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Corrode posted:It's a shame because I was going to get a couple the Start Collecting boxes which will leave me with a ton of Skitarii, but then again the Onager things look good and one of those is like 4/5th of the box cost so whatever. You should definitely get the box. My main complaint against vanguard and rangers is their range vs. mobility. With no transports, and their weapons only having Ap1 on 6's, they're just not that great for the points in my experience. That being said, if you get a 10 man Ranger squads with 3 Transauranic Arquebus' and park them on a back field objective, you can terrify some enemy armies with their ability to snipe characters. Especially if you combine that with an Omnispex, which negates cover saves, and Cawl. Just don't spread them out by themselves. Oh poo poo, top of page. Here's an image of said Rangers. 
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Yeah your AdMech phalanx deployment upthread looked cool. Painting wise I'm thinking orange robes, yellow details, ice basing - how is the GW snow texture paint? Also nice rangers!
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Corrode posted:Yeah your AdMech phalanx deployment upthread looked cool. Painting wise I'm thinking orange robes, yellow details, ice basing - how is the GW snow texture paint? Thanks! Ryza is the orange forge world. I've liked every Ryza force i've seen. Orange is a rarely seen color on the table. I really like their Valhallan Blizzard. I used it here on my Lord Relictor. 
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Yeah that's tidy, snow bases it is.
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Aug 1, 2017 22:07
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Reivers: Carbines or Knives? I think I'll put the flamestorm on my aggressors...
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Aug 1, 2017 22:15
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Zuul the Cat posted:You should definitely get the box. My main complaint against vanguard and rangers is their range vs. mobility. With no transports, and their weapons only having Ap1 on 6's, they're just not that great for the points in my experience. Don't knock the rangers too much. Their gun is a strictly better bolter on a cheaper body. 2 Arquebus' in a 5 man squad is solid as well. You can then put out 2 squads of 2 Arquebus each and have very good coverage.
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Aug 1, 2017 22:16
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chutche2 posted:Put might of heroes on that rear end in a top hat for a T9 S14 A5 dreadnought. Corrode posted:Yeah that could be seriously comical. Hadnt really thought much of might of heroes before but suddenly my contemptor having 4 s16 attacks hitting on 2s sounds like fun.
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Aug 1, 2017 22:18
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chutche2 posted:Ironclad with a librarian seems pretty drat efficient to me. I think it would "only" be S13. You multiply, then add when considering strength buffs.
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GreenMarine posted:Reivers: Carbines or Knives? I think it really comes down to how you want to use them. I really like the carbines combined with the grapnel launchers because I intend to be using the Reivers primarily as a harassment unit and/or midfield objective grabber. Giving them an average of 9-10 inches of movement per turn while ignoring vertical distances and still being able to shoot seems like exactly what I want. Conversely I know Clutche was talking a lot about how he wanted to focus on using them for disrupting the enemy in assault and wanted to give his Reivers knives. I play Blood Angels and have some significantly better options for stabbing things but this seems like a solid choice for vanilla marines. They're a pretty flexible unit and most importantly pretty cheap for Primaris, costing basically the same as Intercessors. Floppychop posted:I think it would "only" be S13. You multiply, then add when considering strength buffs. That is correct.
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Corrode posted:It's slightly less hellish now I realised that Battalions only get 3 HS slots and not 4 but: this list is fatter than me in 2009 You don't need to buy units that actually fit into the dedicated transports you purchase. Bobby G is the man to buff those razorbacks, not some garbage waste three CP on rerolls to make a ghetto pedro+a LT that only rerolls 1s instead of all wounds. You have a tempestor prime but not a 4x plasma command squad, The libby, company commander, dread, sentinels, and primas psyker all seem like unfocused dudes there just to be there. Manticores are good, but mortar HWTs are the new hotness. Keeping with what's probably in your collection: Spearhead detachment HQ - tempestor prime - tempestor prime Troops - 46 conscripts - 5 scions, 2 plasma - 5 scions, 2 plasma Elite - scion command squad 4 plasma - scion command squad 4 plasma Heavy -HWS 3x autocannon -HWS 3x autocannon - manticore Dedicated: -6x assbacks Supreme Command detachment - 3x primaris pskyer - commisar - Bobby G Supreme Command Detachment - 3x primaris pskyer - Harkar Hakar gives you a reroll 1 bubble that can stay put while bobby G heads out with the razors. You get 4 drop plasma teams that all reroll ones, and 6 smite platforms behind 46 conscripts to stop first turn nonsense. Also 9 command points since bobby G gives you 3 and 3 detachments. This is close to what I'm figuring out right now. I want to put stormravens/6x mortar teams/3xearthshakers in it though because I'm boring and hate fun. 
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GreenMarine posted:Reivers: Carbines or Knives? I'm going with the rule of thumb of "Carbines for 5-man, Knives for 10-man".
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Floppychop posted:Don't knock the rangers too much. Their gun is a strictly better bolter on a cheaper body. Yeah, I know they work for some people. In my experience, they've been a waste of points. My Rangers have killed less than 5 guys in the entire time i've had them. I've just stopped taking them. Kataphron Destroyers are better.
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Safety Factor posted:All that Iron Warriors speculation last page is pretty funny in hindsight. This is the quintessential Iron Warriors hope and disappointment.
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Naramyth posted:this list is fatter than me in 2009 Wait what, can you really take Razorbacks without there being Marine units to be the transport for?  I have like 1/3rd of the plasmas in that list and no Guilliman - my IG is super limited because I own pretty much what was good in 5th and nothing else (so I have about ten thousand meltaguns which are now poo poo tier, and very little plasma). e: also only 3 asscans, hence the las/plas. Living Image fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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Aug 1, 2017 22:40
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Zuul the Cat posted:Yeah, I know they work for some people. In my experience, they've been a waste of points. My Rangers have killed less than 5 guys in the entire time i've had them. I've just stopped taking them. Kataphron Destroyers are better. I would hope they'd be better sqaud vs squad. ~220 points for 3 dudes vs 100 pts for 10 dudes
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Aug 1, 2017 22:45
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Corrode posted:Wait what, can you really take Razorbacks without there being Marine units to be the transport for? Yeah. It's one per unit. Not "one per unit that can legally fit in the transport and even if that was the restriction you could take inquisition acolytes at 8ppm" You need to pick up Bobby G, he's very worth it. Otherwise I'd run Azreal for a 4++ bubble or Pedro because he is the cheapest. Primaris pskyers can kind of be anything, I use my crazy flagrant dudes. Trade the assbacks for lasplas which is fine. And with whatever points you are missing run stormravens because they are broken with rerolls. But you are on to the imperium soup. Some reroll bubble surrounded by some efficient shooting that is probably razorbacks, some sort of screen and fill in the rest with cheap IG artillery and drop plasma. And I hear ya. I have a ton of plasma I made with plasma pistols and cut up lasguns. They look pretty good and are cheap. Also [ask] me about owning 10 chimeras for 3 editions of them being terrible. 
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Yeah I have tons of Chimeras and no idea what to do with them since they seem to be stuck being garbage forever. Maybe the codex will make them cheap and useful again. I have a bunch of what are now Wyrdvane Psykers who could happily go in as Primaris instead, it's just taking me forever to get my head around all the random new detachment set-ups especially since my life is revision + marathon training right now. I have my 3rd game of 8th on Thursday like a full month after I played the first two.
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Corrode posted:Yeah I have tons of Chimeras and no idea what to do with them since they seem to be stuck being garbage forever. Maybe the codex will make them cheap and useful again. :playmore: I hear ya. It takes a bit to wrap around. And my group has been super dead since our tourney. I'm relying on my GT winning gut "yeah that'll probably be fine" with no testing that my group has come to hate from me to carry me though long distance GIRLFRIEND, crossfit comps, and travel commitments
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So having resisted the siren lure of 40k for years the new edition has me excited enough to finally get around to trying to get my eldar in gear and play some games. First order of business is to assemble the wraithknight and wraithguard that have been sitting in their boxes for years since my last brief bout of enthusiasm. For those familiar with the new edition, what weapon sets work best? From reading the index, I can't see a compelling reason not to just put the default wraithcannons on the knight, and I'm leaning towards basic wraithcannons for the guard. Anything that people think is especially good/bad in eldar this edition? Last time I was playing at all dire avengers in wave serpents backed up by wraithlords was where it was at (I can field 2 units of each of the previously mentioned things), and my collection also has medium size squads of most aspect warriors and a decent pool of guardians both defender and storm. Things I feel like I might be missing is a big artillery tank (night spinner looks like fun), a flyer, some wind riders or (and whisper it) vipers look like they might finally be OK in this edition. Any suggestions? Also a bunch of Eldar stuff is showing as no longer available on the web store. Is that because they're end-of-living some of the range or just because they're temporarily sold out?
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Rulebook Heavily posted:This is the quintessential Iron Warriors hope and disappointment. Do we know their Strategem yet? Seems unlikely to be a repeat of the Imperial Fists'. On that note, we haven't actually seen the Emperor's Children strategem either--the one revealed is a CSM strategem for Slaanesh units, while Endless Violence (or something similar) is the named trait for Emperor's Children. Likewise, while the World Eaters' strategem is probably similar to the Black Templars' anti-psyker power, we're also probably going to see a generic Khorne power in the mix. Could be real interesting, especially if there's no limitations on marked units in Iron Warriors/Night Lords/Alpha Legion.
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TheChirurgeon posted:Do we know their Strategem yet? Seems unlikely to be a repeat of the Imperial Fists'. Endless cacophony, which you'd think was an emperors children one but no.
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One_Wing posted:So having resisted the siren lure of 40k for years the new edition has me excited enough to finally get around to trying to get my eldar in gear and play some games. First order of business is to assemble the wraithknight and wraithguard that have been sitting in their boxes for years since my last brief bout of enthusiasm. For those familiar with the new edition, what weapon sets work best? From reading the index, I can't see a compelling reason not to just put the default wraithcannons on the knight, and I'm leaning towards basic wraithcannons for the guard. Welcome back dude. For the sold out stuff, GW tends to stick a warning on their social media and store when they're about to discontinue an item, does a last chance to buy thing. Those sold out kits are likely just getting a reboxing with the new 8th ed rules on the instructions/new box layout. Pretty much everything Eldar have is in a good place right now. They're not the unstoppable poo poo-wreckers they were in 7th but there's no real trap options outside of Storm Guardians from what I can tell.
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TheChirurgeon posted:Do we know their Strategem yet? Seems unlikely to be a repeat of the Imperial Fists'.  I guess they're aiming for a mishmash of the Imperial Fists and Iron Hands, but that stratagem is kind of lame.
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TheChirurgeon posted:1. Alpha Legion = -1 to hit rolls when they are more than 12" away. Did they loving replace infiltrate with this I loving SWEAR DID THEY loving REPLACE INFILTRATE WITH THIS GENERIC poo poo GAMES WORKSHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP
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goose willis posted:Did they loving replace infiltrate with this Much as the iron warriors getting rerollable saves in cover, the alpha legion getting free mass infiltrate would have been colossal bullshit.
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Corrode posted:Wait what, can you really take Razorbacks without there being Marine units to be the transport for? Yeah you can take 1 transport per other unit in your army. Says nothing about them actually being able to ride in them. You can take razorbacks for your land raiders if you want.
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Can't you, like, at least wait for the highlight article about Alpha Legion before melting down? Jesus Christ. They'll probably get an infiltrate stratagem anyways.
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goose willis posted:Did they loving replace infiltrate with this They'll get infiltrate as a strategem just like raven guard.
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Safety Factor posted:Can't you, like, at least wait for the highlight article about Alpha Legion before melting down? Jesus Christ. They'll get the Raven Guard "1CP per each infantry unit to infiltrate" stratagem. Which is decent.
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Except worse just to spite chaos players or something.
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Artum posted:Endless cacophony, which you'd think was an emperors children one but no. Yeah, that's my point--there is also an Emperor's Children strategem, visible in the French scan ("Strategem Emperor's Children"). Endless Cacophony isn't the EC strategem, just a Slaanesh-specific one. I suspect we'll see 3 more of those. Safety Factor posted:
Oh, that's neat. It's not super-powerful, but I like that you can wait until you lose a wound to activate it.
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It's me, I'm the GW designer in charge of Chaos. I do it all just to spite Goose.
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JoshTheStampede posted:Except worse just to spite chaos players or something. I did laugh at someone complaining both that marines always get better stuff than chaos and the marine and chaos stuff being identical simultaneously earlier today. Gyro Zeppeli posted:They'll get the Raven Guard "1CP per each infantry unit to infiltrate" stratagem. Which is decent. Oh right, neat, hadn't really read the specifics of strategic discipline before, thats cool that theres no limits on pre battle stratagems.
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SteelMentor posted:It's me, I'm the GW designer in charge of Chaos. 
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Feed me your anger.
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SteelMentor posted:Feed me your anger. 
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After far far too long, these little fuckers are finally done.
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