:

As hilarious as this is, can we get some Easter European goons to confirm that this guy is in fact a Nazi and/or is giving a Nazi speech? After watching this clip 10 times and laughing every single time, I don't want to suddenly get news that this guy was just some random Army dude giving his retirement speech and I have been laughing at this death the whole time. :ohdear:

Eastern Europe thread, where this was originally posted, can confirm that this guy was a leader of some Banderist movement at the party's rally. If you don't know what a Banderist is, it's a follower of Stepan Bandera, a leader of the Ukrainian independence movement. Like the Forest Brothers, he's a controversial historical figure that has a lot of Nazi baggage attached to him. Bandera had cooperated with the Nazis when they invaded Russia, but was arrested and sent to Sachsenhausen concentration camp when Ukraine declared itself an independent nation. Following the defeat at Stalingrad and the Red Army advance, the Nazis released him to help organize a partisan resistance to the incoming Russians.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
Maybe it's just me but I don't think health policy affecting large swathes of the population should be dictated by a desire to punish a select number of people seemingly out of nothing but spite and vengeance.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

coyo7e posted:

Trump won the majority. You lost. Get over it!

:allears: Keep telling yourself that.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

coyo7e posted:

I'll rescind my lovely opinion when vets (and the voters and politicians who "support the troops") stop having lovely opinions about non-vets, about homosexuals, about minorities, and trans people...

Really putting the "Gross" in gross generalization.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

Chilichimp posted:

The amount of people who view being Transgender as a mental disorder that should be treated by trying to make the brain/mind match your genitals through drugs/therapy is troubling, but probably surprises no one.

It's honestly kind of hilarious to me that rubes believe it's easier to change brain chemistry and gender identity than it is to perform gender reassignment.

Mostly it's funny how often people think transitioning is like getting a tattoo that you might regret.

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Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

coyo7e posted:

Doesn't matter. I don't want my tax dollars paying for some rear end in a top hat who's badly maladjusted to society, to be able to get laid and breed more.

If you think that a nickel out of every dollar you earn ought to go toward 20-something year-old soldiers boning, then you ought to vote on that being an option on your loving tax returns.

A majority of enlistees are minorities so I'm going to assume you believe in eugenics.

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