Blackfyre posted:

What's grimoire and what's the past drama then

Blackfyre posted:

What's grimoire and what's the past drama then

Chairchucker posted:

Cleveland Blakemore was involved in the making of Wizardry 7, split with Sirtech when they made Wizardry 8, has been making Grimoire for the past billion years which will be a 'true sequel' to Wizardry 7, has been talking about how it will be the best game ever and anyone who doesn't like it is dumb and bad, is also an awful human being.

JustJeff88 posted:

I could just be very naïve, but I don't understand what Cleve's "scam" is here... getting a Steam page for the game and then constantly not releasing it with a series of excuses that sound more and more contrived. Obviously the man has a massive ego and, putting aside the very real possibility that he is mentally ill, I don't see what he gains by constantly yanking away the carrott of a game that may or may not exist. All I can think of is that either he is a raving perfectionist with serious OCD (to which I can relate) who can't stand the idea of people playing his magnum opus until it's perfect in his eyes, which it may never be, or he's pulling some kind of con. The problem with the latter scenario is that conmen have their eyes on the money, and he's not making any dosh on a game that he won't sell. I could very well be missing something, but all I can see right now is someone loving with a small number of people for the simple reasons of wanting to gently caress with people, yet no profit motive.

JustJeff88 posted:

I could just be very naïve, but I don't understand what Cleve's "scam" is here... getting a Steam page for the game and then constantly not releasing it with a series of excuses that sound more and more contrived. Obviously the man has a massive ego and, putting aside the very real possibility that he is mentally ill, I don't see what he gains by constantly yanking away the carrott of a game that may or may not exist. All I can think of is that either he is a raving perfectionist with serious OCD (to which I can relate) who can't stand the idea of people playing his magnum opus until it's perfect in his eyes, which it may never be, or he's pulling some kind of con. The problem with the latter scenario is that conmen have their eyes on the money, and he's not making any dosh on a game that he won't sell. I could very well be missing something, but all I can see right now is someone loving with a small number of people for the simple reasons of wanting to gently caress with people, yet no profit motive.

Synthbuttrange posted:

Blackfyre posted:

What's grimoire and what's the past drama then

Dr. Quarex posted:

Yeah please do not overlook his praise for... Was it Goebbels or Goering who he said was a genius like him? Oddly I do not care to re-find his insane screeds about Neanderthals and autistic superpowers and ugh just remembering it is making me sad.

The game does look fun though. Cannot argue with that.

Chairchucker posted:

Cleveland Blakemore was involved in the making of Wizardry 7, split with Sirtech when they made Wizardry 8, has been making Grimoire for the past billion years which will be a 'true sequel' to Wizardry 7, has been talking about how it will be the best game ever and anyone who doesn't like it is dumb and bad, is also an awful human being.

cool new Metroid game posted:

cleve was a coder in a cancelled wiz game. the whole story of that is pretty amusing.

Tendales posted:

Like, the turning animation was obviously created by someone who has never actually physically rotated in his life. Instead of any kind of actual rotation animation, the view of 90 degrees to the side just kind of scrolls into view. So if you're looking at a fountain in front of you, then the fountain slides off the screen to the right at the same time that the side view of the same fountain slides in from the left.

Chev posted:

To be fair, that's how the first Lands of Lore did it. It just did it a lot faster and that looked fine.

Tendales posted:

I played a little of the Grimoire SUPER SEKRIT DEMO a million years ago when that was released, and it's hilariously bad.

Like, the turning animation was obviously created by someone who has never actually physically rotated in his life. Instead of any kind of actual rotation animation, the view of 90 degrees to the side just kind of scrolls into view. So if you're looking at a fountain in front of you, then the fountain slides off the screen to the right at the same time that the side view of the same fountain slides in from the left.

Reportedly, this has not been changed, and in the post I read where Cleve talks about it he didn't seem to understand what the problem even is.

Oh, remembered another nice touch. There's no keyboard buffer sanitizing. So if your cat steps on the left arrow for a few seconds, then it'll just read the normal old windows input 'a million billion left arrow presses', and you get to watch your party slide-turn in one direction uninterruptibly for 5 minutes. Pretty sure that's still in.

Ornamented Death posted:

Lands of Lore came out in 1993, though. Assuming the demo Tendales played was 15 years ago, that was still a method that was ten years out of date.

Tendales posted:

Naw, it was out of date before Grimoire even started development. It was out of date when Lands of Lore did it. You could use the exact same 2D assets and get a better visual result out of a simple raycaster. It's not complicated; I've done it just for fun and I'm not a genius neanderthal superprogrammer.

And even that's ignoring the fact that if you're not literally living in the 90s you can just throw your assets into Unity or something and be done over a long weekend.

Node posted:

So was someone joking earlier or is this guy really a fascist/nazi/rear end in a top hat and I shouldn't buy his game and support him.

Blackfyre posted:

Ok so interesting... how much of it will be badly dated for a 'new' title though?

Tendales posted:

I played a little of the Grimoire SUPER SEKRIT DEMO a million years ago when that was released, and it's hilariously bad.

Like, the turning animation was obviously created by someone who has never actually physically rotated in his life. Instead of any kind of actual rotation animation, the view of 90 degrees to the side just kind of scrolls into view. So if you're looking at a fountain in front of you, then the fountain slides off the screen to the right at the same time that the side view of the same fountain slides in from the left.

Reportedly, this has not been changed, and in the post I read where Cleve talks about it he didn't seem to understand what the problem even is.

Oh, remembered another nice touch. There's no keyboard buffer sanitizing. So if your cat steps on the left arrow for a few seconds, then it'll just read the normal old windows input 'a million billion left arrow presses', and you get to watch your party slide-turn in one direction uninterruptibly for 5 minutes. Pretty sure that's still in.

Node posted:

So was someone joking earlier or is this guy really a fascist/nazi/rear end in a top hat and I shouldn't buy his game and support him. Because the game looks interesting. I'm not familiar with the dark comedy that was the 20 year development.

Tendales posted:

A part of me really wants to do an LP of the game, just studying the drat thing as an example of outsider art.

But a much bigger part of me wants to spend that $40 on the xcom2 expansion instead.

Clever Spambot posted:

That is a lot of dollars for a game with old school design sensibilities and graphics that is made by a weird racist.

Maybe if it goes on a decent sale later and this thread makes it sounds bad/good enough to be worth playing.

StrixNebulosa posted:

You talk as if it's ever going to come out

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