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I was thinking more like Richard Kelly's IT.
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Aug 2, 2017 00:56
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Lloyd Kaufman's IT Complete with Kabukiman car flip.
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Aug 2, 2017 01:06
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Clive Barker's Stephen King's IT
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Aug 2, 2017 01:11
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Victor Salva's IT
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Aug 2, 2017 01:12
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Tom Guycot posted:Yeah... literally showing a giant turtle on screen talking to bill about how crazy this whole universe poo poo is would be weird on film. I still hope they can do a good representation of him getting knocked out of his body and facing it on some mental level, because it will just feel weird if they run into a cave and start shooting and punching a giant monster. After I finally read the book, the miniseries final confrontation seemed even more weak. I also really hope they have time to do the whole smoke lodge vision thing, as well as the Derry backstory of the loggers, and gangsters and all that. They can do a lot of it by having someone get knocked out, dreaming, having a flashback or getting mindfucked by IT through some evil induced hallucination brain fuckery or something. The slingshot, the aspirator, the holding hands, the cap gun, the pocket knife or whatever and whatnot will work if they sell them as articles of true faith and bravery; believing in themselves enough to kill IT and overcoming fear, which is obviously what King was ultimately and aiming at. Whatever they do with the finale it'll be better than that bullshit we got from the TV series (and perhaps the book, which barely stuck the landing as to the end) so put me down as totally psyched moving forward. I have great faith based on what I've seen and can't wait to see IT.
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Aug 2, 2017 01:14
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CelticPredator posted:Victor Salva's IT This joke made me do an irl grimace-laugh.
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Aug 2, 2017 01:22
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The last trailer was a weird experience for me because I am bummed that It is being depicted as more of a chidlike, trickster, goblin than a condescending adult, but the trailer really does a good job of making adults look like monsters.
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Aug 2, 2017 02:19
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Tyler Perry's It
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Aug 2, 2017 04:05
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Timeless Appeal posted:The last trailer was a weird experience for me because I am bummed that It is being depicted as more of a chidlike, trickster, goblin than a condescending adult, but the trailer really does a good job of making adults look like monsters. I can't remember who it was but somebody earlier in the thread spoke about how Pennywise is presented as a consummate, adult figure of authority in It, and that was dead on. So much of the book is about distrust of adults, and Pennywise was kind of a manifest of that. Skewing him younger is an odd choice. I get that it's "traditionally" creepy, but it loses a bit of what made him imposing in the source material. And that's a key word: imposing, not just threatening.
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Aug 2, 2017 04:32
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Enjoy... 
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Aug 2, 2017 04:56
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Holy poo poo those are awesome.
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Aug 2, 2017 04:57
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the popular kids posted:Holy poo poo those are awesome. Bloody Disgusting did a thing with showing off some of the other book covers. http://bloody-disgusting.com/editorials/3431953/different-book-covers-stephen-kings/ While I usually ignore the comment section, some people posted more there. Edited to add: And Bookriot had an article on them too. http://bookriot.com/2017/03/31/the-creepy-covers-of-it/
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Aug 2, 2017 09:03
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That French set of three covers was my first exposure to It when I was a kid. I was on holiday in France before the TV miniseries came out (and so before there was the go-to Tim Curry image) and those books were everywhere - supermarkets especially. They scared the poo poo out of ten year old me. There are quite a few iconic scenes represented across the three. Also, anyone seen this clip yet? https://youtu.be/3flzfKY_aqI It has a bit more of Pennywise speaking, albeit in quite a different-sounding voice from the "take it" in the trailer. People in the comments are suggesting that it's the voice of the leper speaking to Eddie.
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Aug 2, 2017 10:57
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Oh man, those French covers. I've seen those before, and totally forgotten until now. But how? How could I forget them? Unless...
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Aug 2, 2017 12:18
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AlMac posted:That French set of three covers was my first exposure to It when I was a kid. I was on holiday in France before the TV miniseries came out (and so before there was the go-to Tim Curry image) and those books were everywhere - supermarkets especially. They scared the poo poo out of ten year old me. There are quite a few iconic scenes represented across the three. Huh, interesting to see they changed Ben's encounter with the mummy to happen in the library, that makes a lot of sense to do for a movie.
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Aug 2, 2017 13:03
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I really love the idea of Georgie seeing Pennywise simultaneously above him, taunting him with the boat, while It grabs at his arm. It kind of establishes that It's not just an evil clown which you don't get from his first two appearances. Fart City posted:I can't remember who it was but somebody earlier in the thread spoke about how Pennywise is presented as a consummate, adult figure of authority in It, and that was dead on. So much of the book is about distrust of adults, and Pennywise was kind of a manifest of that. Skewing him younger is an odd choice. I get that it's "traditionally" creepy, but it loses a bit of what made him imposing in the source material. And that's a key word: imposing, not just threatening. 
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Aug 2, 2017 15:54
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I hope they don't cut that scene You know, the one where Richie does the "friend of the family Jim" voice
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Aug 2, 2017 18:50
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I hope they don't wimp out on the portrayal of Bowers. He was a god drat lunatic in the novel.
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Aug 2, 2017 19:22
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Super Fan posted:I hope they don't wimp out on the portrayal of Bowers. He was a god drat lunatic in the novel. That surprised me when I read the book, how Bowers is really a threat to the other kids as in he actually could murder them if he gets his hands on them. I mean, I knew the book was about a killer clown murdering kids, but a psychopathic teenager running around with a switchblade carving kids up is dark even for King.
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Aug 2, 2017 19:26
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Basebf555 posted:That surprised me when I read the book, how Bowers is really a threat to the other kids as in he actually could murder them if he gets his hands on them. I mean, I knew the book was about a killer clown murdering kids, but a psychopathic teenager running around with a switchblade carving kids up is dark even for King. Bowers slowly losing his mind is one of the creepiest parts of the book. The part where he starts carving up Ben is scary for a lot of reasons, not the least of which being that his cronies are obviously freaked out by the escalation, but unwilling to stop it from happening for fear of what would happen to them.
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Aug 2, 2017 19:31
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The genuinely scary thing about Bowers is the idea that even if It hadn't been involved at all he very well might have killed one or more of the Losers. Obviously that relies on the general awfulness of adults in the town and the general air of hosed-upness that Pennywise encouraged but it wasn't It at all and you could easily have gotten a horror story just out of this one hosed up bully getting more and more screwed up as his targets don't let themselves get bullied.
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Aug 2, 2017 20:20
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Fart City posted:Bowers slowly losing his mind is one of the creepiest parts of the book. The part where he starts carving up Ben is scary for a lot of reasons, not the least of which being that his cronies are obviously freaked out by the escalation, but unwilling to stop it from happening for fear of what would happen to them. I love how they start laughing, and Ben realizes they're not doing so out of malice, they're just so relived because they think Henry has to be joking and isn't actually gonna go through with it.
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Aug 2, 2017 20:22
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Crimpolioni posted:I love how they start laughing, and Ben realizes they're not doing so out of malice, they're just so relived because they think Henry has to be joking and isn't actually gonna go through with it. Henry Bowers is legit a fantastic villain and watching him succumb to the power of IT is some of the scariest poo poo in the book. I mean the book is full of scary moments and things that get under your skin but Bowers is such a great threat, because he's that extra bit if malice on top of the adults who aren't paying attention and IT of course. I have a feeling Hockseter won't make an actual appearance beyond being on the missing poster, even though he does have his own twisted part in the horror of that summer, it's probably just easier to avoid bringing that extra level of darkness to the film. Did Hockseter molest another kid in the book, beyond his come on to Bowers? It's been a couple years since I read it last so I'm forgetting huge chunks of the book. I agree with whoever mentioned that they seem to have nailed the look of the town because god drat, that's pretty much how I saw Derry in my head. I'm also really hoping we get part 2 because I want to see that town being ripped apart during the final battle. I love me some Stephen King disaster porn and IT does it so well. Same thing in The Stand when we spend a chapter or two just following random survivors as they die in odd ways, not to mention the chapter full of "Oh yeah, and this place got wrecked to poo poo, and this place, etc"
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Aug 2, 2017 21:52
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While introducing his backstory, the book mentions teachers needing to keep him away from girls in the class due to groping.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:00
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Didn't Hocksetter murder his baby brother by smothering him in his bed? And everyone thought it was a cot death except for his dad, who worked it out but said nothing? I remember a bit about the dad standing at the dead baby's cot and noticing faint wet footprints going to and from the cot. He realises that Patrick killed the baby but is so horrified that he just leaves the room and never mentions it.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:16
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joylessdivision posted:Henry Bowers Agreed, and it strikes at the heart of the precise things that scare an 8-13 year old kid. Anyone who's ever been bullied understands the overwhelming dread and all encompassing fear of a truly relentless threat like Bowers, who is Always There and Looming, no matter where you go. It's where a child first realizes that Mommy, Daddy and even teachers (adults in general) aren't always going to be there to protect them and it's a really scary indoctrination into the loss of innocence that offers the realization that monsters ARE indeed real, they're just human. He's not under your bed or on your closet. He's everywhere you need to go or have to be and can show up at any time. He usually does too. And at the worst moments. Christ, I had a bully stalking me when I was 10-12 or so. We lived in an apartment complex so there was no avoiding him and he single handedly ruined my winter break and made my daily walk to the bus stop a living nightmare because I was afraid to leave my house. He seemed to have NOTHING at all better to do than trying to find me and punch me. Because I threw a snowball at his dad's car once. Looking back, it's obvious that he was abused and beaten, but at that age it seemed like he was capable of anything and lived to hurt things. I still have occasional dreams about that rear end in a top hat. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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Aug 2, 2017 22:19
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AlMac posted:Didn't Hocksetter murder his baby brother by smothering him in his bed? And everyone thought it was a cot death except for his dad, who worked it out but said nothing? I remember a bit about the dad standing at the dead baby's cot and noticing faint wet footprints going to and from the cot. He realises that Patrick killed the baby but is so horrified that he just leaves the room and never mentions it. He did murder his brother but I don't recall his dad suspecting him. It's been awhile since I read it though.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:43
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Super Fan posted:He did murder his brother but I don't recall his dad suspecting him. It's been awhile since I read it though. Nah, there's totally a moment where his dad (I think) notices something and gets a weird feeling and tries to ignore it because otherwise he's going to figure it out.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:45
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BiggerBoat posted:
I'm sorry to hear that. But as you said, it speaks to how brilliant a creation Bowers is. None of us have had experiences with a shape-shifting monster with a penchant for clowns (no offense if you have). But we have had to deal with that kid at school who just seemed to be, for lack of a better term, a complete psycho. There were always a lot of mean kids I remember, but in among them I always remember there being a couple who were even worse than usual. Who just seemed consciously cruel and unemphatic in a way that was sadistic, who I imagine would kill one of their victims if they felt they could get away with it. Bowers is like that and he's scary because a lot of the people who read the book probably met him at some point. Bowers in the mini-series is decent but the kid playing him is probably a touch too charismatic to fully communicate the character, I don;t know anything about who is playing him in this one and he only appears a couple of times in the trailer, but I hope they keep the idea that Pennywise didn't push him into wanting to kill the losers, but gave him a tiny nudge and there the feeling was.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:47
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Super Fan posted:He did murder his brother but I don't recall his dad suspecting him. It's been awhile since I read it though. God drat I really need to re-read this loving book again. I've read it like....7 or 8 times since picking up the first time at like...12 but it's been a solid few years since I read it. Should probably finish reading The Gunslignger first. clockworx posted:While introducing his backstory, the book mentions teachers needing to keep him away from girls in the class due to groping. THAT'S IT. I knew there was some extra layer of skeevy weirdness to good old Patrick, aside from you know, killing his brother and offering to blow Henry....and he was the one who used the fridge out in the Barrens right? Or was that one of Henry's other cronies? I did pick up the audio version from Audible yesterday because I want to hear Weber's take on Pennywise, but I have a hard time with audio books and actually finding the time to sit and listen to them.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:50
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Karloff posted:
That's sort of what I mean and why Bowers was almost as scary as Pennywise to a certain extent, because it was relatable and King wrote Henry's sadism, cruelty and omnipresence so well. It wasn't enough for these kids to deal with a terrifying inter-dimensional spider clown monster from the sewers of hell inflating balloons with blood and poo poo. They had to battle IT with a real human monster lurking everywhere making matters even worse, constantly loving their poo poo up. I think that's what makes IT so terrifying; it hits on that weird transitional stage where you learn that you're not protected and that there really ARE monsters under your bed, but they're also ones at school, in the park and everywhere you go. No escape and no one can protect you.
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Aug 2, 2017 23:11
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Bowers is also scary because he violates the "rules" of childhood. I had to deal with my fair share of bullying when I was a child, but there was always a line: they'd beat you up, but leave you breathing, and they still feared adults. There was an unspoken rule that if they did too much damage it would call down the thunder and they would be held accountable in some way. Bowers violates that social contract, and that makes him terrifying. Not only does he act with lethal force, he does so with no concern for repercussion.
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Aug 2, 2017 23:24
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Fart City posted:Bowers is also scary because he violates the "rules" of childhood. I had to deal with my fair share of bullying when I was a child, but there was always a line: they'd beat you up, but leave you breathing, and they still feared adults. There was an unspoken rule that if they did too much damage it would call down the thunder and they would be held accountable in some way. Bowers violates that social contract, and that makes him terrifying. Not only does he act with lethal force, he does so with no concern for repercussion. Well put and I agree. Never thought about the "unwritten rules" part but, yeah. Bowers lacked "respect" for the traditional boundaries of common bullying which took his threat level to another plane.
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Aug 2, 2017 23:31
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Bowers kinda got a bum rap though. His dad was an abusive alcoholic and he's being manipulated by a metaphysical monster...thing.
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Aug 2, 2017 23:33
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Super Fan posted:Bowers kinda got a bum rap though. His dad was an abusive alcoholic and he's being manipulated by a metaphysical monster...thing. Well sure, but he's still a real shithead. I think you get a bit more sympathy for that character towards the end of the book when he's been sitting in the loony-bin for 30 years and makes his escape, but at that point he's more minor annoyance than looming threat like he was throughout the summer of 58 stuff. God drat I really need to re-read this loving book again.
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Aug 2, 2017 23:58
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ImpAtom posted:Nah, there's totally a moment where his dad (I think) notices something and gets a weird feeling and tries to ignore it because otherwise he's going to figure it out. If I'm remembering rightly the father notices the footprints and begins to connect the dots before stopping himself since he can't wrap his mind around the horror of his older child was capable of killing the baby and go on as if nothing happened. I also want to say there was something about Patrick Hocksetter doing more with that old fridge beyond the animal torture. I can't remember if it was the mention of a kid getting locked in one or there was a suspected instance of Patrick behind a death or was thinking of upping his range from animals to humans.
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Aug 3, 2017 00:00
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Hockstetter's death is the scariest of all the child deaths, to me. I have a big phobia about large parasites, like leeches and such. Those flying leech things hit every single nopenopenope response in my brain. It's also written through the lens of Hockstetter's mental illness, which gives the entire scene this otherworldly air. And near the end, I seem to recall him realizing that this is actually happening. His horror at that realization is just as freaky as the form IT took. I love that chapter as much as I hate it. Or is it just me? What say those of you without my phobia?
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Aug 3, 2017 00:44
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Henry Bowers was WAY scarier than It to me. Same with Patrick and Bevs husband. I can scoff at a clown appearing in a sewer drain and eating a kid, it's a lot harder to pretend Patrick wasn't torturing a dog who STILL wagged it's tail while it was being frozen to death and tortured and almost got away  That scene hosed me up. Also Henry going insane from the moon freaks me out. Such a good book.
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:Enjoy... Foreign covers of Stephen King books are awesome. 
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