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Sandeep posted:North Korean artillery could absolutely hit Seoul. Well you can stop most of them. But that means we're nuking first. In retrospect, war in '94 would have probably been a better idea. At least then nukes wouldn't have been on the table.
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How will I know it's time to murder my neighbors for their food? I don't want to wait too long and have them murder me first. So embarrassing...
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What a hater: "Go ahead April, since you said my name so politely. Somewhat sarcastically."
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Enigma89 posted:With how much they talk about Hillary you would think that she won the election. Jesus christ. The way they've BEEN talking about Hilary since the 90's, you'd think she was the President this entire time.
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Enigma89 posted:Check my post history but I was against the Iraq war and in most cases against any sort of foreign intervention which is why I was against Bush, Obama and Clinton. Nice try though. I didn't say you were for it, I'm saying you're going down the same slide of fearful stupidity that got thousands of Americans killed, tens of thousands of Iraqis killed, and replaced a functional (albeit horrible, but functional) dictatorship with a power vacuum. You want to balkanize the Korean Peninsula? Keep going with this "we must take decisive action!" poo poo.
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JuniperCake posted:Little home on the prairie ruffles but black like she is in mourning. Sounds legit to me.
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April Ryan takes no poo poo from anyone. She's probably my favorite one in that room.
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Chilichimp posted:lol, It's August and NBC has, for the 700th time, insinuated that Trump can finally become the President. Van Jones will be tearfully prostrate himself before the Very Presidential president. The Pivot will go straight into Chai-uh-nya, through North Korea, solving the Asian Conflict.
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Your Taint posted:She is such a repulsive, unpleasant woman. And by "repulsive" I don't mean her looks. She has no conscience, she has no soul, she has no moral center. Bad parenting.
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TheScott2K posted:I didn't say you were for it, I'm saying you're going down the same slide of fearful stupidity that got thousands of Americans killed, tens of thousands of Iraqis killed, and replaced a functional (albeit horrible, but functional) dictatorship with a power vacuum. You want to balkanize the Korean Peninsula? Keep going with this "we must take decisive action!" poo poo. IMO balkanize the world
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STAC Goat posted:Bad parenting. Speaking of bad parenting. https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/892455062621966336
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Lightning Lord posted:I really don't think China is going to declare war on the US if North Korea is invaded. They treat them as an embarrassing poor relation from what I understand, not a staunch ally who must be protected with some kind of equivalent of Article 5. Most likely they'd get really mad, slap some kind of sanctions on the US and harden the border and man their anti-refugee weapons platforms. No reason for China to declare war or even sanction the US when all they have to do is wait 5 years for us to collapse from the costs of starting another unwinnable war.
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Lightning Lord posted:I really don't think China is going to declare war on the US if North Korea is invaded. They treat them as an embarrassing poor relation from what I understand, not a staunch ally who must be protected with some kind of equivalent of Article 5. Most likely they'd get really mad, slap some kind of sanctions on the US and harden the border and man their anti-refugee weapons platforms. My understanding isn't war between us and them. More likely that they have a certain vested interested in NK economically/geographically/etc that we don't. If the US tries to roll tank columns into NK my understanding is a non-zero chance China does the same to secure as much territory as they can for their own needs.
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farraday posted:Speaking of bad parenting. What about Stanley? http://imgur.com/gallery/GMJTI
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Sandeep posted:North Korean artillery could absolutely hit Seoul. I''ll direct you to RAND straight away https://www.rand.org/topics/north-korea.html I have that old report here somewhere if you can't find it there. The takeaway is that NoKo tube artillery could reach the northern Seoul suburbs and no further + ROK has painstakingly scouted out all the prepared and possible positions over a span of decades. It's the scud missiles that constitutes the danger. Aaaand if one of those is loaded with a warhead... and even if it didn't, DPRK as we know has VX. And tech-transfer from Russia. Who put VX in Scuds. What I'm hearing from people who should know, is that the US has perfect real-time full surveillance of everything that moves inside the DPRK and that they can't launch anything before it would get hit inside a shooting war. I'm healthily sceptical of that, naturally. ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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TheScott2K posted:I didn't say you were for it, I'm saying you're going down the same slide of fearful stupidity that got thousands of Americans killed, tens of thousands of Iraqis killed, and replaced a functional (albeit horrible, but functional) dictatorship with a power vacuum. You want to balkanize the Korean Peninsula? Keep going with this "we must take decisive action!" poo poo. Personally I don't give a poo poo if DPRK has a nuke. I was just asking a hypothetical question and was curious to see replies. I am very much not in favor of repeating the last 20 years of stupidity.
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Enigma89 posted:Ahaha are we buying broke rear end Boeings from Russia now? US Airforce buys old airframes all the time. Then they gut them and turn them into AWACS and ground control radar boats full of computers and analysts.
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Enigma89 posted:Personally I don't give a poo poo if DPRK has a nuke. I was just asking a hypothetical question and was curious to see replies. I am very much not in favor of repeating the last 20 years of stupidity. Oh, so you were just concern trolling
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:I''ll direct you to RAND straight away https://www.rand.org/topics/north-korea.html Did we end up putting a THAAD system in place to protect Seoul?I imagine it is not a good idea to shoot down Scuds loaded with VX mid flight?
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Lightning Lord posted:Nothing about being a veteran means you can't have a progressive platform. McGrath is smartly focusing on Obamacare because the GOP trying to burn it to the ground is basically THE issue right now.  I'm just taking issue with Loam's claim that Kentucky isn't a place where progressive populism could work.
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farraday posted:Speaking of bad parenting. Antivaxxer dog autism. Christ. We have a very simple scale for dogs, it goes: (not stupid<------->total dumbass) I believe the autism scale is a bit more sophisticated? e- Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N_e8TMXshc KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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Lightning Lord posted:Even if they have no way of launching them, if North Korea is invaded the leaders will probably realize that their day is done and detonate tactical nukes in combat. Invading NK is a disastrous, moronic idea.
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A part of me wants to give this a semi-pass. Their sentiment is absolutely abhorrent and racist, but, when I first saw the photo, I thought I was looking at people in big black, full body cloaks too until I stared for a few seconds longer.
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Retro42 posted:My understanding isn't war between us and them. More likely that they have a certain vested interested in NK economically/geographically/etc that we don't. If the US tries to roll tank columns into NK my understanding is a non-zero chance China does the same to secure as much territory as they can for their own needs. China doesn't need territory and it sure as poo poo doesn't need a few more malnourished, illiterate peasants either. What they really don't want however is a US client state on their southern border.
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Covok posted:A part of me wants to give this a semi-pass. Their sentiment is absolutely abhorrent and racist, but, when I first saw the photo, I thought I was looking at people in big black, full body cloaks too until I stared for a few seconds longer. Presumably whoever took the picture is aware of what bus seats in their region look like (while they aren't shaped at all like the ones here, and possibly not by you either) and shouldn't be surprised when they see things shaped like bus seats.
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You're kidding yourself if you think war with NK won't end as quickly and embarrassingly as Iraq (not the occupation). To fight a war you need soldiers that are willing to support you, and when you can barely feed your soldiers and they're regularly defecting, they're not going to support you for a prolonged engagement.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Did we end up putting a THAAD system in place to protect Seoul?I imagine it is not a good idea to shoot down Scuds loaded with VX mid flight? The THAAD battery is there, we'll see if ROK buys more eventually. VX, even if it is pre-mixed, could still be neutralized by an explosion especially if the carrier is still full of rocket fuel. It might not be reliable, but it's better than you think.
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Helen Highwater posted:China doesn't need territory and it sure as poo poo doesn't need a few more malnourished, illiterate peasants either. What they really don't want however is a US client state on their southern border. There's not much they can do IMO if the US decides to throw all sanity to the wind and invade and occupy NK though
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Mr. Crow posted:You're kidding yourself if you think war with NK won't end as quickly and embarrassingly as Iraq (not the occupation). Yeah but in that case the leadership might just detonate warheads as an outgoing gently caress you to the world.
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Mr. Crow posted:You're kidding yourself if you think war with NK won't end as quickly and embarrassingly as Iraq (not the occupation). NK soldiers are well fed. They're about the only people in DPRK who are.
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Lightning Lord posted:I really don't think China is going to declare war on the US if North Korea is invaded. They treat them as an embarrassing poor relation from what I understand, not a staunch ally who must be protected with some kind of equivalent of Article 5. Most likely they'd get really mad, slap some kind of sanctions on the US and harden the border and man their anti-refugee weapons platforms. China is frustrated by NK but they want to be seen as the defining power in the region so they absolutely can't do nothing if there is a US invasion. That would be very embarrassing for them (what worth is China's protection if the US can just come in and destroy you anyways?). For obvious reasons they wouldn't want direct war with us but who knows what will happen if they feel pressured into acting. It definitely wouldn't just be sanctions. It would at least result in a proxy war on the peninsula if not cold war relations with the threat of escalation to something far more severe. If NK strikes first, that's different. They'd have to take a hard stance against NK in that instance. But it's a moot point, NK doesn't want to be destroyed so they won't attack anyone. They just want to be taken seriously and given a place on the world stage. They shouldn't be given these things so right now it seems the best solution is to isolate and hope the government collapses or there's a coup or something. I don't believe there is a feasible solution for the US to solve the NK problem but there are definitely ways we can make things far worse.
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Helen Highwater posted:China doesn't need territory and it sure as poo poo doesn't need a few more malnourished, illiterate peasants either. What they really don't want however is a US client state on their southern border. There comes a point where being North Korea's only friend is a bigger problem than a shared (river? Am I remembering that right?) border with a US-friendly state. It's also possible they could come to see it as an opportunity.
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