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The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Sentient Data posted:

Cool, that's a great idea, I'll tell my cousin to hop on that bus after he takes a couple grand out of his bank account (which has a -22.52 balance) for apartment/utility deposits and remind him to go to his non-existent new job the next day

just leave. seriously. find seasonal work in alaska and hawaii. i did seasonal work in alaska for five months and saved about 13,000 USD. they house you, they help pay for you to get to the lodge, you get to eat in the employee dining room. and you get to live in a state park in alaska.

i did seasonal work in coastal north carolina. i did it in ogden utah.

they have this in wyoming. the rocky mountains. the keys. ranches in montana. hawaii. alaska.

there's a lot of work out there that if you work hard and are not a total gently caress up, you can save a good 5-10k over the course of half a year.

i spent 2 years tramping the US for fun and ended up saving money by doing season work. there's definitely ways to do it. i don't know how much poo poo your cousin has but tell him to start looking for better poo poo outside of crawfordsville, ohio, or wherever the hell he is.

i worked on a fishing boat in san diego one summer during grad school just for shits and giggles, didn't know a single thing about fishing, worked illegally with three other guys from tijuana, lived on the boat, got breakfast and lunch for free, saved about 4k one summer.

there's a ton of poo poo out there like that. you don't need to take out thousands of dollars to move. just find something better and go do it.

if you save up 10k you can move to any good place in the united states, get six months of an apartment, find a local coffee shop to read at/polish your skills/tune your resume/start working.

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The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
like, seriously. tell your cousin to look for something like this.

https://g.co/kgs/5qsk1d

i worked for princess for 5 months in denali, won an awarded, and got bombarded with job offers to other seasonal places/ranches/the keys. just go and do good work and don't be a total gently caress up and save like 6k-8k and you'll get offers for more work.

the guy who ran the entire mckinley lodge restaurants started off as a backwaiter in F&B there like 15 years ago.

if you're honestly looking for more seasonal work a bunch of the people i worked with in alaska in 2008 are still doing seasonal work and i can ask them for lodges or whatever in the rockies or the keys or alaska and what's good and bad.

tell your cousin to get off their rear end and go find something that gets them out of their town and allows them to save some cash somewhere.

Zo
Feb 22, 2005

LIKE A FOX
i like how the bare minimum you guys are willing to move for is like a 3 bedroom condo in a gated community with valet service and poo poo. i need thousands of dollars to move in!!!

newsflash people are always looking for roommates and poo poo

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

I was born in Crawdad Holler and I'll die in Crawdad Holler. I hear the Piggly Wiggly's hiring.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

gleebster posted:

And when I fail to get a job in this anywhere, not only do I have nowhere to stay, but I am hundreds of miles away from anyone who knows me well enough to sleep on his couch.

ffs if you are this unemployable or lack the skills to find a place to stay, absolutely do not leave the job you currently have

i showed up in wrighstville beach with a few hundred bucks in my pocket, went to a bar, and that night met a girl that offered me the couch in her study for 100 bucks a month. got a job the next day washing dishes at a bar on the beach next to where i met my new roommate. yeah i lived on honey nut cheerios and bud light for the first two weeks but i also volunteered a lot at UNC-W and they gave out free donuts and coffee if you volunteered. that was cool and good.

Jim Barris
Aug 13, 2009

The Great Autismo! posted:

ffs if you are this unemployable or lack the skills to find a place to stay, absolutely do not leave the job you currently have

i showed up in wrighstville beach with a few hundred bucks in my pocket, went to a bar, and that night met a girl that offered me the couch in her study for 100 bucks a month. got a job the next day washing dishes at a bar on the beach next to where i met my new roommate. yeah i lived on honey nut cheerios and bud light for the first two weeks but i also volunteered a lot at UNC-W and they gave out free donuts and coffee if you volunteered. that was cool and good.
Yeah, duh, it's possible to just make poo poo work but you could of easily been homeless for weeks.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.
Here's a great high paying seasonal opportunity:



:colbert:

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
probably won't pay for you to get to Alaska and put you up and feed you but yeah 35/hr is p good

Alaska has a ton of opportunity in the summer and fall.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.
You know what lyft is right?

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
I've lived in Asia for almost a decade but I think it's a car sharing service? I dunno I've never used it. I don't really know what it has to do wth seasonal work, but the money is good so if you're in anchorage give it a go I guess? I dunno; has nothing to do with what I was talking about

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Also you don't need high paying season stuff. Anything works when they pay for your housing and food like almost all places do.

Especially if you're complaining about being 22 dollars in debt.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
you dont need a job in alaska, just trap fur animals :rolleyes:

Mr.Pibbleton
Feb 3, 2006

Aleuts rock, chummer.

Rutibex posted:

you dont need a job in alaska, just trap fur animals :rolleyes:

I knew someone who did that, eventually though they got a girlfriend and moved to a city and got a job installing security systems. They got on the job training for it too!

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty

Thin Privilege posted:

At first I was going to be like, "holy poo poo that's awesome! I need to finish applying for disability!" But then I remembered some goon saying that they were going to cut off his/her disability benefits because they worked too many hours (something stupid like over 8 hours a week was too much). So either way you end up living below the poverty line. God bless America :patriot:

Yeah, note the next statement after the part you highlighted. I'm up poo poo creek because I'm too sick (genetic based kidney failure. Been dealing with it my whole life) to get a job that would pay well enough for me to survive on, yet it's very unlikely for me to find even a lovely part time job (probably with heavy standing and manual labor, which my body can't easily handle due to the strains of dialysis, not to mention coordinating a schedule around that a workplace would be willing to do) that doesn't automatically take away all my aid and leave me completely unable to stay alive. :911:

du -hast
Mar 12, 2003

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT GENTOO
Why move to Alaska when you can just hand-write Bibles? smdh millenials

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


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E: i think this is getting off topic for what the thread is about. I got a job working retail as a Christmas hire at TK Maxx while at university, it sucked.

simplefish fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Aug 1, 2017

strap on revenge
Apr 8, 2011

that's my thing that i say

MC Hawking posted:

I put a very large sign in the front window of the store at eye level stating "NO PUBLIC RESTROOM" complete with red underlining and bold italicized font and I still get asked multiple times a shift if I'll let them into the back of the store unsupervised to take a wicked dump. Usually a "Sorry can't let anyone in the back with the loose stock" will suffice but sometimes you get some screechy harpie who has a meltdown about it and threatens to take my staffers eyeballs out.

The few times I've had to kick people out of the store is for sneaking into the back to take a wicked dump. Motherfucker, nobody else on staff cleans the goddamn bathroom but me I am not your potential personal butthole attendant. There's a goddamn CHAIN bolted into the walls with a "STAFF ONLY" sign on it. I make it very goddamn clear there is no public restroom precisely because of the above stories. Ignore at your own peril and get bent.

Also theft will get you D/Ced and banned.

this post reminded me that one time we found porn mags hidden in the roof above the toilet in our stock room. the only people who had access were staff and the truck drivers who delivered our stock so the bathroom was probably covered in some deadbeat truck driver's jizz

Frazzbo
Feb 2, 2006

Thistle dubh

strap on revenge posted:

this post reminded me that one time we found porn mags hidden in the roof above the toilet in our stock room. the only people who had access were staff and the truck drivers who delivered our stock so the bathroom was probably covered in some deadbeat truck driver's jizz

Bet you still looked at it though! :wiggle:

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

The Great Autismo! posted:

just leave. seriously. find seasonal work in alaska and hawaii. i did seasonal work in alaska for five months and saved about 13,000 USD. they house you, they help pay for you to get to the lodge, you get to eat in the employee dining room. and you get to live in a state park in alaska.

if you save up 10k you can move to any good place in the united states, get six months of an apartment, find a local coffee shop to read at/polish your skills/tune your resume/start working.

Have you literally never heard of the term "wage slave"?

People working multiple jobs, 60 or 70 hours a week and barely breaking even? Too exhausted to do anything except survive? These are the people who work retail.

The Great Autismo! posted:

i showed up in wrighstville beach with a few hundred bucks in my pocket...


Look, read this articles from 2010:

Study finds median wealth for single black women at $5

quote:

Women of all races bring home less income and own fewer assets, on average, than men of the same race, but for single black women the disparities are so overwhelmingly great that even in their prime working years their median wealth amounts to only $5.


Please tell me how a woman with an entire $5 to her name is going to move loving anywhere?

I know you're having a wonderful time looking down on these people, calling them lazy and stupid and spitting on them from your high horse.

But the word you should be using to describe them is trapped.

Trapped and with no realistic with no way out - no matter how easy you may have had it.

You're a lottery winner telling people to sell everything and buy scratchie tickets. Hey, it worked for you :shrug:

Your condescension just makes their lovely lives that little bit worse.


I managed to get out of that life through huge effort and no small amount of luck, but I'll never look down on someone because they're stuck being poor.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

YeahTubaMike posted:

I never worked retail, but I did a considerable amount of tech support. One day, during my two weeks' notice, I got a completely uneventful call from some random person and helped him as I helped everyone else. A couple of hours later, my boss called me into his office.

My boss, who was generally a good guy but a spineless asswipe at work, asked me if I was having any issues, and I told him no. He asked me if I was sure, and I said "If there's something you want to tell/ask me, please just tell me, I'm not going to be upset." He told me something along the lines of "I know you put in your notice, but you still have to work like everyone else" and at this point, I was angry because he hadn't just come out with it AND confused because I had no idea what the gently caress he was talking about.

At any rate, this random rear end in a top hat who I talked to for probably less than two minutes accused me of being short/rude with him, making fun of his PMBR score when I thought I was on mute (note: to this day, I don't even know what a good/bad PMBR score is), and hanging up on him. I told my boss that the customer was lying for reasons I did not understand and that he could ask anyone within earshot how my call went & they'd tell him. My boss did not believe me. gently caress my boss, and gently caress that guy.

Was this before they recorded calls? Or do they even record calls now?

Former DILF posted:

Welfare queen job with a pension??? Thats pretty privileged dude, even office workers dont get pensions anymore

False. Welfare isn't a job and queens aren't allowed in the military. :colbert:

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Gorilla Salad posted:

You're a lottery winner telling people to sell everything and buy scratchie tickets. Hey, it worked for you :shrug:

Living in poverty + "God controls everything" mentality + crippling gambling addiction = no way out

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

The Great Autismo! posted:

if you save up 10k you can move to any good place in the united states, get six months of an apartment, find a local coffee shop to read at/polish your skills/tune your resume/start working.
So what's it like being president these days?

Zo
Feb 22, 2005

LIKE A FOX

Gorilla Salad posted:

Have you literally never heard of the term "wage slave"?

People working multiple jobs, 60 or 70 hours a week and barely breaking even? Too exhausted to do anything except survive? These are the people who work retail.



Look, read this articles from 2010:

Study finds median wealth for single black women at $5




Please tell me how a woman with an entire $5 to her name is going to move loving anywhere?

I know you're having a wonderful time looking down on these people, calling them lazy and stupid and spitting on them from your high horse.

But the word you should be using to describe them is trapped.

Trapped and with no realistic with no way out - no matter how easy you may have had it.

You're a lottery winner telling people to sell everything and buy scratchie tickets. Hey, it worked for you :shrug:

Your condescension just makes their lovely lives that little bit worse.


I managed to get out of that life through huge effort and no small amount of luck, but I'll never look down on someone because they're stuck being poor.

most people stuck in retail hell aren't getting out because they are literally the dumbest few % of the population, and that's their lot in life

this goes for most retail goons too, as harsh as it sounds. of course a bunch do have the potential and willpower to get out at some point. they're not the ones crying bootstraps at the thought of attempting to improve any aspect of their situation though.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Gorilla Salad posted:

Have you literally never heard of the term "wage slave"?

People working multiple jobs, 60 or 70 hours a week and barely breaking even? Too exhausted to do anything except survive? These are the people who work retail.



Look, read this articles from 2010:

Study finds median wealth for single black women at $5




Please tell me how a woman with an entire $5 to her name is going to move loving anywhere?

I know you're having a wonderful time looking down on these people, calling them lazy and stupid and spitting on them from your high horse.

But the word you should be using to describe them is trapped.

Trapped and with no realistic with no way out - no matter how easy you may have had it.

You're a lottery winner telling people to sell everything and buy scratchie tickets. Hey, it worked for you :shrug:

Your condescension just makes their lovely lives that little bit worse.


I managed to get out of that life through huge effort and no small amount of luck, but I'll never look down on someone because they're stuck being poor.

yes I understand people feel trapped. I'm telling them to check out seasonal work so they can save some money. Seasonal work pays for you to get out there (you can pay them back over the season), puts you up and gives you employee meals.

If you're working 60 hours a week and barely breaking even, something isn't working. Go find something else.

It's probably too late to apply for seasonal work in Alaska now but the Keys and the Rockies will both be hiring. Cruise ships are hiring year round as well.

They may not be career moves but you can at least save a few thousand bucks so your bank account doesn't read -22 or whatever like that person's cousin.

Also I don't think they are lazy or stupid. Calm down, lol

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Zo posted:

most people stuck in retail hell aren't getting out because they are literally the dumbest few % of the population, and that's their lot in life


IDK. I've got a friend who's "trapped" in retail.

I guess it is a kind of stupidity, but it's just no self control or ability to think past the end of his nose.

He's in his early 40's and still lives paycheck to paycheck and won't follow a budget (I've made him several that would have him living a good, stress free (financially) life by now).

Dude literally eats half his paycheck every month at restaurants.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
So inequality is just people getting what they deserve, good to know.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Inescapable Duck posted:

So inequality is just people getting what they deserve, good to know.

Absolutely not. We're all trapped by circumstances completely and totally beyond our control. There's nothing that a person could ever do to change them even a little bit..

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

The Great Autismo! posted:

So, the first scratchie ticket I had given to me said "White"

The next one said "Male"

Then the third one I was given said "Born into the Middle Class"

But being oblivious? That's something I chose to become.


Poor people deserve to be poor, it's all their own fault. Thanks for the heads up.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS
Everyone in this thread is a horrible customer of something awful dot com

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Gorilla Salad posted:

Poor people deserve to be poor, it's all their own fault. Thanks for the heads up.

exactly what I meant, appreciate the translation

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Inescapable Duck posted:

So inequality is just people getting what they deserve, good to know.

correct:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcEWRykSgwE

Rutibex fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Aug 1, 2017

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
ffs is anyone able to have a conversation with even a semblance of nuance

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020
Even if it's true that absolutely anyone can get out of retail, that doesn't mean everyone can. Imagine if all ~5 million retail sales workers in the US quit today and went to take seasonal work in Alaska. Would the Alaskan economy and infrastructure really be able to sustain that many new job seekers without massive economic and social problems? That's ignoring all the problems we'll have here in the Lower 48 when 5 million people just up and leave.

I guess what I'm saying is: thank you for your sacrifice, retail workers. You earn the not-so-big bucks so the rest of us can buy all the dumb consumer bullshit we want in comfort and convenience. :patriot:

Pththya-lyi fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Aug 1, 2017

Mr.Pibbleton
Feb 3, 2006

Aleuts rock, chummer.

I'm working at a commissary and sometimes I have to inform people that as a federal employee I can't accept coupons that expired during a previous presidential administration. :kiddo:

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Pththya-lyi posted:

Even if it's true that absolutely anyone can get out of retail, that doesn't mean everyone can. Imagine if all ~5 million retail sales workers in the US quit today and went to take seasonal work in Alaska. Would the Alaskan economy and infrastructure really be able to sustain that many new job seekers without massive economic and social problems?

I guess what I'm saying is: thank you for your sacrifice, retail workers. You earn the not-so-big bucks so the rest of us can buy all the dumb consumer bullshit we want in comfort and convenience. :patriot:

yes i don't think it would be sustainable if literally every single person in retail up and left to move to alaska. that might throw a wrench into the plan of the person who is 22 dollars in debt and is having trouble saving money.

look, no one is suggesting every single person leave retail. i was just trying to offer a suggestion of a way to start saving money. now, like someone above said, if you're bad with money then it doesn't really matter if you save it or not. my old co-worker from china saved about 11k while he was there and went back to indianapolis and is down to last few hundred bucks a year later. dude blew it all in a year living at home. i was just talking to him a few days ago about it.

seasonal work is for everyone. the girl i dated in alaska was native american. there were people from all over europe and asia working there because they couldn't find enough people from the States to take the jobs. now, of course 5 million people can't go there. and yes, retail is important. and i'm not looking down on people that work retail. i worked retail for three years in high school and college. i know it's difficult. i'm saying that if you find yourself in debt and you're working a wage slave job like gorilla salad is moaning about, then it's probably time to start looking for something us, because working a wage slave job is not sustainable. you can't continue to do that. so i was trying to offer a suggestion or perhaps a path that often goes overlooked, which is actually a really great way to save money, regardless of your gender, race, sexual identity, ethnicity or BMI.

i guess if people don't want to hear about ways to improve their lives and just want to continue being a wage slave, then by all means, keep on keeping on.

Starman Super DX
Oct 17, 2011

This title text is surprisingly sturdy.

The Great Autismo! posted:

i guess if people don't want to hear about ways to improve their lives and just want to continue being a wage slave, then by all means, keep on keeping on.

hello, meet

Starman Super DX posted:


-This isn't the career advice thread. Nobody is asking for it. Nobody wants to hear it. Nobody is going to quit their job to hand write bibles for a living like a psychopath.


I get that you mean well, but I put this in the OP because people are here to read stories, not to read slap fights about how feasible or unfeasible their career prospects are.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Starman Super DX posted:

I get that you mean well, but I put this in the OP because people are here to read stories, not to read slap fights about how feasible or unfeasible their career prospects are.

apologies, didn't see this and/or glossed over it. i'll bow out and sorry for the derail.

Starman Super DX
Oct 17, 2011

This title text is surprisingly sturdy.

The Great Autismo! posted:

apologies, didn't see this and/or glossed over it. i'll bow out and sorry for the derail.

nbd! at least the derail has almost gotten me my first thread to get up to forty pages :kiddo:

Here's a story that may cause some debate, I wasn't sure if I wanted to share it at first but here we go-

Quarter to closing, two older (mid to late fifties) ladies come in, mostly drunk, etc. They do a number of small annoying things that rub me the wrong way, including one going to the bathroom for ten minutes before slowwwwwwwly making their purchase before closing. Of course I'm giving her (the lady paying, although both of them are annoying the hell out of me) the death stare. She gives me the whole "you should smile more" cliché. As I give her her change, she goes to give me two dollars.
Now I'll point out that I really am hard up for money. Every dollar in my wallet is a big deal to me at the moment, albeit only for a little extra spending money week to week.
Without missing a beat, I refused. She insisted in dismay, and again I said "no, thank you." She says the smile more thing again and leaves.

So I mean yeah, the store policy says I'm not supposed to take tips so for the most part, I don't unless I have some kind of good spirited report with the customer. This is of course after I deny it once and they continue to insist and shove it in my hand.

This, however, was one of the very rare occasions where someone tries to literally buy a smile off of me. I know that might sound ridiculous, but upon handing me her glorious two whole loving dollars I'm supposed to say "wow gee whiz thanks drunk ladies I like you now! Imma buy me a candy bar after work!"
I might take like five bucks. That's lunch at least and to me that's a fairly generous chunk of pocket change and thus a more genuine gesture on her part. But come on, two bucks? I would take two bucks if I just had a simple interaction with a normal, friendly customer who throws it at me and leaves, that's not the same situation. Plus if I took the money and didn't reciprocate in some friendly way you know she would have just complained to someone.

So that's that. Tell me I'm a dumb goon for not taking the two dollars.

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

Starman Super DX posted:

So that's that. Tell me I'm a dumb goon for not taking the two dollars.
If you had taken it she would have complained anyways for you not smiling enough and you'd likely be out the job.

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Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

spacetoaster posted:

False. Welfare isn't a job and queens aren't allowed in the military. :colbert:

False, one got taken out of Ft. Drum for running a prostitution ring.

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