politically-loaded maps: sputtering flemishly

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SaltyJesus: Jun 2, 2011; Arf!

Agnosticnixie posted:

I'm pretty sure I also saw at some point a seriously ambitious pro-serb one that claimed there were substantial serbian minorities even all the way into the vilayet of Shkodra (even the serbian government, which really, really wanted Shkodra as a port, was willing to admit that there were barely any serbs in the region at all and that they just wanted the port).

Ethnography of the late ottoman balkans in general is a weird science because you can't actually claim a majority in most places past the Kaza-level but they really tried super hard, with some countries in particular pushing very strongly for their pet satellite.

The gov't really really wanted Durr�s as the port. Skadar is on the eponymous lake and I'm not 100% sure about the navigability of Bojana.

e: I'm pretty sure Skadar was a separate thing because it's right on the border. I know the Montenegrins really wanted it and during the First Balkan War they were the ones to siege it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Scutari_(1912%E2%80%9313) because it was a historically important capital of the roughly medieval precursor state to Montenegro. (We have a whole famous epic poem about the building of Skadar.) Unlike Durr�s it's not on the sea, it's literally on the modern border, and did use to have a slavic population.

SaltyJesus fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jul 31, 2017

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Carbon dioxide: Oct 9, 2012

System Metternich posted:

gently caress you Outback Steakhouse, you can't tell me what to do t

First thing I noticed was the dude with the sunglasses in the top right.

# ? Jul 31, 2017 18:46

Lord Hydronium: Sep 25, 2007; Non, je ne regrette rien

mobby_6kl posted:

The upside down.

I imagine the Polish Upside Down looks like a Zdzisław Beksiński painting:

(I couldn't remember his name, but as it turns out he's the first Google result for "weird Polish artist".)

# ? Jul 31, 2017 18:49

double nine: Aug 8, 2013

sebzilla posted:

What's on the other hemisphere?

EcksEcksEcksEcks

# ? Jul 31, 2017 19:01

Kulkasha: Jan 15, 2010; But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Likchenpa.

Dunno if this is the wrong place to ask, but does anyone know how to access Fenneman's 1946 Regions of the US Map?

# ? Jul 31, 2017 19:21

catfry: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth

Lord Hydronium posted:

I imagine the Polish Upside Down looks like a Zdzisław Beksiński painting:

(I couldn't remember his name, but as it turns out he's the first Google result for "weird Polish artist".)

but that's what Poland looks like :confused:

# ? Jul 31, 2017 19:51

Agnosticnixie: Jan 6, 2015

SaltyJesus posted:

The gov't really really wanted Durr�s; as the port. Skadar is on the eponymous lake and I'm not 100% sure about the navigability of Bojana.

e: I'm pretty sure Skadar was a separate thing because it's right on the border. I know the Montenegrins really wanted it and during the First Balkan War they were the ones to siege it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Scutari_(1912%E2%80%9313) because it was a historically important capital of the roughly medieval precursor state to Montenegro. (We have a whole famous epic poem about the building of Skadar.) Unlike Durr�s; it's not on the sea, it's literally on the modern border, and did use to have a slavic population.

Thanks for the correction (I did say the Vilayet though, which Durres was part of)

# ? Jul 31, 2017 20:23

fishmech: Jul 16, 2006; by VideoGames; Salad Prong

catfry posted:

but that's what Poland looks like

No, no, the lighting's too pleasant for normal Poland.

# ? Aug 1, 2017 02:41

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Where's that cartoon map of Europe but Russia is a Beksiński painting?

# ? Aug 1, 2017 11:08

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Yorkshire local authorities by stance on an all-Yorkshire devolution deal.

# ? Aug 1, 2017 17:31

fishmech: Jul 16, 2006; by VideoGames; Salad Prong

Pink means all residents have already devolved.

# ? Aug 1, 2017 19:32

fuck off Batman: Oct 14, 2013; Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!

Guavanaut posted:

Where's that cartoon map of Europe but Russia is a Beksiński painting?

# ? Aug 1, 2017 19:44

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

Yeah that's the good poo poo, and accurate.
Man I miss Beksiński I don't think I've felt the loss of an artist as strongly as him, an absolute waste over such a pathetic amount of money. loving poland.

The late 1990s were a very tragic time for Beksiński. His wife, Zofia, died in 1998; a year later, on Christmas Eve 1999, his son Tomasz (a popular radio presenter, music journalist and movie translator) died by suicide. Beksiński discovered his son's body. Unable to come to terms with his son's death, he kept an envelope "For Tomek in case I kick the bucket" pinned to his wall.
On 21 February 2005, Beksiński was found dead in his flat in Warsaw with 17 stab wounds on his body; two of the wounds were determined to have been fatal. Robert Kupiec, the teenage son of his longtime caretaker, and a friend were arrested shortly after the crime. On 9 November 2006 Robert Kupiec was sentenced to 25 years in prison, and his accomplice, Łukasz Kupiec, to 5 years by the court of Warsaw. Before his death, Beksiński had refused to loan Robert Kupiec a few hundred złoty (approximately $US100).

# ? Aug 1, 2017 20:26

Take the plunge! Okay!: Feb 24, 2007

gently caress off Batman posted:

Let's just paint the Bosnian dude with a turkish sabre in TYOOL 2006

# ? Aug 1, 2017 20:47

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

I managed to find a slightly more legible version, unfortunately it had been edited to remove the accurate view of Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine.

# ? Aug 1, 2017 21:22

Dreddout: Oct 1, 2015; You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

Let's just paint the Bosnian dude with a turkish sabre in TYOOL 2006

The Balkans are Ottoman clay.

# ? Aug 1, 2017 22:05

Dreddout: Oct 1, 2015; You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

I'm Erdogan IRL btw

# ? Aug 1, 2017 22:06

Badger of Basra: Jul 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/892485878731476993

This is why Trump won.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 01:14

root beer: Nov 13, 2005

Badger of Basra posted:

https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/892485878731476993

This is why Trump won.

Democracy dies in darkness.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 01:23

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

Badger of Basra posted:

https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/892485878731476993

This is why Trump won.

Wow, the laws of physics make exceptions for large Republican counties.

I�m Malheur County, OR.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 01:50

feller: Jul 5, 2006

Badger of Basra posted:

https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/892485878731476993

This is why Trump won.

I bet the population is pretty even

# ? Aug 2, 2017 02:54

Moist von Lipwig: Oct 28, 2006; by FactsAreUseless; Tortured By Flan

God is trying to blind Republicans

# ? Aug 2, 2017 08:18

King Hong Kong: Nov 6, 2009; For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

I like how they could have used an easily located existing set of maps with the path as a layer over the counties in each state but instead did something else and made an incredibly inaccurate map. Missouri looks like the most blatant example, but basically every state has at least one mistake.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 08:20

Sulphagnist: Oct 10, 2006; WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Someone do some math and see if it's even possible to draw a line across the United States east to west without hitting mostly Trump counties given that geographically speaking the vast majority of CONUS territory is Trump counties with barely any people living in them.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 08:26

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

SulphagneSocialist posted:

Someone do some math and see if it's even possible to draw a line across the United States east to west without hitting mostly Trump counties given that geographically speaking the vast majority of CONUS territory is Trump counties with barely any people living in them.

Texas fucks it up.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 09:39

Angry Salami: Jul 27, 2013; Don't trust the skull.

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

Let's just paint the Bosnian dude with a turkish sabre in TYOOL 2006

It does also have Sweden as a Viking with a horned helmet, while Malta is represented by a Knight Hospitaller, so...

# ? Aug 2, 2017 10:52

Teriyaki Hairpiece: Dec 29, 2006; I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Sweden tried to give the Hospitallers Gotland as a new home after Napoleon kicked them out of Malta, that would have been fun.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 23:08

Pakled: Aug 6, 2011; WE ARE SMART

Platystemon posted:

Texas fucks it up.

That's the 2012 map, I dunno why it's labeled as 2016. Here's the 2016 map.

# ? Aug 2, 2017 23:19

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

Pakled posted:

That's the 2012 map, I dunno why it's labeled as 2016. Here's the 2016 map.

For elections with such different results it's surprising how long it took me to find even one difference on that map. Like I know it was on a statewide level so it'll be the margins that really matter, but still. Gerrymandering in action? Or just an urban-rural divide that won't quit?

# ? Aug 3, 2017 00:43

Badger of Basra: Jul 26, 2007

Angepain posted:

For elections with such different results it's surprising how long it took me to find even one difference on that map. Like I know it was on a statewide level so it'll be the margins that really matter, but still. Gerrymandering in action? Or just an urban-rural divide that won't quit?

Those are counties rather than congressional seats so it's not gerrymandering, just the urban/rural divide (though there are still a few solid blue rural areas in the Black Belt and I guess northern Minnesota?)

# ? Aug 3, 2017 00:46

Pakled: Aug 6, 2011; WE ARE SMART

Yeah, perhaps a more interesting map is the swing from 2012 to 2016

In general, red areas got redder and blue areas got bluer. Utah and other heavily-Mormon areas swinging heavily on this map is mainly due to Romney being a Mormon and Trump having... questionable moral character. Border counties went way bluer for obvious reasons. In a couple places, you can see historically-Republican affluent suburban areas went more for Clinton, like Orange County, CA and Cobb County, GA.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 01:30

ulmont: Sep 15, 2010; IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Pakled posted:

Yeah, perhaps a more interesting map is the swing from 2012 to 2016

In general, red areas got redder and blue areas got bluer.

If you look at education levels by counties it tracks the change pretty well, IIRC (disclaimer: I only looked at Georgia in exhaustive detail).

# ? Aug 3, 2017 02:19

Powered Descent: Jul 13, 2008; We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Spot the spot that's going to kill us all someday.

Source.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 03:38

ulmont: Sep 15, 2010; IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Powered Descent posted:

Spot the spot that's going to kill us all someday.

Per the Turtledove series we will get through this.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 04:26

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

Powered Descent posted:

Spot the spot that's going to kill us all someday.

Source.

I�m the North Algodones Dunes.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 04:30

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Pakled posted:

Yeah, perhaps a more interesting map is the swing from 2012 to 2016

In general, red areas got redder and blue areas got bluer. Utah and other heavily-Mormon areas swinging heavily on this map is mainly due to Romney being a Mormon and Trump having... questionable moral character. Border counties went way bluer for obvious reasons. In a couple places, you can see historically-Republican affluent suburban areas went more for Clinton, like Orange County, CA and Cobb County, GA.

What is happening in the South?

# ? Aug 3, 2017 09:18