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MJ12 posted:Yoko Taro's games seem to largely be explorations on violence and how it relates to people. A lot of the "Everyone died! No moral!" endings are surprisingly upbeat. The joke endings having a cheery tone seems to just be a thing for them in general, rather than particularly strong evidence for the general themes.
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Really Pants posted:don't read tvtropes
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MJ12 posted:A lot of the 'we just walked away from the war' fake endings are surprisingly upbeat, which seems to me to lend credence to that theory that the war is literally meaningless and you should be trying to walk away from it. On a similar note, Drakengard gives you a lot of chances to stop playing before everything goes literally to hell and you get the worst ending.
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On the other hand, we have an example of someone who actually walked away from the war. We retrieved the logs of it from their corpse. So maybe not that upbeat.
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Jul 31, 2017 23:29
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It's ok, that android was an abusive jerk anyway. Bad things happen to bad people in Taro games, right?
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Ryas posted:It's ok, that android was an abusive jerk anyway. Bad things happen to bad people in Taro games, right? Yes, and that's pretty much the entire cast of every game save for Yonah, who probably strangled a kitten while her dad was away.
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Aug 1, 2017 01:20
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Don't you ever talk poo poo about Yonah again.
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Screaming Idiot posted:Yonah, who probably strangled a kitten while her dad was away. Not okay.
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Screaming Idiot posted:Yes, and that's pretty much the entire cast of every game save for Yonah, who probably strangled a kitten while her dad was away. Say that to my face, you son of a bitch.
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Ryas posted:It's ok, that android was an abusive jerk anyway. Bad things happen to bad people in Taro games, right? Bad things happen to good people too. And mediocre people. Basically it's advised not to be a people.
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chiasaur11 posted:Bad things happen to good people too. And mediocre people. Basically it's advised not to be a people. Bad things happen to the machines, too. And the androids. And the pods. And the boars and moose. It's best not to be.
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The only winning move in a Yoko Taro game is not to play. That's why we let TDI do it for us!
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Didn't the aliens attack in the year five-thousand something? I keep seeing people say that the androids and machines have been fighting for 10,000 years but that doesn't seem to be in line with the timeline.
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Mega64 posted:It's best not to be. Then it's a good thing we switched to 9S now, eh? 
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Sage Grimm posted:Then it's a good thing we switched to 9S now, eh? Uuuuuuuuuuugh. You're fired.
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White Coke posted:Didn't the aliens attack in the year five-thousand something? I keep seeing people say that the androids and machines have been fighting for 10,000 years but that doesn't seem to be in line with the timeline. Yeah it's only been about 7,000 years, but that's not as fun to say.
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Begemot posted:Yeah it's only been about 7,000 years, but that's not as fun to say. The year 400 Billion is copyright Ren and Stimpy I think.
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Mega64 posted:Bad things happen to the machines, too. And the androids. And the pods. And the boars and moose. Has anything bad happened to a pod yet?
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The Lone Badger posted:Has anything bad happened to a pod yet? A couple have been lost/abandoned.
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The Lone Badger posted:Has anything bad happened to a pod yet? One of them got stuck with 9S
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chiasaur11 posted:Bad things happen to good people too. And mediocre people. Basically it's advised not to be a people. Mega64 posted:Bad things happen to the machines, too. And the androids. And the pods. And the boars and moose. Sage Grimm posted:Then it's a good thing we switched to 9S now, eh? apocalypticCritic posted:Uuuuuuuuuuugh. This is one of the best pages in the thread so far (not counting updates).
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Screaming Idiot posted:Yes, and that's pretty much the entire cast of every game save for Yonah, who probably strangled a kitten while her dad was away.  Yonah and Emil are the only two pure and innocent people in the DrakeNier setting.
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I am so excited for the Nines route. Curious to see what exactly changes though, since 9S is with 2B (or is dead) pretty much the whole time.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:
Emil murdered an entire settlement full of people and shades because World's Best Dad popped a killboner when someone said the word "shade" at a flea market.
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axeil posted:I am so excited for the Nines route. Curious to see what exactly changes though, since 9S is with 2B (or is dead) pretty much the whole time. The 9S route has a lot of repeated content, but all the stuff that's not repeated is pretty awesome. Also, 9S is, surprisingly, a total beast in combat, which takes a lot of the sting off of repeated combat segments.
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Give 9S a spear and he'll just wreck shop forever
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vdate posted:I want this to be true so badly. WE LIKE SHORT SHORTS! Screaming Idiot posted:Emil murdered an entire settlement full of people and shades because World's Best Dad popped a killboner when someone said the word "shade" at a flea market.  Ryas posted:It's ok, that android was an abusive jerk anyway. Bad things happen to bad people in Taro games, right? And to good people. And to neutral people. Basically the only way to avoid bad things happening to you in a Yoko Taro game is to not be a person. The rocks 2B spent the game running across live a blissful, idyllic life free of conflict and pain. Sage Grimm posted:Then it's a good thing we switched to 9S now, eh?
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Screaming Idiot posted:Emil murdered an entire settlement full of people and shades because World's Best Dad popped a killboner when someone said the word "shade" at a flea market. He was just trying to help.
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Your suffering only adds to my punitive powers! Also.. InequalityGodzilla posted:Basically the only way to avoid bad things happening to you in a Yoko Taro game is to not be a person. The rocks 2B spent the game running across live a blissful, idyllic life free of conflict and pain. Need I remind you of the giant crater in the middle of the city because of an Engels?
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To clear up any confusion, I am NOT The Dark Id. If you are colour blind, I apologise for causing any confusion. On topic, Not-Eve stubby is a great segment, and the greatest disappointment that it ends so soon.
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Thank you for restoring my sanity.
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Sage Grimm posted:Your suffering only adds to my punitive powers! That made more rocks! Now the rocks have friends!
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It's kind of hard to judge the people/dragons/shades/androids/whatever in the Nier/Drakengard realities as good or bad when they live in such a terrible and unrelentingly cruel world. It's just endless torture and even though many of the problems are self created a lot of the horrors are inescapable and unavoidable and there's nothing any of them can do to stop them or fix things. Hell, quite a few of the characters are just preprogramed to go insane at a certain point and literally have no free will or control over their actions. Nowe is undeniably a douche though. Space Cadet Omoly fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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9S is probably the most contentious character in this game, and I think it goes hand in hand with him having a very love-it-or-hate-it playstyle: either it clicks with you in the first hour and you adore the change of pace(as it did for me) or you hate it forever, which I can understand. There's not a lot of middle ground
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The Watercrown posted:To clear up any confusion, I am NOT The Dark Id. If you are colour blind, I apologise for causing any confusion. But now your name doesn't make sense anymore!
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Route B is much more enjoyable if the player completes a decent portion of the side quests in between the repeated missions. I’ve skimmed a few blind playthroughs on Twitch, and anyone who focused on just playing through the main story missions as quickly as possible tended to have a bad time.
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Maybe we can wait to discuss Nines' reception and playstyle until after Id does something with him beyond showing off an ending
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:It's kind of hard to judge the people/dragons/shades/androids/whatever in the Nier/Drakengard realities as good or bad when they live in such a terrible and unrelentingly cruel world. It's just endless torture and even though many of the problems are self created a lot of the horrors are inescapable and unavoidable and there's nothing any of them can do to stop them or fix things. Hell, quite a few of the characters are just preprogramed to go insane at a certain point and literally have no free will or control over their actions. I mean that basically describes our world, so I feel it's fair to judge them.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:
Hey Mikhail is an amoral dragon but he's a Good Boy
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:It's kind of hard to judge the people/dragons/shades/androids/whatever in the Nier/Drakengard realities as good or bad when they live in such a terrible and unrelentingly cruel world. It's just endless torture and even though many of the problems are self created a lot of the horrors are inescapable and unavoidable and there's nothing any of them can do to stop them or fix things. Hell, quite a few of the characters are just preprogramed to go insane at a certain point and literally have no free will or control over their actions. Basically Caim is undeniably good, because death is the best option for everyone involved.
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