Star Citizen: Death of a Space Thread?

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Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

ManofManyAliases posted:

larger battles are still not possible (2018/2019 minimum) and SC will focus more on smaller player driven skirmishes (complete speculation, although a combination of AWS and a recent release of v1.0 of "yojimbo" by the network protocol company suggests that this isn't really an issue)

I'd suggest that it's an issue, but I'm coming from tier 1 AWS.

So, Yojimbo would be this - https://github.com/networkprotocol/yojimbo

A network stack written in 2016.

You know that most people will use off the shelf middleware to do this, so I'm not entirely certain why they're going with an open source library at this point.

If you've partially understood some of my posts on networking, gaming libraries tend to layer over UDP as this one does. TLS mediates the encryption which is run using a standard key exchange, then there's an encrypted stream handling client/server comms. None of this is unusual or changes the nature of the base problem of handling positional updates for 'thousands' of clients/objects etc.

Hav fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jul 31, 2017

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:12

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 12:05

trucutru: Jul 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

ManofManyAliases posted:

chris roberts is transitioning away from any game or art design to focus more on company matters (not true, although no one really knows this because no one has directly asked him)
someone close to chris (sean tracy??) will be handling all end stage design and art approvals (again, not true because erin/sean/brian have been involved with these types of role all year now)
expect 3.0 features in 2018 at the minimum (not true, although 3.0 technically has not been delivered yet)
sqlude is still scheduled for this year (speculation - no one really knows the answer)
sqlude is working off a different engine branch than 2.6/3.0 (???) (it's been stated that they'll leverage code and assets from PU, and now lumberyard. Again, speculation).
mocapped assets are undergoing redesigns (again) some mocapped characters have changed due to rewrites, causing dialogue to be re-recorded (Ben and Disco have stated that SQ42 MoCap had been completed for some time now. There are mocap sessions, but these are one-offs for PU).
crawling/wall/fast attacking vanduul were too "problematic," will now stand and fire normally (speculation - literally no information about this at all - yet to be seen).
AI still broken (shooting through walls, instakilling the player, animations not firing correctly, spazzing out into the great beyond on death anim) (not true as we have seen AI updates in recent ATVs and no mention of ongoing bugs/blockers in this regard)
netcode still broken (according to the schedule update, netcode in relation to UI changes is code complete and serialization was bumped out to 3.1)
updated design docs are forthcoming and will detail some (They use Jira, Shotgun and other apps for project management. They've had project designs created and fleshed out for over a year now)
"minor" changes to scope (as is the case with this project since 2012 - not any special news)
larger ships with full player crews will be hamstrung fighting against AI ships until problems are fixed (complete speculation - no way to know)
larger battles are still not possible (2018/2019 minimum) and SC will focus more on smaller player driven skirmishes (complete speculation, although a combination of AWS and a recent release of v1.0 of "yojimbo" by the network protocol company suggests that this isn't really an issue)
end year sales "barely put our nostrils above water" ( historical data shows that end-year sales are always pretty strong/significant. Absolutely no basis for the quote, and without access to the financials, this is - again - speculation).

I'm not sure when you are classifying these as "right predictions" when practically non are true or are complete speculation.

Wow, we got a new MoMA in here.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:13

Bootcha: Nov 13, 2012; Truly, the pinnacle of goaltending; Grimey Drawer

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Lol I forgot how bad the Restoration Hardware stuff was, hope the links help Bootcha!

I keep clicking on your face but it leads me nowhere.

nvm I got it thank you Jobbo

Bootcha fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jul 31, 2017

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:15

Sabreseven: Feb 27, 2016

trucutru posted:

Wow, we got a new MoMA in here.

Moma-mode:
*Picks 6 month old post to tear down, ends up repeating 'nobody knows waaaahhh!' for each bullet point*

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:19

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

moma please let me know if any of these claims in this post were not verified 100%

if they aren't, who loving cares, star citizen is literally crashing and burning all around you. who loving needs leaks when you can actively see how bad poo poo is going

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:19

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

Sabreseven posted:

Moma-mode:
*Picks 6 month old post to tear down, ends up repeating 'nobody knows waaaahhh!' for each bullet point*

most open development ever

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:20

Theotus: Nov 8, 2014

TheAgent posted:

most open development ever

Check your PMs, fuddy buddy.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:26

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

TheAgent posted:

most open development ever

When did they start with variable serialization?

https://gafferongames.com/post/serialization_strategies/

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:26

Virtual Captain: Feb 20, 2017; Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.

Hav posted:

I'd suggest that it's an issue, but I'm coming from tier 1 AWS.

So, Yojimbo would be this - https://github.com/networkprotocol/yojimbo

A network stack written in 2016.

Clicked around on this a few weeks back.

Front and center on the README.md
yojimbo is currently in pre-release for early feedback.

Hav posted:

When did they start with variable serialization?

https://gafferongames.com/post/serialization_strategies/

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:28

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

Mr.Tophat posted:

MoMA, do you gamble?

No I don't! he vapidly exclaims as he places $8000 on 42 right before the spinning roulette wheel jittered and flew out of the casino clipping through the cieling

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:29

Theotus: Nov 8, 2014

"Only on a sure thing. :smug:

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:30

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

Virtual Captain posted:

Clicked around on this a few weeks back.

Front and center on the README.md
yojimbo is currently in pre-release for early feedback.

Yeah, so why not use RakNet, a mature and free solution to the same problem? As near as I tell it seems they decided to change their networking in 2016 and went with....a pre-alpha?

The BSD license could be part of it; it's basically unfettered, but RakNet is a lot freer than it was.

https://github.com/facebookarchive/RakNet

fake edit: RakNet is also BSD, released and tested.

Real Edit: Ha, so they were reading the internet to find out how to do it.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:32

MedicineHut: Feb 25, 2016

Polish Avenger posted:

The TW:WH chat is killing me right now. Love Total War, very fond of Warhammer but only from afar as I've never touched a piece of the tabletop. I just don't have enough time to get through a TW game right now.

I remember during a brief sub-lease in the summer, it was going to take two weeks to get an internet install. So I went down to walmart, grabbed Total War Medieval II and, with a brief break from my job, basically didn't know what time of day it was for two weeks and started to dissociate from circadian sleep rhythm. That was a pretty good game.

I hear you, just spent 2 days non stop. That "one more turn" is strong with TW. The level up of heroes, lords and the overall tech growth is so addictive.

At the moment I am pretty stuck between Norse loving me in the arse and Chaos roaming every where. Can't really progress much towards victory conditions, but at least my Witchhunter assassin rocks.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:33

Lladre: Jun 28, 2011; Soiled Meat

Serialized Variables was a stretch goal?
What million dollar mark was that one?

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:34

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

Meridian posted:

Check your PMs, fuddy buddy.

I got ya fam

it doesn't look like I can hit a gamescom release, but I'm trying. citcon might have to be it

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:34

Mr.Tophat: Apr 7, 2007; You clearly don't understand joke development

Thoatse posted:

No I don't! he vapidly exclaims as he places $8000 on 42 right before the spinning roulette wheel jittered and flew out of the casino clipping through the cieling

What happens in development, stays in development

Viva las crobberts, hey!

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:35

Theotus: Nov 8, 2014

TheAgent posted:

I got ya fam

it doesn't look like I can hit a gamescom release, but I'm trying. citcon might have to be it

Either way dude. That's amazing. You gotta fill me in on steam or discord or something.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:36

Mr.Tophat: Apr 7, 2007; You clearly don't understand joke development

The new product from the people who brought you Stretch Armstrong, Stretch Goals! Moving the goalposts has never been easier!

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:36

Theotus: Nov 8, 2014

Hey Tophat, I decided I'm going to get hammered and play Total War when I get home. Come hang out and prevent me from doing unreasonably stupid poo poo.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:41

toanoradian: May 31, 2011; The happiest waffligator

Thanks for the explanations of delta patching, everybody.

Man, I've been following this thread on and off and SC still find a way to baffle. Making BDSSE sure is hard

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:43

Mr.Tophat: Apr 7, 2007; You clearly don't understand joke development

Meridian posted:

Hey Tophat, I decided I'm going to get hammered and play Total War when I get home. Come hang out and prevent me from doing unreasonably stupid poo poo.

Okay, awesome. Where should I be hanging out friend?

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:45

Theotus: Nov 8, 2014

Mr.Tophat posted:

Okay, awesome. Where should I be hanging out friend?

I won't be home for about a half hour, but I'll PM you the link.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:47

Tokyo Sexwale: Jul 30, 2003

Toops posted:

Ok.

lmao you're the best Toops

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:48

Sarsapariller: Aug 14, 2015; Occasional vampire queen

ManofManyAliases posted:

chris roberts is transitioning away from any game or art design to focus more on company matters (not true, although no one really knows this because no one has directly asked him)
someone close to chris (sean tracy??) will be handling all end stage design and art approvals (again, not true because erin/sean/brian have been involved with these types of role all year now)
expect 3.0 features in 2018 at the minimum (not true, although 3.0 technically has not been delivered yet)
sqlude is still scheduled for this year (speculation - no one really knows the answer)
sqlude is working off a different engine branch than 2.6/3.0 (???) (it's been stated that they'll leverage code and assets from PU, and now lumberyard. Again, speculation).
mocapped assets are undergoing redesigns (again) some mocapped characters have changed due to rewrites, causing dialogue to be re-recorded (Ben and Disco have stated that SQ42 MoCap had been completed for some time now. There are mocap sessions, but these are one-offs for PU).
crawling/wall/fast attacking vanduul were too "problematic," will now stand and fire normally (speculation - literally no information about this at all - yet to be seen).
AI still broken (shooting through walls, instakilling the player, animations not firing correctly, spazzing out into the great beyond on death anim) (not true as we have seen AI updates in recent ATVs and no mention of ongoing bugs/blockers in this regard)
netcode still broken (according to the schedule update, netcode in relation to UI changes is code complete and serialization was bumped out to 3.1)
updated design docs are forthcoming and will detail some (They use Jira, Shotgun and other apps for project management. They've had project designs created and fleshed out for over a year now)
"minor" changes to scope (as is the case with this project since 2012 - not any special news)
larger ships with full player crews will be hamstrung fighting against AI ships until problems are fixed (complete speculation - no way to know)
larger battles are still not possible (2018/2019 minimum) and SC will focus more on smaller player driven skirmishes (complete speculation, although a combination of AWS and a recent release of v1.0 of "yojimbo" by the network protocol company suggests that this isn't really an issue)
end year sales "barely put our nostrils above water" ( historical data shows that end-year sales are always pretty strong/significant. Absolutely no basis for the quote, and without access to the financials, this is - again - speculation).

I'm not sure when you are classifying these as "right predictions" when practically non are true or are complete speculation.

So what you're saying is that six months ago, a bunch of information was leaked that would be easily disproven by a single video, or release. And after half a year of time, the best counter-argument you've got is "Yeah well you can't prove it they haven't shown anything it could be that none of this is true."

You've got him there, dude. As long as CIG never releases anything, I guess they're doing alright.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:49

Viscous Soda: Apr 24, 2004

Dante80 posted:

Of course there would be a Bitcoin thread.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/bitcoin

And, of course there would be civilization collapse plans inside, after the failure of non gold aligned fiat currency.

Reminds me of this.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:49

Mr.Tophat: Apr 7, 2007; You clearly don't understand joke development

Meridian posted:

I won't be home for about a half hour, but I'll PM you the link.

Sweet. I'm gunna build some joke greenskin armies, just in case you fancy some multiplayer

# ? Jul 31, 2017 21:50

Toops: Nov 5, 2015; -find mood stabilizers
-also,

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

I enjoy it - I've encompassed Star Citizen's continued and unending story into my personal narrative, any major changes to it would be disruptive perhaps to the point of psychosis

I watched a ted talk about that by some guy that looked like a child molester. But I agree.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 22:03

Space Crabs: Mar 10, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

ManofManyAliases posted:

chris roberts is transitioning away from any game or art design to focus more on company matters (not true, although no one really knows this because no one has directly asked him)
someone close to chris (sean tracy??) will be handling all end stage design and art approvals (again, not true because erin/sean/brian have been involved with these types of role all year now)
expect 3.0 features in 2018 at the minimum (not true, although 3.0 technically has not been delivered yet)
sqlude is still scheduled for this year (speculation - no one really knows the answer)
sqlude is working off a different engine branch than 2.6/3.0 (???) (it's been stated that they'll leverage code and assets from PU, and now lumberyard. Again, speculation).
mocapped assets are undergoing redesigns (again) some mocapped characters have changed due to rewrites, causing dialogue to be re-recorded (Ben and Disco have stated that SQ42 MoCap had been completed for some time now. There are mocap sessions, but these are one-offs for PU).
crawling/wall/fast attacking vanduul were too "problematic," will now stand and fire normally (speculation - literally no information about this at all - yet to be seen).
AI still broken (shooting through walls, instakilling the player, animations not firing correctly, spazzing out into the great beyond on death anim) (not true as we have seen AI updates in recent ATVs and no mention of ongoing bugs/blockers in this regard)
netcode still broken (according to the schedule update, netcode in relation to UI changes is code complete and serialization was bumped out to 3.1)
updated design docs are forthcoming and will detail some (They use Jira, Shotgun and other apps for project management. They've had project designs created and fleshed out for over a year now)
"minor" changes to scope (as is the case with this project since 2012 - not any special news)
larger ships with full player crews will be hamstrung fighting against AI ships until problems are fixed (complete speculation - no way to know)
larger battles are still not possible (2018/2019 minimum) and SC will focus more on smaller player driven skirmishes (complete speculation, although a combination of AWS and a recent release of v1.0 of "yojimbo" by the network protocol company suggests that this isn't really an issue)
end year sales "barely put our nostrils above water" ( historical data shows that end-year sales are always pretty strong/significant. Absolutely no basis for the quote, and without access to the financials, this is - again - speculation).

I'm not sure when you are classifying these as "right predictions" when practically non are true or are complete speculation.

Please try and dig yourself out of your hole by using every one of theagents posts, not whichever one you can pedantically argue with the best. Thanks.

Also loving lol at some of your retorts there.

"NOT TRUE! ATV didn't mention it!"

Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Space Crabs fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jul 31, 2017

# ? Jul 31, 2017 22:07

trucutru: Jul 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

Lladre posted:

Serialized Variables was a stretch goal?
What million dollar mark was that one?

You seem to have a misunderstanding here, when they say Serialized Variables they don't mean serialized variables as you learn to do in Comp301. Their serialized variables are different, and much better, and have never been done before.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 22:12

Tippis: Mar 21, 2008; It's yet another day in the wasteland.

trucutru posted:

You seem to have a misunderstanding here, when they say Serialized Variables they don't mean serialized variables as you learn to do in Comp301. Their serialized variables are different, and much better, and have never been done before.

Yeah, theirs are serialised more like Garfield � the same three panes, repeated endlessly, with some random words put in as a �joke�.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 22:14

Raskolnikov: Nov 25, 2003

Every terrible whale on Reddit reading this: please back more. I want to go to Citizencon2018 and only your hard earned money will get me there.

I have a desperate need to discuss anime with goons.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 22:17

his nibs: Feb 27, 2016; Welcome to the
Dream Factory; Grimey Drawer

Star Citizen is bad

e: lol excellent page snipeage recently

his nibs fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jul 31, 2017

# ? Jul 31, 2017 22:22

Mr.Tophat: Apr 7, 2007; You clearly don't understand joke development

his nibs posted:

Star Citizen is bad

Close thread

We finally have the pithy conclusion we've been hunting for since the beginning

# ? Jul 31, 2017 22:23

Quavers: Feb 26, 2016; You clearly don't understand game development

Virtual Captain posted:

Yo MoMA,

No 3.0 for regular backers in June or July. Probably longer when Chris puts everyone on Gamescom duty.
No mining of any kind in 2017.

Virtual Captain posted:

* unzips *

# ? Jul 31, 2017 22:24

his nibs: Feb 27, 2016; Welcome to the
Dream Factory; Grimey Drawer

Mr.Tophat posted:

Close thread

We finally have the pithy conclusion we've been hunting for since the beginning

Here to serve the Stimpire :tipshat:

# ? Jul 31, 2017 22:24

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

Raskolnikov posted:

really?

Game Development Relationship Status: It's Complicated.

Lets see how much he values his talents and sanity.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 22:27

Mr.Tophat: Apr 7, 2007; You clearly don't understand joke development

his nibs posted:

Here to serve the Stimpire

Do you charge your phone using the worst kind of electricity? I lost my phone charger and I'm wondering if I can hook it up to my all in one deskeletonisation chair

# ? Jul 31, 2017 22:28

Theotus: Nov 8, 2014

Prep the eternators.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 22:30

his nibs: Feb 27, 2016; Welcome to the
Dream Factory; Grimey Drawer

Mr.Tophat posted:

Do you charge your phone using the worst kind of electricity? I lost my phone charger and I'm wondering if I can hook it up to my all in one deskeletonisation chair

The power of Chris compels you!
The power of Chris compels you!
The power of Chris compels you!
The power of Chris compels you!

# ? Jul 31, 2017 22:32

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 12:05

Tippis: Mar 21, 2008; It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Mr.Tophat posted:

Do you charge your phone using the worst kind of electricity? I lost my phone charger and I'm wondering if I can hook it up to my all in one deskeletonisation chair

You can, but it'll make the phone only receive telemarketing calls and also the antenna will automatically be tuned to christian rock stations, making them play at full volume instead of any beep, ringtone, camera click, or other noise the phone is supposed to make.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 22:34

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