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JailTrump posted:Maybe by having lived in countries where prisons look like this lol, you're basically the very slightly woker version of a cuban emigre at this point Also it's funny how suddenly the media shut the gently caress up about how horrible it was for Gabbard to like Modi when it turned out that both Harris and Neera Tanden were also fans.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:08
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Democrazy posted:I met Uretsky, the main person involved. He was National Data Director, which is traditionally considered a senior staff person. I was wrong about an aspect of the case, but considering how the facts are more damning, that's not quite good for you. i already accepted that it happened. i'm just not gonna lay this at the feet of the bernie campaign because i do not think he was a senior member of the campaign. he was the IT guy, and he acted on his own, by his own admission. he also has long ties to the dem party. all in all, none of this looks particularly damning, aside from bernie's access to this system being ripped away and people trying to smear him as trying to underhandedly beat hillary through trickery (dws and co). like, i'm even being nice and saying guy hacked hillary, even though it was more that the system being used had a failure that exposed her data to bernie's campaign (and likely vice versa). dude should've known better than to run queries on data he shouldn't have access to, even if he's trying to document the issue. that said, that's typically not referred to by hacking, but he could probably be charged with it so we say it's hacking. but the bernie campaign didn't hack hillary's campaign, that's just trying to paint this incident as having come from the top.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:09
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Goddamn this is not a good look. You're basically acting the Bernie version of Hillary supporters who feel compelled to defend to the death any tiny criticism of her. since when? i have never mentioned an HRC staffer, nor have i mentioned an incident committed by a staffer which hillary fired or distanced herself from. you're reaching
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like, if this guy hacked hillary's campaign, and then bernie kept him on i'd get why you guys are trying to claim the sanders campaign was hacking hillary. but that's not the situation. bernie made it clear he didn't support this kind of behavior, he cut ties with the person who did it, and it never happened again the remainder of the primary
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Aug 2, 2017 17:11
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ChairMaster posted:I feel like Kamala Harris has to be the final nail in the coffin for the Democrats, right? How can the party survive if someone like her can seriously get a large amount of support from anyone who pretends like they're not a straight up Republican? To be fair, nearly every instance of a parent getting prosecuted in CA for truancy (that I can find) has been hispanic.  Willie Tomg posted:Specifically, I'm bored of "I support mincome, UHC, and prison reform, but do not support any actual person who would dare advocate such outside of internet forums for reasons that I refuse to explain when freely allowed to expound upon in material detail" It's dull and tedious but you have to challenge their claims or else people will take them as fact. The sooner people realize why the democrats are a waste, the sooner we can rebuild the party.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:18
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Condiv posted:since when? i have never mentioned an HRC staffer, nor have i mentioned an incident committed by a staffer which hillary fired or distanced herself from. you're reaching You're basically saying Bernie's campaign can do no wrong and if something inappropriate happened it was someone acting completely on their own and actually secretly a DNC operative! Condiv posted:i already accepted that it happened. i'm just not gonna lay this at the feet of the bernie campaign because i do not think he was a senior member of the campaign. he was the IT guy, and he acted on his own, by his own admission. he also has long ties to the dem party. Emphasis mine.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:18
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There isn't a campaign on the planet where some staffers won't take a peek if you just go ahead and let them with a glitch that puts the opponents data right there. Maybe the democrats should stop hiring IT staff that are complete loving morons? The Russia hacks. This glitch. DWS's guy fleeing the country. It kind of seems like a systemic problem.
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Agnosticnixie posted:lol, you're basically the very slightly woker version of a cuban emigre at this point They do ? gently caress them then. Modi is a shithead. But the biggest problem with Gabbard is meeting with a literal war criminal using russian black money so I don't know what you're going on about.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:20
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"hi i'm just gonna leave my keys in my running vehicle also gonna leave my wallet all my credit cards my phone and social security number in there too oh no someone stole my car but i didn't do anything wrong  i'm just the dumbest motherfucker in the world which i why i work for the dnc"
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Aug 2, 2017 17:22
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Assad is trying to rid his country of wahabi terror. He deserves support for that.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:23
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FuriousxGeorge posted:There isn't a campaign on the planet where some staffers won't take a peek if you just go ahead and let them with a glitch that puts the opponents data right there. Maybe the democrats should stop hiring IT staff that are complete loving morons? The Russia hacks. This glitch. DWS's guy fleeing the country. It kind of seems like a systemic problem. That Buddy Ryan avatar is actually really appropriate for this comment.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:23
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JailTrump posted:They do ? "Russian black money"... what?
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Aug 2, 2017 17:24
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DeadlyMuffin posted:You're basically saying Bernie's campaign can do no wrong and if something inappropriate happened it was someone acting completely on their own and actually secretly a DNC operative! I wasn't pretending he's a DNC operative. Why would someone with long term ties to the dem party hack the dnc on Bernie's orders. Its p drat obvious that an IT guy stumbled on a bug and tried to investigate it himself instead of reporting it immediately. It was a poor choice, not some deliberate hacking attack on Hillary And Bernie's campaign did nothing wrong. Once they realized what a staffer had done they fired him and cut ties immediately. They did exactly as they should've.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:27
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Democrazy posted:That Buddy Ryan avatar is actually really appropriate for this comment. Trade the DNC IT crew for a six pack, it doesn't even have to be cold.
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ChairMaster posted:I feel like Kamala Harris has to be the final nail in the coffin for the Democrats, right? How can the party survive if someone like her can seriously get a large amount of support from anyone who pretends like they're not a straight up Republican? Nobody came at it that way though. Google only has 2 results for that alleged harris quote, I'm taking it with a grain of salt. That's a real lovely policy, but that quote seems questionable. Anything bad said by anyone Harris has ever met will be held against her, clearly, regardless of her actual level involvement in the situation, but that doesn't mean they are reflective of her actual stance on things. Edit- as DA she prosecuted people.  Her stated reasons seem noble, but I'd be curious to see how each of those cases played out. Disparate impact is a real concern, as you mentioned.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:35
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Crowsbeak posted:Assad is trying to rid his country of wahabi terror. He deserves support for that.  Agnosticnixie posted:"Russian black money"... what? https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/01/the-organization-that-sent-tulsi-gabbard-to-syria/514763/
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Aug 2, 2017 17:36
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Are you seriously focusing on the trans thing? Do you have some kind of censor program on your computer created by the DNC to only allow you to see the things that you can dismiss more easily? I meant to imply in that post that yes obviously you can sweep transphobia under the rug because most people don't really give a poo poo about trans people in real life, but for her to so brazenly give the middle finger to the supposed base of the Democratic party (ie racial minorities and people who give a poo poo about racism) is just insanity.
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I'm not focusing on the trans thing, I'm focusing on the "here is a vague connection between harris and something i disagree with, obviously she is a monster" thing.ChairMaster posted:her to so brazenly give the middle finger to the supposed base of the Democratic party (ie racial minorities and people who give a poo poo about racism) is just insanity. Which is why I'm not convinced that's actually what she did. That and the fact that that alleged quote doesn't seem to exist on the internet beyond a single source and a single direct reference to that source. The impact of those prosecutions as DA would be interesting to see. Was she actually going around throwing a bunch of parents in jail, or are you just assuming that because you don't like her? Do you have any evidence that she targeted or even disproportionately impacted minorities? Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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Aug 2, 2017 17:40
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Sneakster posted:Nothing lasts forever is an even better one. lol we say, as we buy our 9th iphone while eating mcdonalds and being the biggest consumers of any generation
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Aug 2, 2017 17:42
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Al Borland Corp. posted:And thanks, before I had said I had only seen extremists from the Clinton wing and not the Bernie ones. Now I have. Get the gently caress over the primary. Hillarymen just love telling people to "get over" things, don't they? If they'd won, they'd be telling us to get over Bernie. They lost, they're telling us to get over Bernie. They deliver pizza slogans, Jon Ossoff, and utter failure to communicate a single positive reason to vote for them... and they're telling us to get over the most popular politician in the US. Y'all should lose the right to speak and be forced to listen for, like, a whole year post 11/9.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:44
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Bernie Sanders is a capitalist.
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Condiv posted:i never denied the "hacking" happened. i denied that it was the sanders campaign instead of one aid. and you still haven't provided a good reason why i should assume his campaign was behind it? Shut up centrist.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:44
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:Bernie Sanders is a capitalist. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:lol Yes, we get it, you're very clever with your forwards, grandpa
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All the people bitching about how we're in the worst timeline are loving stupid. Considering the circumstances of 2016 we're actually in the best case scenario: -Abuela loses but is able to hide the fact that she owns slaves to a popular vote victory, meaning there's reason to for worthless children to bitch and whine that she'd have won if the rules were different . If she'd have narrowly squeaked it out Trump would still be disputing the election, meaning we'd have an illegitimate president given our systems.-Due to that Trump comes in with historically low approval ratings for a new president, meaning there's no grace period nor any real mandate for the party to follow. The same would have been said for Abuela, but without full control of Congress the excuses would be flying out of everyone's mouth. -Trump's ineffective for his first six months with no real policy wins and in-fighting among his staff. Damage is kept to a minimum, as opposed to what a Ted Cruz presidency could have looked like. Abuela would be the same way; we'd still be at eight Supremes and motions of impeachment would be coming out of the House on a weekly basis. It's also reasonable to assume that her Cabinet would mostly be unfilled as every nominee is shot down. -The GOP wasn't prepared to actually have to try and overturn Obamacare and with the unexpected sweep in gov control had to rush to try and get something across the goal line, only to suffer a massive own goal instead that'll have ramifications down the line from the voters and more importantly the donors. Abuela in charge means Ryan/McConnell get to obstruct and kick the can down the road to 2020 (whether they're prepared by then is a whole other deal but they'd have a better shot at being prepared by then). -An Abuela victory hides how worthless the centrist dems really are and gives them reason to shout down the leftists. Taking such a massive L means the dems can move to the left if they can stop being fundamentally worthless for just two seconds. It's the very definition of taking a painful short term loss for significant long term gains if only they're not the dumbest piles of poo poo in existence. We're better off today with President Trump in charge and we have the potential to be significantly better off down the line. People who don't realize this are blind to reality and should be cast aside like the filth they are.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:46
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Ytlaya posted:This is from a while back, but I feel like this statistic is being heavily abused. It's kind of obvious that Bernie would have higher support among black people than white people, simply by virtue of the fact that the vast majority of black people are Democrats (or at least aren't Republican). Literally any Democratic politician would poll better among black voters than white voters for this reason. You keep pointing this out while ignoring the fact that Sanders polls better than Clinton today. Among Democrats and not among Democrats.
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ChairMaster posted:Are you seriously focusing on the trans thing? Do you have some kind of censor program on your computer created by the DNC to only allow you to see the things that you can dismiss more easily? I meant to imply in that post that yes obviously you can sweep transphobia under the rug because most people don't really give a poo poo about trans people in real life, but for her to so brazenly give the middle finger to the supposed base of the Democratic party (ie racial minorities and people who give a poo poo about racism) is just insanity. It's nuts how the very thing we worried about happening-- centrists disappearing up their own rear end with hillary lost cause of racism-- has come to pass and the hillaries are now jettisoning social justice as fast as they can to appeal to trumplords Jailtrump wants to cater to islamophobia, nevvy z to transphobia!
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call to action posted:You keep pointing this out while ignoring the fact that Sanders polls better than Clinton today. Among Democrats and not among Democrats. And who does he think he is anyway, ignoring something that isn't the subject of his post.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:49
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Nevvy Z posted:Do you have any evidence that she targeted or even disproportionately impacted minorities? Is this a joke? Are you serious? Nevvy Z posted:The impact of those prosecutions as DA would be interesting to see. Was she actually going around throwing a bunch of parents in jail, or are you just assuming that because you don't like her? I didn't know who she was until today, and I don't like her because I did some research and learned that she is a monstrous human being. I really don't see what it matters if she ruins peoples lives and fucks over minority communities for generations to come based on ignorance or malice.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:50
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:lol We aren't the biggest consumers of any generation by any metric, though? Nevvy Z posted:And who does he think he is anyway, ignoring something that isn't the subject of his post. ::pushes up glasses:: well you see, black people only like Bernie because they're Democrats ::furiously ignores data showing that black Democrats like Bernie more than Hillary and that, therefore, there must be an actual basis for support in that community besides party affiliation::
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Aug 2, 2017 17:51
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ChairMaster posted:Is this a joke? Are you serious? If that's what you are accusing her of doing, yes I am. ChairMaster posted:I really don't see what it matters if she ruins peoples lives and fucks over minority communities for generations to come based on ignorance or malice. Did she do those two things? 1. Ruin peoples lives 2. gently caress over minority communities Can you show me evidence of that beyond "she supports a law, and laws often hurt minorities"? You didn't understand ytalas post. Which is sad, because he's consistently the best poster in this thread. Or you did, but you are arguing past him. He was just nitpicking a statistic. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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yronic heroism posted:Shut up centrist. 
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Aug 2, 2017 17:52
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Nevvy Z posted:You didn't understand ytalas post. Which is sad, because he's consistently the best poster in this thread. its actually a really stupid post and Bernie sanders is the most popular politician amongst people of color truth hurts, wrap it centrist failure
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Ah, nevvy is now embracing "systemic racism not real Nevvy Z posted:If that's what you are accusing her of doing, yes I am. Great news republicans! Systemic racism and insidiously racist legislation doesn't matter any more as long as it's not completely obvious you meant to harm minorities! - democrat supreme nevvy z
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Aug 2, 2017 17:56
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:lol If only millennials spent less on avocado toast, smart phones, and cable subscriptions, they could pay off their student loan debt, buy a half million dollar home, a few diamond rings, and then a congress person with what's left over.
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Condiv posted:Great news republicans! Systemic racism and insidiously racist legislation doesn't matter any more as long as it's not completely obvious you meant to harm minorities! - democrat supreme nevvy z ps if you dont vote centrist you're the real racist
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Nevvy Z posted:well yes kamala Harris backed legislation that would send disproportionate numbers of minorities to jail, but that's only bad when republicans do it!
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Are you asking for evidence that truancy is a much larger issue for black and hispanic families than white families? Or evidence that Kamala Harris is such an ignorant person that she isn't aware of that? I can't honestly say that I have any evidence of the latter, but it's so insane to pretend like she wouldn't know that that I hadn't considered it. Why exactly do you think children are truant, exactly? Do you think it's because parents don't give a poo poo that their kids are missing school? Do you not understand that the people living in the worst of American society sometimes cannot work two or three jobs while simultaneously making sure that their kids are attending school, or even needing one of them to stay home to take care of a younger child that does not yet attend school? America doesn't have affordable daycare, if you hadn't noticed. The very basic luxuries I can only assume you've taken for granted your whole life do not apply to the vast majority of poor minority families in America. Am I stuck explaining the very base causes of social issues in a thread about politics that are supposed to help those most in need? Are there seriously people posting here, or who can be thought of as politically engaged that do not understand any of the things I just spelled out?
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Nevvy Z posted:You didn't understand ytalas post. Which is sad, because he's consistently the best poster in this thread. Or you did, but you are arguing past him. He was just nitpicking a statistic. Nah, you didn't understand my post. Feel free to read Ytlaya's original post again, in which they take issue with the "black people like Bernie" statistic by pointing out that "of course they would, they're Democrats". I then point out that the most well-known and, allegedly, most minority-friendly Democrat actually polls worse among a friendly population (black Democratic voters). If Ytlaya had a good point, Lincoln Chaffee would have the same approval rating as Bernie does among black people because hey, they're Dems, right? If you didn't understand that, here's a tl;dr black people like Bernie more than any Democrat as of today
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