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pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

sass (using scss syntax ofc) is less poo poo than css. is that worth an extra build step? depends

also gl hf writing bootstrap in plain css

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

you don't like less/sass you just hate dealing with regular css more.

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

motedek posted:

rstudio stamping on a human face forever then. i don't understand why it crashes when the R process segfaults.

well there's always statet *opens r-studio, grimly* visual studio it is, in this case. i hope microsoft just doesnt get bored of first party r support within a couple months

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pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

Shaggar posted:

you don't like less/sass you just hate dealing with regular css more.

hardly a contentious position

# ? Aug 3, 2017 00:37

aardvaard: Mar 4, 2013; you belong in the bog of eternal stench

Shaggar posted:

you don't like less/sass you just hate dealing with regular css more.

yeah that is the reason they exist

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Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

heck yes, I got the low resolution graphics mode working in my emulator

I need to figure out how to make the beeper work, I don�t know anything about cocoa audio streams

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pram: Jun 10, 2001

Shaggar posted:

you don't like less/sass you just hate dealing with regular css more.

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redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

NihilCredo posted:

in unrelated foonkjonal news: some dude made a generative type provider for SQL that parses sql statements directly using migration queries as a compile-time reference and i'm super excited and dare i say horny about it

it's a pretty big deal over existing type providers for two reasons:

1) it doesn't require a connection to a reference DB to work, only the schema declarations. the downside is that you can't point it to the production database and be 100% confident the code matches. the upside is that it also handles migrations on its own, oh right forgot to mention that

2) it's a generative TP, while other SQL type providers are erasing. what this means is that the types it generates are reified as actual .NET classes in an actual library. you can de/serialize them with json.net, you can reference the library from your blubby C# project and get all the types it generated. hell if you want to go the whole nine yards, you should be able to reference the library from a Fable (f# -> js) project and have your database objects be statically-typed accessible from your frontend code without writing a single line of mapping. not saying that would be a smart design in most cases but having the option when appropriate owns

also, it should be way faster than sqlprovider since it doesn't have a linq translation layer underneath, but unlike sqlclient it still supports postgres + sqlite in addition to mssql

warning

can't wait for type providers to find their way into c#

# ? Aug 3, 2017 01:38

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

Shaggar posted:

you don't like less/sass you just hate dealing with regular css more.

regular css is horrible though

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Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

Shaggar posted:

you don't like less/sass you just hate dealing with regular css more.

shaggar was right

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Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

fart simpson posted:

regular css is horrible though

that doesn't make less and sass good

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akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

css used to suck, but now we have flexbox and layout isn't hard anymore.

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simble: May 11, 2004

Luigi Thirty posted:

heck yes, I got the low resolution graphics mode working in my emulator

I need to figure out how to make the beeper work, I don�t know anything about cocoa audio streams

just play the mac duck sound instead

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redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

as someone who is involved with web stuff, i feel that css is something i should know. but holy poo poo it's obtuse and baffling, especially when touching existing stylesheets

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DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

if you need to write CSS you've already hosed up

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Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

document.querySelectorAll is my favorite thing that's kind of related to css

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NihilCredo: Jun 6, 2011; iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

if you need to write CSS you've already hosed up

give me frontpage express 2.0 or give me death

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akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

akadajet posted:

lmao

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hackbunny: Jul 22, 2007; I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

akadajet posted:

css used to suck, but now we have flexbox and layout isn't hard anymore.

does css have named constants now

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HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

i have an actually vaguely interesting problem, but i forgot how to be good at my job

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

HoboMan posted:

i have an actually vaguely interesting problem, but i forgot how to be good at my job

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necrotic: Aug 2, 2005; I owe my brother big time for this!

hackbunny posted:

does css have named constants now

like constants you can define? heck no. there are "css variables" but there's no spec and its hardly supported well.

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Arcteryx Anarchist: Sep 15, 2007; Fun Shoe

fart simpson posted:

regular css is horrible though

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CRIP EATIN BREAD: Jun 24, 2002; Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T; Soiled Meat

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

if you need to write CSS you've already hosed up

yeah, lol if you don't have a designer to do that sort of poo poo.

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Zaxxon: Feb 14, 2004; Wir Tanzen Mekanik

if there is anything we can agree on it's that CSS is trash.

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MononcQc: May 29, 2007

CSS is trash but far less terrible than table-based websites were to maintain.

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hackbunny: Jul 22, 2007; I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

necrotic posted:

like constants you can define? heck no. there are "css variables" but there's no spec and its hardly supported well.

lol what is this garbage, it's barely better than nothing

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HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

i need to test what happens when a thing is slow, what's a good way to waste cycles in c#?

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Thread.Sleep

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carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

actually i think you'll find it is c# and all modern languages which are the waste of cycles, if programmers could properly optimize we would all still be using pentium 3s, and furtherm-

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MrMoo: Sep 14, 2000

necrotic posted:

like constants you can define? heck no. there are "css variables" but there's no spec and its hardly supported well.

It's funny because Chome had great support but then it was removed due to performance on cascading, so what is left it a small niche optimum set. Generally it isn't too bad but not being able to use a name via JavaScript is rear end. The progress appears to be on "mixins" to make more useful managing of sets of CSS parameters via a label.

This is dumb, you cannot have the entire background value as a single variable:

CSS code:

background: repeating-linear-gradient(
         -55deg,
         var(--halt-chevron-primary-colour),
         var(--halt-chevron-primary-colour) 10px,
         var(--halt-chveron-secondary-colour) 10px,
         var(--halt-chveron-secondary-colour) 20px
 );

MrMoo fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Aug 3, 2017

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HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

holy poo poo microsoft's docs on threading are bad

like strait-up wrong in places

there's this post from an ms dev saying they are "looking into" removing misleading and/or incorrect sections in the docs

don't worry

they are looking into it

thanks post from a year ago

really need to examine the ramifications of removing incorrect info from a text file

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NihilCredo: Jun 6, 2011; iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

HoboMan posted:

i need to test what happens when a thing is slow, what's a good way to waste cycles in c#?

System.Text.BBCode.ProceduralExtensions.YourPostsGenerator

# ? Aug 3, 2017 21:23

hackbunny: Jul 22, 2007; I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

HoboMan posted:

holy poo poo microsoft's docs on threading are bad

like strait-up wrong in places

there's this post from an ms dev saying they are "looking into" removing misleading and/or incorrect sections in the docs

don't worry

they are looking into it

thanks post from a year ago

really need to examine the ramifications of removing incorrect info from a text file

low level threading or high level threading? I might be able to help with low level

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HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

i'm using c# sooo...

i just want to do logging in a separate thread

i tried just farting out

C# code:

Task.Factory.StartNew(() => { DoLogging(someGarbageToLog) });

but i think the overhead of spawning a thread is comparable to the overhead of just doing the logging synchronously because it's not any faster

e: none of ms' documentation errors are loving me, it's just i'm reading about them searching around for tips on this

HoboMan fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Aug 3, 2017

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Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

today in Apple we figure out how to implement 6-and-2 GCR and convert a dos 3.3 sector order image into a disk format suitable for a Disk II emulator thingy

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

HoboMan posted:

i'm using c# sooo...

i just want to do logging in a separate thread

i tried just farting out
C# code:
Task.Factory.StartNew(() => { DoLogging(someGarbageToLog) });
but i think the overhead of spawning a thread is comparable to the overhead of just doing the logging synchronously because it's not any faster

e: none of ms' documentation errors are loving me, it's just i'm reading about them searching around for tips on this

so theres a few things to think about here, but lets start w/ task.factory.startnew

Theres a good article about it here but the tl;dr: if you do not specify options, it will use the defaults which may mean you are not executed on a thread pool thread. I would suggest either using Task.Run as the article suggests or specifying options for startnew manually. you may also want to specify that it is a long running task if you have serious blocking issues.

however, unless you have already determined you have serious logging performance issues, this is probably a pointless exercise in premature optimization and you don't need to do it. Furthermore, your logging framework probably has tools to make this easier for you to improve logging performance including optional logging statements and asynchronous targets.

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CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

I have discovered a truly marvelous solution to CSS, which this margin-right is too narrow to contain.

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D.J. Booger: Jul 19, 2001

CPColin posted:

I have discovered a truly marvelous solution to CSS, which this margin-right is too narrow to contain.

Time to wait 357 years.

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