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cool av posted:- enterprise? you're selling software that costs many times what a windows license costs and big companies all use windows anyway Lol
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dangit my macbook air is too old to run metal!!!  how am i going to redraw my screens acceptably now
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Jul 30, 2017 06:32
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actually, .net core is good and i'm looking forward to when my pet issues are fixed so i can actually use it
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Jul 30, 2017 08:37
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for one thing, it woulda obviated that dumb telerik issue since you can just install it sxs with the application
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Jul 30, 2017 08:38
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lol @ all these poor rear end Linux users. windows is great and asp.net is great and if you're still wasting youre time on Linux and p-langs you should probably grow up.
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Jul 30, 2017 08:43
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Luigi Thirty posted:dangit my macbook air is too old to run metal!!! if you write a dumb as hell opengl renderer that just renders a textured quad to the screen you can use glTexSubImage2D to set update the texture values fairly fast
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Jul 30, 2017 10:51
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then you can spend ages writing glsl for some dumb crt effects
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Jul 30, 2017 10:53
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carry on then posted:can't speak to javafx but swing has weird limitations that make it sub ideal javafx is awesome, and also open source. i don't know how they're loving up .net core but i do laugh when the ms brigade is like "write all your apps in c# now! it's cross platform and you don't have to touch java!" as if a host of better jvm langs didn't already exist, plus the out and out superior java standard libs and ecosystem
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Jul 30, 2017 14:06
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crap nerd posted:if you write a dumb as hell opengl renderer that just renders a textured quad to the screen you can use glTexSubImage2D to set update the texture values fairly fast I have an array of ARGB32 pixels already so I bet this wouldn’t be much work to wire up to an NSView
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Jul 30, 2017 14:15
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played with treaps a bit. They're cool clever data structures.
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Jul 30, 2017 14:32
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uncurable mlady posted:windows servers are the worst goddamned thing in the world 
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Jul 30, 2017 15:40
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Isn't the real reason that .net core exists in the first place that even Microsoft doesn't want to have to use Windows for Azure?
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Jul 30, 2017 16:57
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Shaggar posted:lol @ all these poor rear end Linux users. yes i love babysitting my bespoke windows servers and keeping hot spares because they take forever to boot sure is great running a cloud environment like it's from 2000 let me tell you
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Jul 30, 2017 17:01
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windows boots faster than Linux, not that boot time matters in a server.
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Jul 30, 2017 17:03
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mystes posted:Isn't the real reason that .net core exists in the first place that even Microsoft doesn't want to have to use Windows for Azure? possibly. but they also made windows nano server which is supposed to be a sane version for cloud use. but they also made mssql for linux which iirc is a straight port, doesn't rely on net core or anything. but they also invested on windows docker so you could in principle containerise your exes and dlls. but they also made reactxp to appeal to cross platform js development. but they also bought xamarin to invest in a totally different cross platform framework. the charitable reading is that they're such a massive organisation that they can afford to try many different plans at the same time. the cynical reading is that picture comparing various megacorps' org charts where the ms one is a bunch of leaves pointing guns at each other
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Jul 30, 2017 17:11
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microsoft's different divisions will eat each other but maybe we'll get some more cool c# features in the time being
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Jul 30, 2017 17:18
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Condiv posted:javafx is awesome well it would be if it wasn't unfinished and unlikely ever to be finished. also if it didn't use a particularly bad implementation of css, which is dreadful anyway but particularly so in javafx. there are bugs for basic features that have been untouched for years. the only new effort that's gone into it recently has been to try to limit the number of major third party libraries that jigsaw will break. which would have been all of them, because so much functionality simply didn't exist in public apis. I think there still isn't any way to get font metrics even. trust me, I'm maintaining a javafx program right now and there is barely a day that goes by that i don't wish it was swing instead.
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Jul 30, 2017 17:24
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cool av posted:- enterprise? you're selling software that costs many times what a windows license costs and big companies all use windows anyway well, yes and no all big companies have a non-zero number of windows servers, it's true, but they are typically used only for active directory. i am not kidding. often that is the only use of windows in the enterprise. it's also normal for IT divisions to be split into parts along OS lines. unix and mainframe for "business critical" computing, windows for desktop and active directory. you can guess which one has the budget, the seat in the boardroom, and the ear of the ceo. (tip: it's not the mouthbreathing windows guys.) tying your product to windows means fencing it into an information technology ghetto from which there is no escape. your salespeople will never, ever develop a lead inside of a technology organisation that's worth any money, because decision-makers inside a windows team aren't worth anything.
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Jul 30, 2017 17:37
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Shaggar posted:windows boots faster than Linux, not that boot time matters in a server. lol no it doesn't and boot time absolutely matters when you use the cloud. it's super rare that we have servers last longer than a few weeks before a new version of a service is released and we tear them down and spin up new ones
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Jul 30, 2017 17:37
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as a follow-up: the reason windows guys are mouthbreathers is the division problem mentioned earlier. anyone with a loving brain can see that the ticket to increased salary, increased responsibility, and a more prestigious role inside the company is to get the gently caress away from windows typically, the only people left inside of the active directory and desktop teams are people too stupid or useless to get transferred to anything else
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Jul 30, 2017 17:38
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I have bad opinions- 3 minutes to start up a linux vm in the cloud isn't a problem. edit: extra bad opinions: MononcQc posted:played with treaps a bit. They're cool clever data structures. What sort of programming do you do where data structures matter? I've been working in high level languages for my entire career so I've only run into algorithms as a bottleneck when it was literally a problem of stupidly nesting loops. Pythagoras a trois fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Jul 30, 2017 |
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Jul 30, 2017 18:14
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Blinkz0rz posted:lol no it doesn't and boot time absolutely matters when you use the cloud. it's super rare that we have servers last longer than a few weeks before a new version of a service is released and we tear them down and spin up new ones windows definitely boots faster than Linux unless you're talking about 2008 or something. 2016 is fast as hell. also boot time shouldn't matter if your load balancing is set up correctly.
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Jul 30, 2017 18:18
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Shaggar posted:windows definitely boots faster than Linux unless you're talking about 2008 or something. 2016 is fast as hell. also boot time shouldn't matter if your load balancing is set up correctly. lol shaggar it's impossible for you to admit you're wrong isn't it?
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Jul 30, 2017 18:29
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i'm sure he'll admit he's wrong if you just keep arguing
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Jul 30, 2017 18:46
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Blinkz0rz posted:lol shaggar it's impossible for you to admit you're wrong isn't it? windows 2016 boots in under 30 seconds. ive never seen a Linux boot anywhere close to that
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Jul 30, 2017 18:47
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CommunistPancake posted:i'm sure he'll admit he's wrong if you just keep arguing
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Jul 30, 2017 18:51
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Shaggar posted:windows 2016 boots in under 30 seconds. ive never seen a Linux boot anywhere close to that lol no it doesn't
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Jul 30, 2017 18:52
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yeah it does
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Jul 30, 2017 18:59
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Shaggar posted:yeah it does https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com...lation-options/ actually core and full takes 85 and 135 seconds respectively until i/o settles down. that doesn't account for provisioning either.
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Jul 30, 2017 19:32
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:all big companies have a non-zero number of windows servers, it's true, but they are typically used only for active directory. i am not kidding. often that is the only use of windows in the enterprise. lol wrong. the only linux i ever saw was blackbox appliances. windows is easy to admin and patch en masse so its never going to disappear from enterprise servers ever. ps: please tell me your patching plan for your linux servers and how will they *not* break your lob apps.
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Jul 30, 2017 20:00
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a lot of computer janitors outing themselves in this thread right now feels pretty good that we still live in a society where people are free to be who they are 
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Jul 30, 2017 20:21
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FamDav posted:a lot of computer janitors outing themselves in this thread right now xd
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Jul 30, 2017 20:27
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:lol wrong. youre an idiot. do you think AWS is full of windows servers or something lol
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Jul 30, 2017 20:29
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pram posted:youre an idiot. do you think AWS is full of windows servers or something lol umm... they said enterprise servers dumbass. the kind you find in a DC
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Jul 30, 2017 20:42
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:umm... they said enterprise servers dumbass. the kind you find in a DC i have some bad news for you, friend
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Jul 30, 2017 20:47
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im the cloud windows server that is ready to roll in 30 seconds after power on including domain join and application start
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Jul 30, 2017 20:48
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:umm... they said enterprise servers dumbass. the kind you find in a DC lol
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pram posted:youre an idiot. do you think AWS is full of windows servers or something lol the people who own windows on aws are p cool dudes and theres some interesting work there but there is no amount of money that would convince me to touch windows on the regular Cheekio posted:I have bad opinions- 3 minutes to start up a linux vm in the cloud isn't a problem. it really is, because multi-minute startups push complexity up the stack for infrastructure that runs on top of it. driving down inefficiency here will enable new business cases that were economically unfeasible with warm pooling and will also simplify the design of existing systems that do pool resources.
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Jul 30, 2017 20:49
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ugh how the gently caress does glVertexAttribPointer work i got an NSOpenGLView to display in my window and clear to black at least but how to polygon
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cool av posted:.net not being cross-platform is such a non-issue for a large segment of development Embedded? What is 'operating system'
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