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Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

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FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Who's "the left" in this sentence? Because with Democrats, I don't' get that feeling at all.

The democrats are the party of the aristocracy that likes gay marriage and abortion.

That's pretty much it.


Byolante posted:

My main concern with the currently direction of most of the left is the absolute belief that taking away personal freedoms from people who don't think right is a virtuous thing. Just yesterday a #resistance woke on twitter stepped up to tell Chelsea Manning if she didn't start supporting Kamala Harris for 2020 she should be sent back to jail for standing in the way of racial and sexual justice. It feels like I have fallen into the videoclip for take me to church with the sort of people leading the idpol left.

Yeah there's people already trying to get people to get in line behind Kamela Harris and people are going "uh...NO."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTZCm5U9Igk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFcX0mZc1ao
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2015/05/05/harris-renews-effort-to-block-gender-reassignment-for-trans-inmate/

With democrats like this, who needs loving republicans?


sword_man.gif posted:

it's that kind of poo poo that's left me tired of the whole loving thing. and you can't say a goddamn word because then suddenly you love trump and want to melt transsexuals in acid.

i'm sick of both goddamn sides of this poo poo. everybody's lost their goddamn minds and it feels like you can't listen to a single person because they demand you either dedicate yourself full maga or dedicate yourself full whatever the gently caress the democrats want.

These assholes found some sort of power during the primaries, and no one stopped them. They preyed upon the good will of a lot of lefties and used it agaInst us. They smeared as racist/sexists and as bad as anything you could dig up about Trump, meanwhile they cheer-leaded for republican-like policies.

They ran interference and then led us to directly to the US electing Trump. gently caress them.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.
How bad is Harris. I don't follow the suck zone because it makes me want death. Is she running?

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!
She strongly supports civil asset forfeiture and was AG in a state with one of the worst prison systems in the country. It seems like politicians with a law enforcement background invariably have some awful views on criminal justice issues.

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747

Dapper_Swindler posted:

How bad is Harris. I don't follow the suck zone because it makes me want death. Is she running?

Her representative in a court case about refusing to release paroled prisoners from prison made the argument that freeing them would deprive the state of a valuable low cost workforce.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Dapper_Swindler posted:

How bad is Harris. I don't follow the suck zone because it makes me want death. Is she running?

about as bad as hildog, complete with slavery

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747
Dream Daddy is a new dating sim on Steam, currently on the best seller list. It is a game were you play a single dad who goes out and tries to romance other single dads in the hopes of finding your own dream dad.



It has a wide variety of dads to cater to every type of dad fancier, including a trans man dad ( the vampire dude).

Ohnips is a female webcomic artist who does fan art pieces occaisionally and decided to make a genderbent piece of the dads



Que too woke twitter meltdown over genderbending a trans person leading to death threats and forcing an artist from social media

https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/890639187040448512

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Byolante posted:

Dream Daddy is a new dating sim on Steam, currently on the best seller list. It is a game were you play a single dad who goes out and tries to romance other single dads in the hopes of finding your own dream dad.



It has a wide variety of dads to cater to every type of dad fancier, including a trans man dad ( the vampire dude).

Ohnips is a female webcomic artist who does fan art pieces occaisionally and decided to make a genderbent piece of the dads



Que too woke twitter meltdown over genderbending a trans person leading to death threats and forcing an artist from social media

https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/890639187040448512

Why? Wtf is wrong with people. Is this poo poo ever going to die?

Hemingway To Go!
Nov 10, 2008

im stupider then dog shit, i dont give a shit, and i dont give a fuck, and i will never shut the fuck up, and i'll always Respect my enemys.
- ernest hemingway
dream daddy was attempting to have a liberal audience with social values in their game but online liberals have gone loving nuts.

tumblr fandom has gone nuts. they harass people who make cartoons for not making their ships canon, and not only do they attack each other about liking different things than they do because it's problematic and use social justice to justify that but they attack others about having different imaginary relationships between fictional characters than they do, again using social justice concepts.

I'm worried that a lot of kids who just want to talk about the shows they like online, or their fanfictions, or whatever, will have tumblr and twitter as their first political exposure and be driven far right.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

nick monroe followed up that tweet by saying that Dream Daddy fans are worse than Steven Universe fans, but i'd give SU the edge because they harassed a storyboarder off of all social media sites after ruining a popular fan ship during an episode. also apparently they nearly drove a young girl to suicide

point is, online fandoms are loving terrible. i'd sooner take 20 of the worst philly or boston sports fans over one of the worst SU, Dream Daddy etc. fans

Guy Goodbody posted:

When people* say the collapse of the Soviet Union was bad for Russian people, they don't mean the Soviet Union was good. They mean the wholesale dismantling of the country by gangsters and capitalists and con-men was bad. The collapse of the Soviet Union turned Russia into a hosed up oligarchy with one of the highest rates of inequality in the world.
don't forget larry summers and his boys swooping in and contributing to that gross inequality. i once saw a map of all the countries in the world with a flat tax rate and most of them were ex-soviet republics

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747
What i can't understand is how somebody with a history of representing lgbtq stuff in her art can be declared a bigot for a single work and pilloried by the masses. I don't understand how something like support for gender identity issues can end in such virulent hatred.

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!
Wokes don't give a poo poo, they'll even attack lesbian filmmakers best known for making early films about trans issues.

http://www.newnownext.com/kimberly-peirce-boys-dont-cry-protest/12/2016/

quote:

Students at Oregon’s Reed College heckled lesbian filmmaker Kimberly Peirce during a recent screening of her seminal 1999 biopic em>Boys Don’t Cry.

Carrying posters that read “gently caress your transphobia” and “You don’t loving get it” among other things,” the student protestors were angry Peirce had cast cisgender actress Hilary Swank, who won the Oscar for her performance, instead of a trans man.

Other were bothered by what they saw as the glorification of rape and violence against trans bodies, and a cis filmmaker “profiting” off the death of a transgender person.

On the podium where Peirce was to speak was a placard that read “gently caress this cis white bitch!”

After the protestors continually shouted over her, the filmmaker left the room. She returned when rules were established for the discussion, but the event soon descended into name-calling again.

After one student yelled “gently caress you scared bitch,” they all filed out and Peirce left campus.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

i first read about that incident right after it happened and it made me ill. the gendered insults were horrifying. i guess it's ok to call a woman a "bitch" if they're perceived as more privileged

edit: it's worth noting that one reason why these students were angry that the person who played Brandon Teena wasn't trans, when the irl Brandon Teena didn't identify as such

get that OUT of my face has issued a correction as of 05:10 on Aug 2, 2017

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Byolante posted:

What i can't understand is how somebody with a history of representing lgbtq stuff in her art can be declared a bigot for a single work and pilloried by the masses. I don't understand how something like support for gender identity issues can end in such virulent hatred.

Because only the sinless enter heaven or some poo poo.

Slow-Scan Shep
Jul 11, 2001

Byolante posted:

What i can't understand is how somebody with a history of representing lgbtq stuff in her art can be declared a bigot for a single work and pilloried by the masses. I don't understand how something like support for gender identity issues can end in such virulent hatred.

it's very easy to understand when you've been around long enough to see that (much like their rightist opposition) many of the "wokes" have channeled and re-sculpted their old forum bullying behavior into an activism strategy. others with no history of net bullying behavior basically skipped that intermediary (and apolitical) step and went straight into politics. a good many from this younger set then wound up emulating the behavior of their older peers (that did go through that phase) anyway

they've all done this as transparently as they think they can get away with, and once you see where the rage actually comes from (it's declassing 9 times out of 10, as always) it's very difficult to unsee

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

get that OUT of my face posted:

i first read about that incident right after it happened and it made me ill. the gendered insults were horrifying. i guess it's ok to call a woman a "bitch" if they're perceived as more privileged

edit: it's worth noting that one reason why these students were angry that the person who played Brandon Teena wasn't trans, when the irl Brandon Teena didn't identify as such

As long as you can dig yourself a deep enough hole, all punches are up!

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Dapper_Swindler posted:

Because only the sinless enter heaven or some poo poo.

That's the pattern I'm noticing.

It really is their own religion and I'm even noticing various patterns attached to fundamentalists. Hell, even the fundraising efforts are eerily similar to what we've seen in the past from televangelists. Look at this video I'm linking below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW1dUvFDVzU

It's just surreal. It's literally the worst aspects of organized religion all in one "secular" package.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
This woke movement sure has pitchfork and torch manufacturers rubbing their hands with glee.

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747
The first time i saw somebody accused of having internalized misogyny because they weren't siding with the mob i knew something had gone terribly wrong with the world. Oh yeah the only reason you aren't part of the vigilante justice club is because you are brainwashed.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
This is why they do all the virtue signaling. They are terrified by the idea that their own communities could turn on them at the drop of a hat if they don't constantly assert their allegiance.

sword_man.gif
Apr 12, 2007

Fun Shoe

Byolante posted:

What i can't understand is how somebody with a history of representing lgbtq stuff in her art can be declared a bigot for a single work and pilloried by the masses. I don't understand how something like support for gender identity issues can end in such virulent hatred.

it's the same goddamn poo poo that grew out of tumblr years ago when people claimed to be headmating homestuck trolls or what the gently caress ever and to Check Your Privledge, except now instead of hiding behind something completely, obviously insane, they try to hide behind real issues in an attempt to cover up the fact that in reality they're all just loving assholes

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

MaxxBot posted:

She strongly supports civil asset forfeiture and was AG in a state with one of the worst prison systems in the country. It seems like politicians with a law enforcement background invariably have some awful views on criminal justice issues.
The absurd policies of civil asset forfeiture and the fact that 0.7% of all americans are literally behind bars (this excludes parole completely) is just loving insane. We live in a police state by any reasonable definition. Fixing these issues should be one of the top progressive platform policy positions, but we can't even get the democratic party to get behind something as milquetoast as decriminalizing loving marijuana.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

quote:

In October 2013, the incarceration rate of the United States of America was the highest in the world, at 716 per 100,000 of the national population. While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZolcPwwb6E&


"When you welcome people who voted TWICE for George W. Bush ? Then what's the loving point of your party. Your party should REPULSE those people. You should be making those people go "I don't wanna be in that party"

I like how idiots keep claiming Bernie supporters would be fully on board with pro-life candidates when it's been the exact opposite.

also this:

https://twitter.com/ActualFlatticus/status/892458775994564608

https://twitter.com/Fixer_guy/status/892593659467583488

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

comedyblissoption posted:

The absurd policies of civil asset forfeiture and the fact that 0.7% of all americans are literally behind bars (this excludes parole completely) is just loving insane. We live in a police state by any reasonable definition. Fixing these issues should be one of the top progressive platform policy positions, but we can't even get the democratic party to get behind something as milquetoast as decriminalizing loving marijuana.

Yeah that's why I view this is one of my top issues and I'll even praise people like Cory Booker and Rand Paul because they're some of the few who seem to give this issue sufficient attention.

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

Actually I thought this was a diagram of openly declared socialists vs people who have ever been elected to national office in the entire history of the United States

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

steinrokkan posted:

This woke movement sure has pitchfork and torch manufacturers rubbing their hands with glee.

Torch manufacturers need to step up their game to keep up with recent demand. Last time the white supremacists marched they were forced to use tiki torches

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

zegermans posted:

Actually I thought this was a diagram of openly declared socialists vs people who have ever been elected to national office in the entire history of the United States

how many graves lie on the path from one to the other?

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

got any sevens posted:

how many graves lie on the path from one to the other?

Don't give this person the time of day. Look at their rap sheet.

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

MaxxBot posted:

Yeah that's why I view this is one of my top issues and I'll even praise people like Cory Booker and Rand Paul because they're some of the few who seem to give this issue sufficient attention.

If you're prepared to praise a terminal poo poo like Rand loving Paul for anything short of renouncing his ideology and throwing himself off a bridge then your priorities really need attention

I mean unless you consider 'destroy the government and privatize the prisons and also legalize weed' to be sane criminal justice reform then you hosed up

some plague rats has issued a correction as of 00:47 on Aug 3, 2017

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

you can agree w/ some of the things rand paul says without agreeing with everything he says

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

comedyblissoption posted:

you can agree w/ some of the things rand paul says without agreeing with everything he says

Every position Rand Paul takes that sounds agreeable is taken for the worst reasons and is a step on the path to something much worse

He's a libertarian psycho just like his rear end in a top hat dad only he's polite about it so idiots give him a pass on poo poo

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

FuzzySkinner posted:

Don't give this person the time of day. Look at their rap sheet.

Nice ad hominem.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012


I've just dealt with this guy before.

If you want to get in a pages long pissing match where he pretty much labels everyone who doesn't agree with him a "Bernie Bro", and pedantically calls those that don't agree with his point of view as "Followers of Saint Bernard", by all means, be my guest.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3796651&pagenumber=548&perpage=40#post467709639

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
Heh, that's a nice logical fallacy you got there, sure would be a shame if someone pointed it out

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

Crane Fist posted:

Heh, that's a nice logical fallacy you got there, sure would be a shame if someone pointed it out

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
Sir! Sir! You've broken Debate Law. You must forfeit all debate assets and remain in debate jail for a term no less than 5 years.

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

Crane Fist posted:

Every position Rand Paul takes that sounds agreeable is taken for the worst reasons and is a step on the path to something much worse

He's a libertarian psycho just like his rear end in a top hat dad only he's polite about it so idiots give him a pass on poo poo

Then it's really saying something that he's like the most vocal senator on criminal justice issues second to maybe Cory Booker who also has bad positions on other issues. Obviously Rand Paul is worse and I would never vote for him but it's totally possible to recognize that people are good on a couple issues. My point is more that anti-drug war positions should be the default Dem position but instead you have to turn to kooky Rand Paul and neoliberal darling Cory Booker to find someone who gives a poo poo.

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!
Also, libertarian positions on foreign policy are more sane and rational than the bipartisan consensus of foreverwar, which is probably the main reason why the whole Ron Paul thing took off in the first place. My preference would be a more active diplomatic approach as opposed to Ron who basically wanted isolationism but that's still preferable to both parties championing blowing trillions on blowing up poo poo in the mideast.

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Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747
Tulsi Gabbard, who never met a muslim she didn't think would be better off dead, somehow has a better foreign policy position than most politicians

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