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It's mostly a humour thing yeah, but it's also showing that the Grail's veneer of piety is paper thin and they're basically just thugs with religion.
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The final trial being a pistol range, I'm like, oh my god they're not even pretending to care about "real" results
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Love that the one dude who made it all the way to the end was super-earnest and just tried his best. He's the kind of guy who would burn out/get taken out within a few weeks if he'd won because he was just too sincere for his own good.
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Tiggum posted:I know this isn't the most serious or plausible show, but that whole recruitment process was really dumb. Especially the way they were just OK with him killing their dudes and other recruits. That isn't the sort of behaviour you want in a recruit for anything! Even assassins have to be restrained enough to only kill the people you want them to kill! And which part of "violent psychopath with poor impulse control" says "leadership potential"? I don't think he killed the other recruits and they were probably cool with him killing that last guy because he was too good a person. Just because he won all the contests doesn't mean he's the right guy. You have to be willing to kill a Lincoln or a Belushi without hesitation. TV show Herr Star is so much better than comic book Herr Star. Edit: beaten on why the last guy needed to die. The final test wasn't whether you could shoot the target, but whether you survived.
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That higher up from the Guild looked really familiar, wasn't he in the Austin Power's movies
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achillesforever6 posted:That higher up from the Guild looked really familiar, wasn't he in the Austin Power's movies Nope
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Krispy Kareem posted:I don't think he killed the other recruits and they were probably cool with him killing that last guy because he was too good a person. Just because he won all the contests doesn't mean he's the right guy. You have to be willing to kill a Lincoln or a Belushi without hesitation. I didn't mean he killed all the other recruits. And if their tests don't test for the qualities they're looking for, what's the point of them?
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Aug 1, 2017 18:10
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Tiggum posted:I didn't mean he killed all the other recruits. And if their tests don't test for the qualities they're looking for, what's the point of them? You talk like the test didn't get them the exact candidate they wanted.
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Aug 1, 2017 18:16
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Also, we're getting The Messiah, too. I really hope it's someone off-the-wall like Gilbert Gottfried.
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Aug 1, 2017 18:35
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Turtlicious posted:"And thank you for this... Opportunity" was pretty fuckin' amazing too, I like this guy a lot better then SoK Saw that coming a mile away. Also called him shooting the other candidate. Was too obvious for Starr's character, but still good to see play out. That said, you'd think Starr would wait like a day or two to find out how The Grail operates before killing the guy and assuming he knows how to take over. But then again, I guess that's Starr.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Also, we're getting The Messiah, too. I really hope it's someone off-the-wall like Gilbert Gottfried. This would be loving amazing, but honestly I hope they go the route of Terry from Reno 911, not necessarily "gay" but you know what I mean I think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etyH2OUxVuQ
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Zaphod42 posted:Saw that coming a mile away. Also called him shooting the other candidate. Was too obvious for Starr's character, but still good to see play out. Yeah, that's really one of those scenes where rule of cool wins out over practicality. Having it all happen in one scene is just less awkward to put on film even if it is kind of hokey the moment you apply any real thought to it.
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Starr is very promising but the show's just kind of ambling along without a particular focus right now.
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Hidingo Kojimba posted:Yeah, that's really one of those scenes where rule of cool wins out over practicality. Having it all happen in one scene is just less awkward to put on film even if it is kind of hokey the moment you apply any real thought to it. I gotta say that whole scene where the Grail dude was going on about "revelation" and "inspiration" was back-lit by that incredible sun-and-clouds over London... yeah, that was pretty revelatory and inspiring. Really great visuals.
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I did laugh at VIETNAM, because Ennis. I'm sure if we get into Cass' backstory at all we're getting IRELAND.
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SimonChris posted:
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Tiggum posted:I didn't mean he killed all the other recruits. And if their tests don't test for the qualities they're looking for, what's the point of them? Look at this chump who hasn't seen Men in Black
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I can see the Grail not caring out the recruits who lost, they're losers anyways. The fighting dude killed or at least maimed several himself. What I don't understand is how things work in the Grail now. Is Starr in charge? It seemed like he got his way up to second command and then pushed the leader off the balcony, but then he's out in the field, checking in and receiving orders from someone else.
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He's part of one division of the Grail, the military wing. There are other groups that ultimately report up, assuming they stay in line with the comic. I am impressed at how they adapted his recruiting, though I fully expected the unarmed combat section to be like the book and he'd shoot the wrestler and note "I have no intention of ever being unarmed".
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counterfeitsaint posted:I can see the Grail not caring out the recruits who lost, they're losers anyways. The fighting dude killed or at least maimed several himself. He's in charge of Sampson unit, but no he's not in charge of the Grail completely... its ambiguous in the show so far though. You don't really know, we haven't had time but you'll probably find out more about that very soon. The show better include the allfather
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This Herr Starr deserves to get to play out War in the Sun
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It was a little confusing how it was supposed to play out with all those recruits, but all they wanted was one winner so it didn’t matter what happened to the others. I hope they get someone good to play the Messiah. So far the casting has been spot on.
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It helps if you think of it as getting into a gang or made in the mafia, instead of some sort of government recruitment process. The Grail cares about results not lawsuits, when a sociopath like Starr comes along they'll find a place for him.
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Supreme Allah posted:It helps if you think of it as getting into a gang or made in the mafia, instead of some sort of government recruitment process. The Grail cares about results not lawsuits, when a sociopath like Starr comes along they'll find a place for him. Yep, I really loved his recruitment in the books. He was given the task to assassinate a reporter who knew the truth about the Grail, and had been locked away in a psychiatric ward. "But how do you kill the man without drawing suspicion to his claims?" "We did not expect you to bomb the entire hospital. Hundreds of innocent lives lost.". "Hundreds of possible motives for the bomb.". "... you are in." Starr quickly devolved through the series, but his origin book is fantastic. He's a terrifying man who is driven by logic, not religious zeal, and wants a world with order.
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Tiggum posted:I know this isn't the most serious or plausible show, but that whole recruitment process was really dumb. Especially the way they were just OK with him killing their dudes and other recruits. That isn't the sort of behaviour you want in a recruit for anything! Even assassins have to be restrained enough to only kill the people you want them to kill! And which part of "violent psychopath with poor impulse control" says "leadership potential"? He's the Sacred Executioner of the Grail. That's exactly the kind of killer instinct they want.
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I knew he was gonna shoot the other guy at the end, but I was kind of expecting more than that. Like maybe 5 rounds in the bullseye then finish him off, or 5 rounds in the other guys target going right through the hole he made without making it bigger. I guess that kind of inefficiency is beneath Starr when his goals can be accomplished with one round.
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zeal posted:This Herr Starr deserves to get to play out War in the Sun "Eye haff ahn erektion."
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counterfeitsaint posted:I knew he was gonna shoot the other guy at the end, but I was kind of expecting more than that. Like maybe 5 rounds in the bullseye then finish him off, or 5 rounds in the other guys target going right through the hole he made without making it bigger. I guess that kind of inefficiency is beneath Starr when his goals can be accomplished with one round. More rounds on the target, less time to wank. Everyone knew exactly what he was going to do. It's the way he did it that was so entertaining.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:"Eye haff ahn erektion." one of these days we're gonna gaze upon the face of war
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When Herr Starr began to "self consummate" my girlfriend asked "Would that work?" and was not dissapointed.
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I honestly wonder about that poo poo sometimes. In History has there ever been a life and death struggle where somebody tried something totally batshit as a distraction? It wouldn't always work but you gotta imagine a lot of people would react and suddenly be vulnerable to a surprise attack. Weird, hosed up world we live in.
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Krispy Kareem posted:You talk like the test didn't get them the exact candidate they wanted. Zaphod42 posted:Saw that coming a mile away. Also called him shooting the other candidate. Was too obvious for Starr's character, but still good to see play out. My Lovely Horse posted:Starr is very promising but the show's just kind of ambling along without a particular focus right now. LesterGroans posted:Look at this chump who hasn't seen Men in Black Supreme Allah posted:It helps if you think of it as getting into a gang or made in the mafia, instead of some sort of government recruitment process. The Grail cares about results not lawsuits, when a sociopath like Starr comes along they'll find a place for him.
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Tiggum posted:Would they? Seems like they need people who are willing to kill for the cause, not someone who kills for his own convenience and ambition. At the time those two interests are aligned. So it works. If you're willing to kill for the job application you're probably not gonna be upset killing on the job.
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Medullah posted:Yep, I really loved his recruitment in the books. He was given the task to assassinate a reporter who knew the truth about the Grail, and had been locked away in a psychiatric ward. "But how do you kill the man without drawing suspicion to his claims?" It looks like they're not going to do his comic devolution here, or at least to the same degree, because in the books he doesn't get the hat until ... later 
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Tiggum posted:I know this isn't the most serious or plausible show, but that whole recruitment process was really dumb. Especially the way they were just OK with him killing their dudes and other recruits. That isn't the sort of behaviour you want in a recruit for anything! Even assassins have to be restrained enough to only kill the people you want them to kill! And which part of "violent psychopath with poor impulse control" says "leadership potential"? This show is going over your head isn't it?
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Rocksicles posted:This show is going over your head isn't it? I don't know, why don't you explain it to me?
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Tiggum posted:I don't know, why don't you explain it to me? There are no good guys. You could say there are no smart guys either.
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Tiggum posted:Except in Men in Black they recruited Will Smith despite him failing the test as a special favour to Tommy Lee Jones and it happened to work out. That doesn't mean their test wasn't generally the best way they had for selecting candidates. You should re-watch that scene
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Diddie posted:You should re-watch that scene And the one in MiB II where Will Smith bounces out Patrick Warburton for 'reasons.' MiB wants agents that can be harsh but understanding, while The Grail wants a heartless motherfucker who can waste an entire Vietnamese village in the name of their interests and be all "okay, what's next" afterwards.
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Tiggum posted:Except in Men in Black they recruited Will Smith despite him failing the test as a special favour to Tommy Lee Jones and it happened to work out. That doesn't mean their test wasn't generally the best way they had for selecting candidates. He ran down a cephalopod!
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