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Jul 31, 2017 06:33
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Sydin posted:It'll probably be a Theon/Euron mutual-kill so that D&D can firmly bring the Greyjoy plotline to an end in one scene. That would suck for Theon's actor. Poor guy, season 1 and 2 he played a smug unlikable rear end in a top hat that was not unlikable nor rear end in a top hat enough to gain the audience's hate, he was just whiny and annoying and there. Then season 3 onward he becomes a broken cosmic plaything with none of his scenes (bar one early one that gets completely screwed by a later season) focusing on him or the state of his character. Season 3-5 scenes were all to glorify how  Ramsay was, with season 6 scenes having most of the focus on Yara.I just hope he gets an introspective scene about how hosed up his whole life is before he either dies or sets sail into the sunset
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NowonSA posted:Haha, yeah that was something alright. I get that a kingdom losing its leader is a big deal, but boy it'd sure be nice to see at least some Dornish men or ships helping out Dany going forward. A detail in the books is that Doran has successfully tricked all of Westeros into thinking Dorne has the largest army of any of the great houses, when actually they secretly have the smallest. I don't remember if 'smallest' is ever defined, so maybe it really is just the Sand Snakes, Areo Hotah, and the 3 guards Bronn and Jaime mowed down in season 5.
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fromsinkingsands posted:This whole time I really wanted to believe Tyrion was the best tactician but it's clear he's still wishing he was in bed with a few girls and some mulled wine. I have no goddamn clue what the writers are doing with Tyrion. The earlier seasons seemed to be trying to drive home that he was arguably one of the most well qualified candidates to rule, but he's an uncharismatic dwarf suffering under the thumb of his father/in exile, and thus is best suited to supporting a monarch Varys style. But now the last two seasons have been him loving everything up spectacularly, and the next episode preview implies that he's quite rightfully lost Dany's trust after cocking up one too many plans.
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lezard_valeth posted:That would suck for Theon's actor. Theon will be there till the end, he's basically a Stark
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Relentlessboredomm posted:So they used this episode to just cull all the minor actors they didn't want to pay anymore. And they did it through the most absurd villain magic. Also, gotta love the strategy of never using your dragons. Not even just as a scare tactic. Brilliant stuff. Yeah, I get not wanting to torch King's Landing, but sending them out over the countryside to incinerate a few armies and castles seems like it would end the war pretty quickly.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:41
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Le Saboteur posted:No I don't think so. His flagship was clearly at the head of that fleet. It would've made more sense if it was Lannister ships joined by Ironborn ships out of the Iron Islands, but without the visual of the Silence there, the viewers are going to be completely lost as to what's going on.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:43
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Bran, it's really not hard to communicate the concept "I trained under a man named the Three Eyed Raven. He taught me how to see the past. He died and now I am the new Three Eyed Raven." There. 3 sentences that explain it without having to go "it's too complicated for your dumb brain to comprehend"
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Jul 31, 2017 06:48
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WampaLord posted:Bran, it's really not hard to communicate the concept "I trained under a man named the Three Eyed Raven. He taught me how to see the past. He died and now I am the new Three Eyed Raven." I think the implication is supposed to be that Bran's a bit hosed in the head, either from the Three Eyed Raven poo poo, the "being chased for (I think?) years by White Walkers" poo poo, or both. Which is also why he's talking like he's a robot. lezard_valeth posted:That would suck for Theon's actor. I still content Alfie Allen is one of the best actors in the entire show. He was okay enough as a smug prick, but after Ramsey he sold the gently caress out of Theon's psychological scars. His physical acting chops are top notch.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:52
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Will they even bother dispensing with Meera? It would be pretty funny if her no-lines appearance this episode was just the last we see of her.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:54
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Sydin posted:I think the implication is supposed to be that Bran's a bit hosed in the head, either from the Three Eyed Raven poo poo, the "being chased for (I think?) years by White Walkers" poo poo, or both. Which is also why he's talking like he's a robot. He was pretty coherent at The Wall and could explain things in a normal way, so it just reads as lazy writing to make him seem "wise."
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Sydin posted:I think the implication is supposed to be that Bran's a bit hosed in the head, either from the Three Eyed Raven poo poo, the "being chased for (I think?) years by White Walkers" poo poo, or both. Which is also why he's talking like he's a robot. Oh I agree. That's why I want his character to actually do anything meaningful or of impact in the show at all and not just end up being "the smug hostage the stark's had" or "ramsay's torture pet". LIke for example if you look at the Tyrion character in the show for the past 2 seasons or right now it pretty much hasn't anywhere else to go or at least the writers don't know what to do with him, but we will always remember the trial scene.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:57
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lezard_valeth posted:Oh I agree. That's why I want his character to actually do anything meaningful or of impact in the show at all and not just end up being "the smug hostage the stark's had" or "ramsay's torture pet". oh my god that trial scene was incredible.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:59
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So the leaked spoilers were all true, and its even worse on film than it was in print, incredible Diana Rigg and honestly, Indira Varma, deserved better than this schlock
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HannibalBarca posted:I don't understand the Casterly Rock plan at all. Like if Euron's fleet was there the whole time why not just sink the Unsullied before they land? Also how was Euron able to get there so fast ah gently caress it Probably cutting their loses - this is something that in theory Euron should negotiate for btw, - it's much easier for him to come in and just burn a fleet that's barely defended and cut the maritime way for travel for the unsullied army than it is to engage a fully manned fleet - thus the Lannisters use some men they use as decoy to defend Casterly Rock while Euron loses almost nothing. The unsullied remained unengaged for a long time so they don't create loses for any Cersei-friendly army. I am amazed at how well crafted Martin's books are to date and i think the way the world they build and the way it was built + the reveals that get thrown around every once in a while (i.e. Hodor) are what mostly keep the show this entertaining and whenever scriptwriters are left on their own they kind of struggle to keep it afloat. Also i don't like the way they've built up Euron so far. The guy in the books seems a bit more refined and a lot darker, this guy seems like a petty replacement for Ramsay as the current jerk who is easiest to hate. They still have some room to give him more dimension i guess, so here's hoping they do that before they kill him (or make him king or some poo poo). uaciaut fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Jul 31, 2017 07:51
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Sydin posted:I have no goddamn clue what the writers are doing with Tyrion. The earlier seasons seemed to be trying to drive home that he was arguably one of the most well qualified candidates to rule, but he's an uncharismatic dwarf suffering under the thumb of his father/in exile, and thus is best suited to supporting a monarch Varys style. But now the last two seasons have been him loving everything up spectacularly, and the next episode preview implies that he's quite rightfully lost Dany's trust after cocking up one too many plans. It was a bit odd to see in this episode that, in effect, Jaime out-strategized Tyrion. Cool for Jaime I guess, but they really are making Tyrion seem like a gently caress-up so that Dany decides to say "gently caress plans" and have it (probably) succeed, if trailers and leaks about the upcoming battle are anything to go by. Seems like that may happen in the next episode as well. Hopefully that will be good to see.
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Yara was right all along, just go loving take King's Landing you stupid idiots.Mike N Eich posted:Diana Rigg and honestly, Indira Varma, deserved better than this schlock Her scene, and the scene between Jorah and Sam, were the only really good moments of this episode. I really liked that moment of Sam offering his hand to Jorah.
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Just watched the episode and...it wasn't that awful?? Probably the best one this season (which admittedly isn't a high bar to clear). The ending battle sequences and Olenna/Jaime scene were really good IMO. Citadel stuff was alright, Sansa/Bran reunion was hilariously awkward and uncomfortable (and not in a good way), Cersei's dungeon was gratuitous torture porn (also not good), and everything else was middling. Not seeing any chemistry between Jon and Dany but I've already written Emilia Clarke off so meh. Kit Harrington seems like a capable (if un-charismatic) actor and his interactions with everyone else are decent. We established the fact that people and armies can teleport across the continent back in S2-S3 (unless they're clearly building up to a climactic battle episode) so it didn't bother me as much as other people in the thread. Also it might be unintentional but it's neat seeing that Tyrion-despite being a decent politician-is awful at war strategy and got beaten by Jaime, who is the exact opposite. Generally, I just stopped considering the show as 'an adaptation of ASOIAF series by GRRM' and more as 'the hit TV show loosely based on ASOIAF' and I'm enjoying it a lot more as a result. There's no point in nitpicking everything when it's easier to just sit back and watch the tits and dragons show.
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Yureina posted:It was a bit odd to see in this episode that, in effect, Jaime out-strategized Tyrion. Cool for Jaime I guess, but they really are making Tyrion seem like a gently caress-up so that Dany decides to say "gently caress plans" and have it (probably) succeed, if trailers and leaks about the upcoming battle are anything to go by. Seems like that may happen in the next episode as well. Hopefully that will be good to see. I mean looking at the leaks, it appears Dany starts going full Targ and burning dudes alive because they won't bend the knee, which starts setting off alarm bells for Tyrion. Maybe the point was to have him wrack up a couple failures so that Dany has an excuse for ignoring his council to show mercy and going further off the deep end? Could have done it without Tyrion getting so thoroughly outplayed by loving Cersei, Euron, and Jamie though. IncendiaC posted:Not seeing any chemistry between Jon and Dany but I've already written Emilia Clarke off so meh. Kit Harrington seems like a capable (if un-charismatic) actor and his interactions with everyone else are decent. It doesn't help that Jon's thoroughly in "I don't have time for this poo poo" mode whereas with Dany it's all about her all the time. His outright refusal to even consider bending the knee was pretty much a nonstarter for her at this point, and I'm not sure why we needed a five minute scene of them going back and forth over it.
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The smallfolk at King's Landing is great. They just love a good penance walk / parade no matter who is organizing it. And you still have to ask why no one is calling Cersei's bullshit? Euron said it best, they just like heads on spikes. And again, are we supposed to hate Euron? He gets poo poo done. Loved his little talk with Jaime. Cersei's torture porn was awful. And apparently the show is not going for Jaime's restoration project. I guess he will be Team Cersei until the end, killing Tommen and blowing up the Sept is just something he briefly mentions? e: Well technically Tommen killed himself, but you know. Was there something in the leaks about dragons and Dothraki pillaging King's Landing, or are they just gonna chill out in Dragonstone the rest of the season? e: Bran & Sansa scene was hilariously bad. Apparently Bran lost his emotions on the way and made probably the worst explanation ever "You were beautiful the night you got raped"  The Sam scenes have been the best so far in this season, along with Hound (where is he btw) e: Okay, the end fights were pretty good, I guess. And poor Olenna. Apparently Tyrells had no army in the show? Also they're not even trying with realistic pacing anymore, I wouldn't be surprised if the Unsullied just march all the way across Westeros in half an episode because LOL TeaJay fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Jul 31, 2017 08:59
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TeaJay posted:Cersei's torture porn was awful. And apparently the show is not going for Jaime's restoration project. I guess he will be Team Cersei until the end, killing Tommen and blowing up the Sept is just something he briefly mentions? I hope they're setting Jaime up to stab Cersei and trying to make it more dramatic by playing up their relationship. If it is that it's clumsy, but at least it's something. Could also just be that they forgot about that whole character growth thing he had going for a while and decided he's cool with anything so long as he gets to bang his sister.
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Jul 31, 2017 09:13
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TeaJay posted:The smallfolk at King's Landing is great. This was a loving horrible scene but that one dude who just shouted whore whore whore was kind of really endearing. This non-Jon-Sno parts of this episode felt like a loving denouement to end a thing, only there was never a climax in the first place. I kind of wish the show ended last year if all they are going to do is cull every possible inch of intrigue in favor of a literal zombie invasion.
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quote:e: Okay, the end fights were pretty good, I guess. And poor Olenna. Apparently Tyrells had no army in the show? I think we were supposed to get from Jaime's conversation with Tarly in episode 2 -> Tarly riding alongside Jaime in this one that Tarly more or less controls a lot of the remaining Tyrell forces and sided with the Lannisters. It's still pretty janky that they marched a huge army clear across the kingdom to Highgarden without Olenna noticing, but no jankier than a ton of other stuff the show has pulled lately. The real reason is that the last season ended with things so thoroughly stacked in Dany's favor that they only way they could have a credible war is if she lost 2/3s of her forces to lazily-written bullshit and here we are. bloom posted:I hope they're setting Jaime up to stab Cersei and trying to make it more dramatic by playing up their relationship. Almost certainly. Book Cersei gets a prophesy that she'll be killed by her brother which she assumes is Tyrion, and every reader guessed is actually Jaime about 12 years ago.
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WampaLord posted:Yara was right all along, just go loving take King's Landing you stupid idiots. Of course she was, it was the only sensible plan. There are zero supply lines that you need to take care of between KL and Dragonstone. The dragons basically only need to to their morning round a few minutes longer, KL has poo poo defenses and it is wide open land for your lovely Mongol stand-in (not being a horse-archer army, but basically unarmoured knights without discipline should really gently caress her over, but it won't) to do something. And you have the Unsullied, who have now a lot of experience in taking cities and holding them (very poorly). Also they would have complete control of the sea between KL and Dragonstone, and could have waited at their leasure for the Tyrells and Dornish to stroll up the land way they controlled in the first place. There was no Lannister controlled area or army that made it necessary to use ships at all. Wait around KL in a "siege light" with your foreign armies, for them to come up and do the whole "needs to be taken by white men, not by brownies to get the people's support" stratagem. Basically Tyrion finally becomes the idiotic gently caress-up he is in the books thanks to the writers needing some excuse to prop up Cersei. Decius fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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TeaJay posted:Cersei's torture porn was awful. And apparently the show is not going for Jaime's restoration project. I guess he will be Team Cersei until the end, killing Tommen and blowing up the Sept is just something he briefly mentions? e: Well technically Tommen killed himself, but you know. According to the leak Jamie finally gives up on Cersei and fucks off later in the season. kater posted:This was a loving horrible scene but that one dude who just shouted whore whore whore was kind of really endearing. I can only assume after last season D&D looked at one another and figured that they'd have to write in some stupid contrivances for Dany to lose a good chunk of her army + allies, otherwise there'd be nothing stopping her from going south and stomping Cersei, then turning around, going north, and stomping and/or teaming up with Jon. It was also cool of them to give Olenna a bunch of lines pointing out how dumb the whole thing is before having her smugly commit forced suicide. Sydin fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Avasculous posted:Almost certainly. Book Cersei gets a prophesy that she'll be killed by her brother which she assumes is Tyrion, and every reader guessed is actually Jaime about 12 years ago. I think they'll be each other's downfall. If the valonqar prophecy is true, it's certainly Jaime who does it. But I don't think he'll get out alive, either. Disenfranchised with Cersei, as he is, imho he probably really still does love her crazy rear end. He just won't put up with her poo poo anymore in the books. Though whenever he learns about the trial's outcome and walk of shame, I wouldn't be surprised if he regrets not going to her side when she summoned him. But who knows if he'll even make it out of the Stoneheart situation alive. I kind of hope Cersei lives, though. Crazy and alone in a probs ruined kingdom of which she has no noble part of any more.
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Oh i also thought the dungeon scene with Ellaria Sand and her daughter was particularly bad. Not only would Cersei (both the show and the book versions) have killed her, but she would've tortured her daughter extensively in front of her before doing so, slowly. Instead we get this little poison kiss scene and Ellaria suddenly goes all hysterical like she thought they had any chance at escaping.
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uaciaut posted:Oh i also thought the dungeon scene with Ellaria Sand and her daughter was particularly bad. Not only would Cersei (both the show and the book versions) have killed her, but she would've tortured her daughter extensively in front of her before doing so, slowly. Instead we get this little poison kiss scene and Ellaria suddenly goes all hysterical like she thought they had any chance at escaping. The slow reveal (oh god so slow) of forced survival to watch her daughter rot was the actual punishment and screaming. Even if you live with your eyes closed you're going to smell that. She would have welcomed death. And slowly dying with the knowledge that your mother will spend her years this way is insane psychological torture. This is peak Cersei. Like it's still a poo poo scene and took at least twice as long as it should have, but at least the acting was on point. It's just too bad that Sand Snake girl didn't get copies of the script along with Euron. She could have just bitten her lips (yes I know this wouldn't work but the point of that...delivery, is the element of surprise, and Cersei's entire speech was about direct revenge). Propaganda Machine fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Yeah that's brutal torture. Since Cersei is leaving her alive, it's possible Dany might be able to rescue her.
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"I'm the three-eyed raven" "I don't know what that means" That made me laugh my balls off. Good episode. Some sloppy dialogue but it's to be expected at this point. They keep moving though, killing people off and getting us to the end, which is all I want from it.
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WampaLord posted:Bran, it's really not hard to communicate the concept "I trained under a man named the Three Eyed Raven. He taught me how to see the past. He died and now I am the new Three Eyed Raven." Next episode Arya will arrive at Winterfell. "I trained with the faceless men and now I am nobody. Now leave us. Bran and I have much to discuss."
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I loving love Lena Headey. Diana Rigg will be missed. Olenna was a baller to the very end, and then some.
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So is bran basically Dr Manhattan now? Sees everything, has trouble coneying he gives a poo poo about any of it.
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massive spider posted:So is bran basically Dr Manhattan now? Sees everything, has trouble coneying he gives a poo poo about any of it. Actually he's been like that since season 1 
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massive spider posted:So is bran basically Dr Manhattan now? Sees everything, has trouble coneying he gives a poo poo about any of it. It's fitting because I'm still struggling to give a poo poo about Bran.
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I am so tired of these throne games.
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Captain Splendid posted:I am so tired of these throne games. Maybe stop stowing away then.
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