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Canemacar posted:It made sense to me. You could tell from his conversation with his copilot on Hoth that Luke moved on from wanting to "take on the whole empire". I got the impression he had realized their fight wasn't going anywhere so he sought out Yoda to become a great warrior and hero and maybe win the war himself. That explains why Yoda is always calling him an idiot who doesn't get it. except fighting was how they won against the empire
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Phi230 posted:except fighting was how they won against the empire I said that's what Luke learned. Mon mothma ain't got time for his hippy bullshit
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Jul 31, 2017 22:26
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Hodgepodge posted:TFA is kind of masterful in that it sets up a huge amount of themes and characters while remaining a blank slate in terms of what it all means. This is literally all Abrams does though. 
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Jul 31, 2017 22:32
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Canemacar posted:I said that's what Luke learned. Mon mothma ain't got time for his hippy bullshit except in Rogue One Mon Mothma is shown as an Imperial Reformist and pacifist forced into conflict through a small group's direct action
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Jul 31, 2017 22:47
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Blamestorm posted:setting up ROTJ (or maybe the ideal Jedi we never got). Is there a story behind this that I can read, or were you just guesstimating?
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Jul 31, 2017 22:47
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Canemacar posted:It made sense to me. You could tell from his conversation with his copilot on Hoth that Luke moved on from wanting to "take on the whole empire". I got the impression he had realized their fight wasn't going anywhere so he sought out Yoda to become a great warrior and hero and maybe win the war himself. That explains why Yoda is always calling him an idiot who doesn't get it. IIRC older scripts for Empire had more dialogue from Luke about this and how disillusioned he was with the rebellion, he's eager to become a Jedi conflicted about if it's so he can totally crush enemies directly/strategically like Vader or just to disconnect from the war completely. Which I guess could be cool because that could make it more suspenseful that like, poo poo maybe he thinks Vader is right after their battle/brief dialogue on Bespin. But I'm very down with what we got and Luke winning by not fighting at the end of RotJ is still awesome and resonates. Stuff like the old Tales of the Jedi and the Old Republic setting go into the whole invisible battle of wills thing Jedi/Sith are sort of having all the time whether they're trying to or not. Like they have Jedi whose jobs are literally to meditate in whatever way lot and that makes some random lucky poo poo happen for the side they're on in a battle. The timing of everything in Return of the Jedi's climax definitely feels shows that off though the way it edits from Luke's situation to how the other two battles are going.
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Jul 31, 2017 23:49
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BarronsArtGallery posted:This is literally all Abrams does though. I always find it funny how much credit/disdain Abrams gets for Lost, and how it's always brought up as, "This is the prime example of what Abrams does", when he only helped them develop the pilot and then stepped away. Like, Abrams did several seasons of some shows, like Alias, which would be a way better example of setting up mysteries and having no idea how to resolve them.
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BarronsArtGallery posted:Is there a story behind this that I can read, or were you just guesstimating? Oh, I only meant that perhaps if Jedi was a bit tighter and more cohesive. It still ended up in the right spot, IMO, the point that Luke ends his journey by finally throwing away the lightsaber is great and does wrap things up. But much of the rest of the film up to that point doesn't quite have as much development of this stuff as Empire, I think, at least for Luke. It's a bit messy about if he's on track to becoming Vader (the black, the choking) or turning away from that - he turns himself in as he feels he's risking his friends again but that whole middle bit doesn't seem to quite link it all up as elegantly as Empire.
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BarronsArtGallery posted:Is there a story behind this that I can read, or were you just guesstimating? I know the person you were quoting was just guesstimating, but if you're ever curious about other versions of Return of the Jedi (which was almost wildly different), you should check out the book The Secret History of Star Wars, which is an unofficial look at all of the scripts, interviews, and stories of how Star Wars evolved over time. I summarized what happened with RotJ in the book barn thread here, as an example: thrawn527 posted:Okay, this is probably going to be long, but here we go. (I'm paraphrasing most of this from The Secret History of Star Wars, so if you've read this, there's nothing new here. If you haven't read it...do it, it's great.)
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There is so official movie art for the lava throne which is cool
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thrawn527 posted:I always find it funny how much credit/disdain Abrams gets for Lost, and how it's always brought up as, "This is the prime example of what Abrams does", when he only helped them develop the pilot and then stepped away. Like, Abrams did several seasons of some shows, like Alias, which would be a way better example of setting up mysteries and having no idea how to resolve them. That show went absolutely off the loving rails but at the same time it had Victor Garber playing an absolute lunatic (as the good guy!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HndMKYnJgxM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrXhPJD2G-M This is probably my favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0qaIvb3bGA
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Baron Porkface posted:It always bothered me that Luke deserted the rebellion. In the adaptions he straight up lies to his sqadmates about rendezvous. Yeah as far as we know Luke is really never functionally a part of the Rebellion again post-Hoth, save him tagging along to Endor and then ducking out as soon as possible. I imagine the rank and file Rebels think he's a total dickhead, just coming and going whenever he pleases, basically never doing anything and resting on his war hero status.
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Blowing up the Death Star prob buys a lot of good will. Plus they're so desperate for people they hand out General titles like candy.
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thrawn527 posted:I always find it funny how much credit/disdain Abrams gets for Lost, and how it's always brought up as, "This is the prime example of what Abrams does", when he only helped them develop the pilot and then stepped away. Like, Abrams did several seasons of some shows, like Alias, which would be a way better example of setting up mysteries and having no idea how to resolve them. Umm... that's exactly what I'm saying? He establishes a universe and then takes off and leaves it in the hands of other writers. I'm not saying it's bad or anything, it's just what he does. And it's probably for the best. Alias is one of the only creations of his that I haven't seen, but he can lay some stinkers once it comes to fleshing out a story beyond the initial introduction of everything.
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Snoke is Palpatine.
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BarronsArtGallery posted:Umm... that's exactly what I'm saying? He establishes a universe and then takes off and leaves it in the hands of other writers. I'm not saying it's bad or anything, it's just what he does. And it's probably for the best. Alias is one of the only creations of his that I haven't seen, but he can lay some stinkers once it comes to fleshing out a story beyond the initial introduction of everything. Oh, my mistake, I thought you were saying he didn't develop themes to fruition in whole projects, not that he drops a bomb and walks away. Yeah, you're right, he totally does that.
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snoke is likely just some fucker - who cares - and only people who watch star wars rebels or read the books will give a hot steamy poo poo
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Fuzz posted:Snoke is Palpatine. Or this continuity's LUUUKE
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General Dog posted:Yeah as far as we know Luke is really never functionally a part of the Rebellion again post-Hoth, save him tagging along to Endor and then ducking out as soon as possible. I don't think I'd agree with that, but it's clear that after Hoth, he's basically outside the Rebellion's normal chain of command. He's the only living Jedi they know of and most of the Rebel leaders are old enough to definitely know and remember what the Jedi were. So once he's been "knighted" by Yoda, he's essentially his own 1-person branch of the military.
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FuturePastNow posted:I don't think I'd agree with that, but it's clear that after Hoth, he's basically outside the Rebellion's normal chain of command. He's the only living Jedi they know of and most of the Rebel leaders are old enough to definitely know and remember what the Jedi were. So once he's been "knighted" by Yoda, he's essentially his own 1-person branch of the military. Luke was a high profile hero, famous for destroying the Death Star. The Rebellion probably wanted to make sure he didn't die or get captured, so they were probably happy to let him go train in some swamp, planning on trotting him out later to build up support, using him as a figure head, or on a token mission here or there. They benefited having him around and alive as a recruitment tool. His faces was probably on posters all over the galaxy. "Join Luke Skywalker and fight the Empire!" Basically, I'm saying he's Katniss. He and Leia risking their lives to save Han at the beginning of RotJ is probably the most pissed they get at both of them. Could have been a massive blow to the Rebellion to lose both of them on something non-Rebellion related.
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basic hitler posted:snoke is likely just some fucker - who cares - and only people who watch star wars rebels or read the books will give a hot steamy poo poo Yeah this should be the answer and the same thing with Rey's parents
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I wonder whether they would dare make Snoke's wealth and power come from the sale of x-wings and TIE fighters
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basic hitler posted:snoke is likely just some fucker - who cares - and only people who watch star wars rebels or read the books will give a hot steamy poo poo I'm curious, because he's set up as the big bad with no foreplay and that irritates me.
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homullus posted:I wonder whether they would dare make Snoke's wealth and power come from the sale of x-wings and TIE fighters Toys.
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homullus posted:I wonder whether they would dare make Snoke's wealth and power come from the sale of x-wings and TIE fighters Probably comes from his branding, his golf courses, and real estate ventures. Oh and Snoke Steaks.
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Aug 1, 2017 22:01
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Luke is a special unit which specifically counters Death Stars.
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he bought out his brothers interests a long time ago but the Snoke Brothers were very influential Republic lobbyists and hyper-pac contributors
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I'm kind of leaning towards the interpretation that there will always be some old Dark Side fucker around to mess up Republics, the Sith were just quietly enforcing a monopoly on the job as part of their master plan.
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Snoke is palpatine.....einhorn is finkle!
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Phi230 posted:Snoke is palpatine.....einhorn is finkle! "The midichlorians were IN, Sheev! They were IN!"
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The most obvious yet awesome reveal would be, as stated in numerous youtube fan theory videos and prequel critiques, that Snoke is Darth Sideous and literally manipulated the midichlorians or force magical ejaculate equivalent to create / make a clone of himself, who is actually Anakin, and thus Luke and Leia are offspring of Sith, oh and also Rey is Han's daughter from some old hookup when he was running around on Leia after Ben became Kylo Ren and now she must deal with the trauma of watching her long-lost dad die in front of her and fight her urges to kill her half-brother in revenge. PS: Disney you can keep your attorneys at bay because this poo poo writes itself basically and we all knew it was coming before you even wrote the poo poo down.
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maybe Snoke was Sheev's mothers maiden name?
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BarronsArtGallery posted:The most obvious yet awesome reveal would be, as stated in numerous youtube fan theory videos and prequel critiques, that Snoke is Darth Sideous and literally manipulated the midichlorians or force magical ejaculate equivalent to create / make a clone of himself, who is actually Anakin, and thus Luke and Leia are offspring of Sith, oh and also Rey is Han's daughter from some old hookup when he was running around on Leia after Ben became Kylo Ren and now she must deal with the trauma of watching her long-lost dad die in front of her and fight her urges to kill her half-brother in revenge. Like, subscribe, and click on the notification bell.
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Jose Oquendo posted:Like, subscribe, and click on the notification bell. Don't be fuckin lazy, just force ghost me
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The most awesome and obvious reveal would be if at that fancy dinner party scene there's a point where Snoke turns around and we notice a third eye on the back of his head.
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Snoke is Shmi Skywalker, who is also Darth Plageius And Palpatine Also Darth Bane
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disjoe posted:
You merely adopted the Dark Side. I was born in it. Molded by it.
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disjoe posted:Snoke is Shmi Skywalker, who is also Darth Plageius Darth Icky
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Why is it that Luke is the only character in the franchise with a normal "earth" (western) name and everyone else has a wacky single or double-syllable made up name? What I'm saying is, is that they're gonna freeze Finn in carbonite
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