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So what's to stop trump from simply lifting sanctions and then signing the bill that would have prevented him from doing so?
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I saw Carter teach Sunday school last year. If Baptists has saints, he’d be one.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I suspect I know the answer, but does Deval Patrick have any progressive positions or is he bog standard Democrat? His big downside is that after he left the governorship he went to work for Bain Captial. Yeah, that Bain Capital.
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Zore posted:His big downside is that after he left the governorship he went to work for Bain Captial. Please inform we ignorant, briefly?
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Is this guy trolling or is he really this stupid? ted kennedy primaried carter because he was too left, as we all know
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KickerOfMice posted:Bain? Please inform we ignorant, briefly? The company Mitt Romney started. Was a big deal in 2012. Their MO is to basically parasitically attach to companies, rip the money out and dump them.
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Aug 2, 2017 02:24
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:
He's also one Tedward Rafael Cruz's favorite senator, shockingly enough.
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Krispy Kareem posted:I saw Carter teach Sunday school last year. If Baptists has saints, he’d be one. And the Carter center eradicates Guinea Worm. Y'know, stuff we all do on the weekends. The lovely worm itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracunculiasis Imagine  but the can is your leg!
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Aug 2, 2017 02:26
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It's good to see the Trump administration tackling totally real and not at all made up issues such as voter fraud and discrimination against white college applicants.
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Aug 2, 2017 02:29
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I remember a poo poo ton of conservatives making fun of Carter at the announcement of his brain cancer. I like to think he beat that cancer out of pure loving spite toward those hateful fucks.
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I imagine a Trump given eulogy would go something like this: "We are here to remember this great man. I say great but really he wasn't as great as me. For instance he didn't win the election by 600 electoral votes like I did. And I am pretty sure he didn't bang anyone on any yacht. By the way have I told you about my hot daughter..." and then it will just become an Abe Simpson style rambling for about 30 minutes. Days later he will tell anyone who will listen about how everyone said he gave the best eulogy ever for some loser.
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seriously tho: cut capital gains tax ran on single payer then once in office said it was too expensive the whole fallout from his abandonment of labor, both the air traffic controller thing and the failure of the full employment humphrey-hawkins act quote:In 1979, a reporter asked International Association of Machinists president Wimpy Winpisinger a question about Jimmy Carter. Winpisinger was among the most progressive labor leaders of the decade, trying to shake organized labor out of its bureaucratic complacent doldrums.
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Random Question. Would Robert Kennedy have won in 68 if not for getting murdered? Or was the social backlash to the Civil Rights movement among scared white people too strong?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Would Robert Kennedy have won in 68 if not for getting murdered? this is one of the biggest political what ifs of all time.
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Winpisinger sounds like a loving rear end in a top hat
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If the University of California schools are any indication, killing affirmative action will result in the Ivies getting taken over by Asian students.
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Trabisnikof posted:This discussion reminds me of the difference between treating teens who are wannabe ISIS recruits as adult terrorists or children with huge psychological and social issues. They won't grow out of it they need intense treatment and re-education. And simultaneously ISIS is a repugnant group with a repugnant ideology. I can't quite tell exactly what position you're taking, but work by social services in parts of Europe like Denmark strongly suggest yeah they do grow out of it and no you don't need intense "re-education." The social forces that induce kids to join ISIS or white nationalist groups or street gangs are very similar. If you can talk them out of taking the plunge into active participation, they will often grow out of their interest in radical action. There's even been serious semi-official efforts to look the other way as Isis veterans put down their guns and come home, especially if they'll collaborate on stopping future recruits from making the same mistakes they did.
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FizFashizzle posted:this is one of the biggest political what ifs of all time. Considering that Nixon was probably willing to murder people to defeat a Kennedy in an election..... no. Not cleanly, in my uninformed opinion.
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I'm not sure if RFK would have been able to overcome the backlash against Dems for pushing civil rights bills which arguably propelled Nixon to the WH.
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Tarezax posted:If the University of California schools are any indication, killing affirmative action will result in the Ivies getting taken over by Asian students. It'll affect the northeast as well. Big time.
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I really believe of all Trump supporters, mitchy is the most die hard https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/892559691418669056 I cannot fathom what he would be okay with his savior doing.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm not sure if RFK would have been able to overcome the backlash against Dems for pushing civil rights bills which arguably propelled Nixon to the WH. I'm not sure RFK would have gotten the nomination seeing as he was behind when he entered the primaries.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm not sure if RFK would have been able to overcome the backlash against Dems for pushing civil rights bills which arguably propelled Nixon to the WH. well humphrey turned off a poo poo load of democrats. he hadn't even run in the primaries and was just appointed at the convention. the left wing, anti war branch hated him and didn't turn out. george wallace really hosed that race up. But a better candidate could have easily overcome Nixon in that race. from wiki quote:The key states proved to be California, Ohio, and Illinois, all of which Nixon won by three percentage points or less. Had Humphrey carried all three of these states, he would have won the election. Had he carried only two of them or just California alone, George Wallace would have succeeded in his aim of preventing an electoral college majority for any candidate, and the decision would have been given to the House of Representatives, at the time controlled by the Democratic Party. That's razor thin.
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BlueberryCanary posted:Forget about his polls. If the US stopped paying its debts, the results would be so utterly catastrophic the entire GOP would be sunk in both 2018 and 2020. The US would enter a full-blown depression, along with most of the western world. The single most powerful predictor of elections (statistically speaking) is the economy. All of the world's economy. China's economy would explode if we repudiated that much debt and take down the rest of Asia's economy with it.
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FizFashizzle posted:well humphrey turned off a poo poo load of democrats. he hadn't even run in the primaries and was just appointed at the convention. the left wing, anti war branch hated him and didn't turn out. I shouldn't have asked, it's just going to make me feel bad. 
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Pakled posted:I don't think D&D has ever really been a conservative bastion, but from what old-timers say, this place had more of a typical internet libertarian bent until the McCain toxx thread in 2008 wiped them all out and cleared the way for all the leftists. The history is a bit more complicated than that. 9-11 was really the start of this communities political consciousness and D&D was originally created to move political discussions out of GBS. In the very early days D&D was actually fairly right leaning, with a strong libertarian contingent and a small (and mostly outclassed at the time) left-ish contingent. (Not terribly left at all by current standards with the exception of a few teenage communists). The first cracks of leftism really started in the I/P threads (which were like 15% of the board back then), but the real first rivulets of leftism started in the wake of Bush Jr's endless fuckups as well as the disaster of the Iraq war. We Goons supported our troops back then and I can recall at least one rather successful charity drive wherein we bought a bunch of used kevlar and shipped it over to a unit (which I believe had several Goons but don't quote me on that) who then used it to up-armor their humvees against IED's. Goons had gradually soured on the GOP and Republicanism in general and and by about 2005 Republicanism had started to become a dying breed here. By about 2006 or so there was an emerging struggle between leftism and Libertarianism- with Libertarian ideas holding a distinct edge. 2007 is when things started to get really interesting. Libertarianism had actually been the closest thing to a dominant ideology on the board for about a year or so at that point but the advent of the Ron Paul Revolution pretty much brought about the downfall of Libertarinism. The sub-forum "Laissez-fair" (hereafter referred to as "LF") was created in part to dump all the lovely Ron Paul threads into one place and the relaxed ruleset was in part meant to mock Libertarian ideas. The early days of LF were pretty much the decisive war between Libertarianism and leftism in this community. The endless fuckups of Ron Paul and the endless hilarity of how blatantly he scammed his supporters resulted in a decisive route of Libertarian posters. (This was also the time of Paradol Rex and Toblerone Traingular- two amazing posters for completely opposite reasons) The McCain Toxx thread was the finishing blow on Libertarian posters in this community but the mortal one had already long been struck at that point. Once Libetarianism had been routed off the board something rather unique in Internet history happened- an event I have never personally witnessed the like of since or before. (Nor do I expect to.) The victorious leftist posters took the occasion to fill LF with some of the finest effortposts this community has ever produced. If there was truly a "golden age" of effortpositng in this community, it was this 2nd phase of LF. Poster HidingFromGoro for example almost singlehandedly changed the entire boards views on the American penal system and was pretty much responsible for making the forum woke to LE corruption/violence. The entire community noticeably shifted leftward over the course of the next year as leftist ideas were discussed in a very patient way by exceedingly knowledgeable Goons and activists. A dearth of knowledge was absorbed by the community and the conversations evolved at a very rapid pace. However eventually hivemind rot set in at LF and thus was the third and final age of that notorious subforum. LF had started to become insular and antagonistic to the rest of the community- no was sufficiently left/no one was raging enough about whatever-cause-of-the-moment-had-LF-screaming today. Eventually LF become isolated and then simply cut off for being too much loving trouble to deal with. (I believe the FBI served more than one warrant for poster records as a result of various poo poo LF said/did.) The LF hardcore split off and are (I believe) still in existence as some sort of wierd cultish group that unironically believes in full communisn now. (I really don't care enough to look, but that was essentially their fate as of ~5 years or so ago). You know something rather odd has just occurred to me- the history of the evolution of this community is actually quite interesting and genuinely worth knowing. However despite this being an online community wherein every word is preserved for eternity the knowledge of the history of this community is essentially the digital equivalent a verbal tradition at this point. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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Giggy posted:I'm not sure RFK would have gotten the nomination seeing as he was behind when he entered the primaries. it didn't matter. Humphrey didn't even run in the primaries. Things were different back then. RFK intentionally didn't enter the race until later after seeing how the voters reacted to someone whos name im forgetting who was basically his political stalking horse.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Random Question. Would Robert Kennedy have won in 68 if not for getting murdered? Or was the social backlash to the Civil Rights movement among scared white people too strong? He definitely would have won the primary. Impossible to say for the general.
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Prester Jane posted:You know something rather odd has just occurred to me- the history of the evolution of this community is actually quite interesting and genuinely worth knowing. However despite this being an online community wherein every word is preserved for eternity the knowledge of the history of this community is essentially the digital equivalent a verbal tradition at this point. Toss it all into the wikipedia page for the forums!
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I forgot how much Deval Patrick sounds like a grown-up Steve Urkel.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:seriously tho: Serious Q: Do you think we've ever had a sufficiently progressive president?
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Carter deregulated the beer industry, leading to thousands of craft brewers to provide you with the alcohol needed to survive in 2017 America. He was ahead of his time.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Serious Q: Do you think we've ever had a sufficiently progressive president? Are there any more Roosevelts out there
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Are there any more Roosevelts out there FDR had literal internment camps and Teddy wanted to exterminate Latin Americans.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Are there any more Roosevelts out there I don't think so. But we do have a young Kennedy in Congress right now.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Are there any more Roosevelts out there I think you'll find that both Roosevelts did a number of bad things during their terms, so they were both trash presidents. That's what I'm getting at though -- I don't consider Carter's faults bad enough to label him as a bad president. But I don't consider a "good" president to be ideologically pure either. That seems like an impossible standard.
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Toss it all into the wikipedia page for the forums! Actually how would a thread to try and remember then memorialize the communities history/evolution be received? I know that navelgazing and "posting about posting" have long been considered faxu-paus here but I feel that attitude (while unarguably beneficial) may have resulted in the current absence of collective knowledge of how this community developed. I think a thread where we politely try and discuss what we all remember of this communities development (with an intended ened-goal to make an as-accurate-as-possible memorialization of our history as possible) could be quite useful. If a few posters like the idea I'd be willing to throw up an OP and add what I remember to get the conversation started.
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Teddybear posted:Yup! Two-thirds majority in each house to override it. It would still need to go to the president's desk for signing or veto, and you know that if you sent it four days before the deadline, he'd let it sit for five days out of spite and let us default simply because he didn't get what he wanted. Congress can impeach and convict in a day though, and if they think he's going to do that, wouldn't they? After all, not only are we talking electoral melt down, but it's an attack on their personal finances.
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Prester Jane posted:Actually how would a thread to try and remember then memorialize the communities history/evolution be received? I know that navelgazing and "posting about posting" have long been considered faxu-paus here but I feel that attitude (while unarguably beneficial) may have resulted in the current absence of collective knowledge of how this community developed. I think a thread where we politely try and discuss what we all remember of this communities development (with an intended ened-goal to make an as-accurate-as-possible memorialization of our history as possible) could be quite useful. I'd read it. I always like hearing the oral tradition of internet communities.
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