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Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjd__U9RhkI

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GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

Funky See Funky Do posted:

The last episode has Cersei waking up in a bed of blood after a miscarriage but nothing more about her after it. Could it be that the younger brother that's supposed to kill her will be that miscarriage?

It's not her brother. It's her niece/nephew and son/daughter.

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD
Doesn't say it would be her brother. Just the little brother. The prophecy also says she'll be choked by it though but the show could just outright ignore that part.

drunken officeparty
Aug 23, 2006

Isn't Jamie (or the little brother or whatever) supposed to stab her with a flaming sword or is that something else

Andrigaar
Dec 12, 2003
Saint of Killers

Sydin posted:

I like how they finally acknowledged Bran's actor can't actually act, so they tweaked the role so he wouldn't have to.

Can't act, or the show is hitting prequel trilogy levels of bad dialogue coaching/directing?

Serious question. I have no idea if the guy's gotten any other roles.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.
It still doesn't work with the prophecy, which says she'd have three children. I don't know if it was ever laid out in the show though. Either way I'm pretty sure the miscarriage killing her wasn't GRRM's original intent, and either the show changed it or he did.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

Andrigaar posted:

Can't act, or the show is hitting prequel trilogy levels of bad dialogue coaching/directing?

Serious question. I have no idea if the guy's gotten any other roles.

Discounting Game of Thrones, his entire filmography consists of:
  • Background character in a middling political thriller;
  • Minor character in middling horror movie;
  • Lead voice actor in The Boxtrolls; and
  • Cameo in Family Guy.

If Wikipedia is to be believed, he's saving up his Game of Thrones money to pay for a PhD.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Everyone is talking about the cool ice dragon, but it's going to get killed by Gendry anime style so who cares.

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD
She's had four though. I just can't see the point of them throwing in a miscarriage in the last episode of the season if it's not somehow important. That means it has to be relevant to the next season which is going to be even shorter and they have to jam in all the Long Night poo poo into it.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Funky See Funky Do posted:

She's had four though. I just can't see the point of them throwing in a miscarriage in the last episode of the season if it's not somehow important. That means it has to be relevant to the next season which is going to be even shorter and they have to jam in all the Long Night poo poo into it.

I mean I assume that the miscarriage, combined with Jamie finally being disgusted enough to leave her, is going to send her completely off the deep end.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

I lolled how Dany had all the smug titles, even though she basically lost of most of army and allies in the first episodes.

Creator of Often Failed Strategies

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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She's not very good at any of those titles either. I guess "Mother of Dragons" still stands, but even that seems a bit of a stretch. She's used them like, what, twice for anything worthwhile? Killing one dude to get her dickless army and then to torch some boats.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




The four kids thing is show only, re: Cersei. And the valonqar prophecy doesn't exist on the show, either. Unless they introduce it this year or next.

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



esperterra posted:

The four kids thing is show only, re: Cersei. And the valonqar prophecy doesn't exist on the show, either. Unless they introduce it this year or next.

it was the loving opening of one of the seasons. like 5 maybe.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




TK-42-1 posted:

it was the loving opening of one of the seasons. like 5 maybe.

They cut the valonqar part out. It was just about her three children dying before she does.

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Ok so what is supposed to happen for the rest of the season?

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Spoilers are in the OP

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016

TK-42-1 posted:

it was the loving opening of one of the seasons. like 5 maybe.

Yup, as another goon said the flashback ended after the golden shrouds part.

That was one of the minor things (among a lot of major ones) that dissapointed me in season 5. It opened up with that half of the prophecy and I thought "oh, poo poo! we are doing an introspective approach reveal, with Cersei revisiting the flashback again in later episodes of the season each time revealing a little bit more, while paralelling her sanity slippage".

But nope. Nothing else comes out of that nor is it ever revisited.

Instead time on that season is devoted to THE BIG RAMSAY AM WINNING AGAIN and...whatever the hell was supposed to be Dorne's plot.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Which season was the one where is was just a series of buddy cop adventures? That was loving poo poo.

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016

JBP posted:

Which season was the one where is was just a series of buddy cop adventures? That was loving poo poo.

The good buddy cop was season 3-4 with Arya and the Hound

The average buddy cop was season 5 with Bronn and Jaime. It would qualify as good since it has Bronn as part of the teamup, but it happened in Dorne, so it defaults to average.

The bad buddy cop happened in season 4-5 with Brienne and Pod. I guess this is still ongoing? They had a 10 min cameo in season 6 I think.

radlum
May 13, 2013
As flawed as this season has been, I'm really enjoying not having Ramsay around; Euron is close but since he is on Cersei's side and he has been around for just a few episodes, he doesn't feel as awful.

drunken officeparty
Aug 23, 2006

Roose was a thousand times better character and should have been the Bolton point man as he deals with Ramsay, not the other way around.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




I loved Iwan Rheon as Sexy Ramsay, but it suffered so much from overkill. Of course there was no way they would remove Alfie Allen from the show for a couple seasons, and chronologically it made sense to show his time becoming Reek.

But there was just too much of Ramsay. And the longer he was on the show, the more he got away with. It was so clear how much D&D loved their version of that character and the show suffered for it in seasons 5 and 6.

The way they handled Roose's death was ridiculous, too, but I guess it made sense in the show where Ramsay isn't reviled by everyone but a select few Bolton banner men, and his dogs. It still sucked, though.

snickothemule
Jul 11, 2016

wretched single ply might as well use my socks

RC Cola posted:

Ok so what is supposed to happen for the rest of the season?

Jon and Dany bone but he calls her Ygritte and makes it awkward.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

snickothemule posted:

Jon and Dany bone but he calls her Ygritte Auntie and makes it awkward.

Fixed

She can add that to her list of titles. "Auntie of King in the North"

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




WampaLord posted:

Fixed

She can add that to her list of titles. "Nauntie of King in the North"

Fixed.

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016

esperterra posted:

I loved Iwan Rheon as Sexy Ramsay, but it suffered so much from overkill. Of course there was no way they would remove Alfie Allen from the show for a couple seasons, and chronologically it made sense to show his time becoming Reek.

But there was just too much of Ramsay. And the longer he was on the show, the more he got away with. It was so clear how much D&D loved their version of that character and the show suffered for it in seasons 5 and 6.

The way they handled Roose's death was ridiculous, too, but I guess it made sense in the show where Ramsay isn't reviled by everyone but a select few Bolton banner men, and his dogs. It still sucked, though.

The Reek torture porn part was not what ruined Ramsay, although it did get hilarious after a point.

What killed Ramsay was him naked fighting the ironborn unscathed, 20 goodmanning the Mannis, leisurely strolling on the battlefield completely unscahted or bloody or dirty after trashing Stannis' army, and well, the whole season 6 in which he just anticlimaticly kills a lot of named characters, including his father who was setup as being a bigger threat than he was, with no consequences at all, and then elaborates a dumb physics defing plan in which everyone dies at the right spot to form a wall of dead in an open field and then when the plot demanded it was time for him to lose he decided to shoot the giant instead of the enemy leader that was a much easier target standing just 2 feet away completely exposed.

You were supposed to take him as a serious villain but they ended depicting him too cartoony, because if there is one thing this season so far has proved (and if the spoilers are true, even more so) is that D&D can only write cartoony villains.

And this are the kind of people HBO thought would be a good idea to hire to write a series about the civil war.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Nah I don't think the Reek torture porn is what killed Ramsay, just doing it so early in the show and adding all the dumb poo poo they did. Like I was already tired of him before they cocked up the Winterfell storyline in the last season.

That dumbass shirtless moment, though, really was the turning point.

Noctone
Oct 25, 2005

XO til we overdose..
I've get that that leak is just a plot outline but good god does it read like fanfic.

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016

Noctone posted:

I've get that that leak is just a plot outline but good god does it read like fanfic.

I mean, the full season spoilers say that:

- The Stark kids reunite
- Jon is a legitimate Targaryen
- Jon will gently caress Dany
- Gendry has become a skilled warhammer warrior like his father
- At the end of the season the good guys side will have Jaime, Brienne, the Hound and Bronn

The whole show from here on is a fanfic.

The only thing we are missing is J'aqen revealing that he was actually Syrio Forell all along and Melisandre returning from Essos with a resurrected Khal Drogo.

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016
Also I'm calling it now, so tell your friends you saw it here first, this whole terrible mess will end with either Jon or Daenerys (depending on who the fan polls this year favor) riding Drogon, the last surviving dragon at that point, in a tactical nuke maneuver taking down the Night's King in the process, succesfully removing all magic from the world for realsies this time, while the other watches the heroic sacrifice helplessly.

Cut to a timeskip and it's Daenerys and Jon's kid visiting the grave of whichever died while accompanied by the one that survived as he tells his son "yadda yadda yadda this is the grave of your mother/father, and it's time that you learn about him and how he played The Game of Thrones" *FADE TO TITLE CARD*

Extra stupid points if it's Jon that survives and Daenerys just happened to have a super secret birth before her sacrifice.

lezard_valeth fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Aug 2, 2017

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

TheRat posted:

How many times does someone has to say that Tarly turned on the Tyrells before it starts registering?

I've heard that many times now, but is Tarly supposed to be some sort of uberlord? Until this point he was some nobody, but his betrayal can completely change the balance of power?

Lloyd Boner
Oct 11, 2009

Yes officer, my name is Victoria Sonnen...berg
The Tarlys are like the second or third most powerful house in the Reach, and in the books Randyll is pretty much the head of their military.

E: basically the Bolton/Frey equivalent

SirKibbles
Feb 27, 2011

I didn't like your old red text so here's some dancing cash. :10bux:

lezard_valeth posted:


- Jon is a legitimate Targaryen

The whole show from here on is a fanfic.

Can I point out how assholish this is of Rhaegar? Annul your marriage and then abandon your ex wife and newly bastard children to die. I doubt they're going to do the I had a prophecy thing that makes it morally grey and are going to do a straight up true love thing.

Also, I'm glad that dudes can now only exist to be eye candy and so that a lady character can have a romance plot and doesn't exist outside of it. Thanks for holding that L for progress Gendry.

lezard_valeth posted:

Also I'm calling it now, so tell your friends you saw it here first, this whole terrible mess will end with either Jon or Daenerys (depending on who the fan polls this year favor) riding Drogon, the last surviving dragon at that point, in a tactical nuke maneuver taking down the Night's King in the process, succesfully removing all magic from the world for realsies this time, while the other watches the heroic sacrifice helplessly.

Cut to a timeskip and it's Daenerys and Jon's kid visiting the grave of whichever died while accompanied by the one that survived as he tells his son "yadda yadda yadda this is the grave of your mother/father, and it's time that you learn about him and how he played The Game of Thrones" *FADE TO TITLE CARD*

Extra stupid points if it's Jon that survives and Daenerys just happened to have a super secret birth before her sacrifice.

Oh man this is totally happening. Ok Ok betting time who dies off Screen in the epilogue? I'm guessing Brienne or Pod.

Ragnarok the Red
Jun 21, 2002

lezard_valeth posted:


You were supposed to take him as a serious villain but they ended depicting him too cartoony, because if there is one thing this season so far has proved (and if the spoilers are true, even more so) is that D&D can only write cartoony villains.

What's hammering this home even further is what Littlefinger's character has turned into over the past 2 seasons.

First four years of the show where they're following the books he's a master manipulator, orchestrating Jon Aryn's death, the whole War of Five Kings, Joffrey's eventual assassination, and seizing the power of the Vale. He's Varys' equal in connections and underground influences. He's a massive wildcard and a true threat to gaining the Iron Throne once all the chaos and wars he's instigated subside and he's there to pick up the pieces.

As soon the show passes where he is in the books, D&D transform him into a buffoon.

-Sending Sansa to Ramsay probably knowing already he's a terrible human being and the rape and abuse he puts her through makes her, the object of his affections, hate him.
-Send in the Vale army to win the Battle of the Bastards hoping to ingratiate yourself with the Starks, but then continuing to just be a creepy rear end in a top hat.
-"Hey, Jon, sorry to interrupt you in your PRIVATE FAMILY CRYPT as you're about to depart to possibly get burned alive by another Targ, but just wanna let you know I had the hots for your step mom and now for your sis-Jon why are you choking me?"

It's like he now basically just exists to be a trolling hate sink for the Northern characters since Cersei & Euron are down south contending with Dany's forces, and the Night King can't speak and still stuck beyond the wall and they NEED an antagonist of some kind to be there for the sake of being there. Whatever "grand master plan" his character was building to the first four seasons apparently no longer exists. And hoo boy if those spoilers are true is his end going to be as fittingly dumb as his character has become.

Ragnarok the Red fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Aug 2, 2017

IncendiaC
Sep 25, 2011

steinrokkan posted:

I've heard that many times now, but is Tarly supposed to be some sort of uberlord? Until this point he was some nobody, but his betrayal can completely change the balance of power?

The Tarlys are basically the military branch of the Reach. Until last episode, they've always stood with Highgarden/Tyrells so they weren't mentioned much.

kater
Nov 16, 2010

Is Tarly the guy Brienne meets when she first leaves Kings Landing? That dude ruled.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Ragnarok the Red posted:

It's like he now basically just exists to be a trolling hate sink for the Northern characters since Cersei & Euron are down south contending with Dany's forces, and the Night King can't speak and still stuck beyond the wall and they NEED an antagonist of some kind to be there for the sake of being there. Whatever "grand master plan" his character was building to the first four seasons apparently no longer exists. And hoo boy if those spoilers are true is his end going to be as fittingly dumb as his character has become.

Dude it's fine, Littlefinger will be dead shortly and the Night King will develop the power of speech and astrally project himself to taunt the characters using every synonym for "bad" that D&D can find in a thesaurus.

WESTEROS
NIGHT TIME
IT IS SPOOKY AT NIGHT

[Jon is riding a horse, Night King appears to him.]

Night King: U know nothing Jon Snow hahaha ur dead gf said that, idiot. I will do very inauspicious things to ur new friend

Jon Snow: I will defeat u Night Kign

Night Kign: Haha the outcome for u will be very disadvantageous

[Nihgt Kign disappears, Jon rides horse more]








[John furrows his brows]

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Ragnarok the Red posted:

What's hammering this home even further is what Littlefinger's character has turned into over the past 2 seasons.

First four years of the show where they're following the books he's a master manipulator, orchestrating Jon Aryn's death, the whole War of Five Kings, Joffrey's eventual assassination, and seizing the power of the Vale. He's Varys' equal in connections and underground influences. He's a massive wildcard and a true threat to gaining the Iron Throne once all the chaos and wars he's instigated subside and he's there to pick up the pieces.

As soon the show passes where he is in the books, D&D transform him into a buffoon.

-Sending Sansa to Ramsay probably knowing already he's a terrible human being and the rape and abuse he puts her through makes her, the object of his affections, hate him.
-Send in the Vale army to win the Battle of the Bastards hoping to ingratiate yourself with the Starks, but then continuing to just be a creepy rear end in a top hat.
-"Hey, Jon, sorry to interrupt you in your PRIVATE FAMILY CRYPT as you're about to depart to possibly get burned alive by another Targ, but just wanna let you know I had the hots for your step mom and now for your sis-Jon why are you choking me?"

It's like he now basically just exists to be a trolling hate sink for the Northern characters since Cersei & Euron are down south contending with Dany's forces, and the Night King can't speak and still stuck beyond the wall and they NEED an antagonist of some kind to be there for the sake of being there. Whatever "grand master plan" his character was building to the first four seasons apparently no longer exists. And hoo boy if those spoilers are true is his end going to be as fittingly dumb as his character has become.

Littilefinger and Varys turning into incompetent, do-nothing exposition robots is one of the saddest parts of the show. Their scenes together in the early seasons were some of my favorite parts of the show.

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esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




JBP posted:

WESTEROS
NIGHT TIME
IT IS SPOOKY AT NIGHT

[Jon is riding a horse, Night King appears to him.]

Night King: U know nothing Jon Snow hahaha ur dead gf said that, idiot. I will do very inauspicious things to ur new friend

Jon Snow: I will defeat u Night Kign

Night Kign: Haha the outcome for u will be very disadvantageous

[Nihgt Kign disappears, Jon rides horse more]








[John furrows his brows]

Is this the leaked outline for episode 5???

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