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and centrists wonder why nobody likes them you can't even talk about not needlessly brutalizing the poor without them claiming you want to completely dismantle rule of law then again, maybe that says a lot about our society that we can't show an ounce of compassion to the poor, but we let rich shitheads off the hook for destroying the livelihoods of millions intentionally cause they are so refined
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we've got the largest prison population in the world, but centrists can't wait to cram more people into our jails we've got eternal overcrowding problems in californian prisons, but centrists want to shove more nonviolent offenders in for 1 year stints (they need more free prison labor) centrists apparently relish the police state we're living in now, but we're obligated to vote for centrist candidates? hell loving no imo!
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Condiv posted:we've got the largest prison population in the world, but centrists can't wait to cram more people into our jails Yes, but the US Justice/prison system is famously focused on rehabilitation and lololol. j/k
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If only the Democrats would propose decriminalizing child abuse, they'd finally have some electoral victories -- a moron.
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Condiv posted:and centrists wonder why nobody likes them You're the one saying that anybody who considers a career as a prosecutor is a psychopath. I don't know what the gently caress exactly you want. There is no prison system that I suspect would actually work in this country that would make you happy. Prisons in the US are not perfect. A lot of minorities go to prison unfairly yes. There is a system that puts them into prisons even when there innocent. But that does not make up the majority of minorities in prison. The bigger system is the one that puts them in situations that end up having them commit the crimes that end up sending them to prison. The bigger system is the one that is a pipeline from the day of release - back to prison. We can decrease the amount of prisoners in Prison but we need to focus on rehabilitation. And that comes before any idea of not prosecuting people who commit serious crimes and sending them to prison. States, Cities, Counties, and Countries have to have prosecutors. That's part of civilization. And for those falsly qualifying saying "Centrists want to send more people to jail." I have yet to hear one say that publicly or use it as a major campaign position. JailTrump fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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Ardennes posted:Let's be honest, the US has a habit of combating with any social ill (drug use, homelessness, mental health) and I guess truancy as well with police and prison time. It doesn't work, and if anything it shows how if anything our society times to use fear to cover up the massive social issues. Gotta keep those Negroes and Mexicans in line - centrists
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JeffersonClay posted:Willful neglect of a child's educational needs is child abuse you loving moron. It's not always willful, that's the part you're not getting. There's nothing in the law that lets someone off the hook for having good intentions or trying real hard. It's entirely up to the discretion of school officials and the prosecutor's office to decide if a situation warrants charges and there are countless examples of them having poor judgement in these matters.
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JeffersonClay posted:If only the Democrats would propose decriminalizing child abuse, they'd finally have some electoral victories -- a moron. truancy isn't child abuse. the parent may not be able to force their kid to go to school due to having to work, or any of a number of other reasons. conflating truancy and child abuse makes you a piece of poo poo
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:imagine looking at the criminal justice system in america and thinking to yourself "i want to put people in jail as my career" First they jail the vulnerable for their own self-aggrandizement, next thing you know they're forcing Tuvix onto the transporter pad at phaser-point.
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JailTrump posted:I don't know what the gently caress exactly you want. yeah you do. don't jail parents for truant kids. that's what i want. it's really loving obvious if you're not a moron
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This conversation yet again (as if poo poo like the iraq war vote wasn't enough) makes it clear that centrists are pretty obviously psychopaths. The scary part is that the mainstream media will never let anyone point this out like is happening in this thread and Harris will be the nominee.
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Condiv posted:yeah you do. don't jail parents for truant kids. that's what i want. it's really loving obvious if you're not a moron I don't know of any cases where that has happened. And I agree with that. Jailing parents for truant kids is wrong. Politics can not solve the education crisis in America. Nor can police. We need a shift in culture to do that. We need to promote the love of Christ in peoples lives and the unity of family.
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JailTrump posted:This loving Kamala Harris Derail is the stupidest loving thing. Gosh you guys stop talking about the biggest prison population in the entire world. Those are just minor issues!
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FuriousxGeorge posted:This conversation yet again (as if poo poo like the iraq war vote wasn't enough) makes it clear that centrists are pretty obviously psychopaths. The scary part is that the mainstream media will never let anyone point this out like is happening in this thread and Harris will be the nominee. Nah, they'll abandon her pretty quick once they realize the left isn't taking their bait and pivot over to somebody like Dick Suckerberg. That's what you kids like, right? The facebook man???
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Considering that this thread is called "The democrats are a waste," a discussion of Harris and her beliefs seems pretty on topic to me. Most worrisome part of 2020, is that there so many terrible options and almost certainly one of them will get the nomination. Gillibrand, Booker, Harris, Hillary (Part 3) and the Zuck are basically there basically isn't a choice. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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JailTrump posted:I don't know of any cases where that has happened. Call Me Charlie posted:The fine is up to $2000. The jail time can be up to 1 year in prison. JailTrump posted:We need a shift in culture to do that. We need to promote the love of Christ in peoples lives and the unity of family. lmao what in the gently caress is this poo poo?
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JailTrump posted:I don't know of any cases where that has happened. i quoted one up earlier in the thread. also, kamala harris is actually wanting to send parents to jail for a year if they can't afford a $2k fine. educate yourself quote:And I agree with that. Jailing parents for truant kids is wrong. it's hard to do those kind of things without reducing the strain on low income families. and you can't do that by fining or jailing them for truancy. it doesn't work.
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You know, she could have pushed for community service on the weekends or something instead of jail time. It would be inconvenient enough to give school officials negotiating power while not forcing people into the justice system and ruining their records forever. Just saying, there are solutions to truancy that aren't "force more people into jail". So conflating being against jail time with being pro child abuse is more than a little disingenuous.
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Scent of Worf posted:Gosh you guys stop talking about the biggest prison population in the entire world. Those are just minor issues! That's right! Look at the big picture, how are we going to retrain green jobs to employers in the marketplace of global competitiveness while synergizing productivity and connectivity as we built this bridge throughout the 21st century? Democrats know!
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Condiv posted:truancy isn't child abuse. the parent may not be able to force their kid to go to school due to having to work, or any of a number of other reasons. conflating truancy and child abuse makes you a piece of poo poo readingatwork posted:It's not always willful, that's the part you're not getting. There's nothing in the law that lets someone off the hook for having good intentions or trying real hard. It's entirely up to the discretion of school officials and the prosecutor's office to decide if a situation warrants charges and there are countless examples of them having poor judgement in these matters. Wrong. http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/ai/tr/ quote:Penal Code Section 270.1. (a) A parent or guardian of a pupil of six years of age or more who is in kindergarten or any of grades one to eight, inclusive, and who is subject to compulsory full-time education or compulsory continuation education, whose child is a chronic truant as defined in Section 48263.6 of the EC, who has failed to reasonably supervise and encourage the pupil's school attendance, and who has been offered language accessible support services to address the pupil's truancy, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment. A parent or guardian guilty of a misdemeanor under this subdivision may participate in the deferred entry of judgment program defined in subdivision (b). 1) Student needs to be chronically truant. That means missing more than 10% of school, non-excused, so illness/family event doesn't count. 2) Parent is only prosecutable if they've failed to "reasonably supervise and encourage school attendance" 3) Parent is only prosecutable if they've previously received "language accessible support services to address the pupil's truancy". 4) If found guilty, the court has a substantial number of non-fine, non-incarceration options as remedies. JeffersonClay fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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Call Me Charlie posted:Nah, they'll abandon her pretty quick once they realize the left isn't taking their bait and pivot over to somebody like Dick Suckerberg. That's what you kids like, right? The facebook man??? The fact that the centrist wing is still fielding candidates for 2020 instead of just running with Warren is curious. Maybe Warren isn't the centrist shill people worry she is? JailTrump posted:We need a shift in culture to do that. We need to promote the love of Christ in peoples lives and the unity of family. OK you have me curious. How do we do this exactly and how will it lead to less truancy?
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Condiv posted:the craziest thing about this truancy argument is that i've already linked an expert saying there are way better methods for dealing with truancy and punishment has no actual proven effect on truancy. centrists have ignored this evidence based approach to policy to continue to endorse brutalizing the poor. cause they're loving monsters More specifically, they embraced the methodology of the right, the only way to control society is a heavy hand. If anything is resembles creeping authoritarianism, just without an open ideology. readingatwork posted:The fact that the centrist wing is still fielding candidates for 2020 instead of just running with Warren is curious. Maybe Warren isn't the centrist shill people worry she is? I would say Booker/Giliband/Harris are still to the right of Warren. Warren's issue is she is in sort of a no-man's land between the centrist wing and the now more hardened left-wing. The centrist wing stoutly refuses to ever compromise, and the left-wing has become sick of it. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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Just Wolrd Fallacy posted:Wrong.  quote:When you’re talking about older kids, sometimes those kids are really not under the parents control any more. I’ve had plenty of parents tell me, “I don’t know what to do. I drop my child off at school and watch him walk through the front door and then the school does nothing to keep him there, and he walks right out the back door, and then the school calls me and yells at me.” "fining and jailing parents like this is the obvious solution" - jc
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quote:The case is far more likely that there is some real problem in the family that is preventing the parent from getting the child to school. It can be a mental health problem on the part of the parent, or an economic problem. It can be all kinds of things, there are plenty of real barriers. But levying a fine does nothing to remove any of the barriers you can possibly think of that might be preventing a family from getting a kid to school. "but jail time will definitely help the problem!" - JC
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JeffersonClay posted:I bet Kamala Harris threatened to put parents guilty of child neglect in prison too, that racist! No, what she did was almost certainly quite racist. I'm sure she probably didn't have racist intentions, but policies that have a disproportionate negative impact on minorities are generally intrinsically racist, and families with truant students are disproportionately of color. The fact that Harris is herself a person of color does not somehow inoculate her from the results of her actions. PoC leaders in the 90's were also largely complicit in Clinton's harmful reforms in the 90's, for example, but that doesn't make their result any less racist.
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That's a pretty sad retort considering you've been proven decisively wrong. Also, the law only applies to kids in elementary and middle school. "Older kids, not really under their parent's control any more" don't qualify. And again, the court has a number of non-fine, non-incarceration remedies, and parents can only be found guilty after they've received support services designed to help them make their kids go to school.
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