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there's a lot of talk about how cinema discusso has threads with hundreds of replies about stuff like pacific rim, warcraft, Beavis Dodge, etc, but comparatively nothing about films that do not fit roughly under the category of nerd pop-culture flotsam. the assumption is that this is because they are dork morons who only watch these kinds of movies, and there's some truth to that, but it's more that they have only one technique with which to Critically Analyze film, and it is: What If The Good Guys Are Actually Bad. (there's also What If The Bad Guys Are Actually Good but it's really the same thing.) tony stark is bad, the ghostbusters are bad, the new republic is bad, batman is bad. any given thread has this as its main argument, along with smaller arguments that exist solely to bolster the main argument (battle droids are people and therefore the jedi destroying them makes the jedi Bad). it's possible to write an interesting story telling events from the antagonist's perspective, but that's just it, a different story. it's not the same thing as the story we're being told. it's easy to say iron man is Bad because he's a Weapons Contractor. those are Bad in real life. in real life, however Weapons Contractors don't personally put on battle suits and save the earth from being enslaved by aliens. that part is generally ignored because it collapses the point. worse, when there is a coherent case to be made that the movie has a reactionary political message - the latter two Dark Knight films - these elements aren't criticized as being inaccurate propaganda, but rather evidence of how the protagonist is Really Bad. because they ignore the stuff that doesn't fit, their argument boils down to batman is Bad because he used illegal surveillance, without considering that this story is entirely fictional and lots of people are going to look at it and say yes, batman used illegal surveillance, but nobody got hurt and it saved thousands of lives from an insane murderer. rather than criticizing the film for portraying the choice in this way, they prefer to praise it for its subversive message of portraying the hero as Bad even though nobody else sees it that way and it requires ignoring the practical consequences of his actions in the fictional story. because the actions of the heroes and villains don't particularly matter except when they can be crammed into this framework, they can find themselves saying the Heroes are Bad in any circumstance including the villains killing billions of people on a whim and the heroes trying to stop them, but they really enjoy films where the Villains are Sympathetic and the Heroes are Flawed for this reason, as it makes their job a lot easier, which is why they're still so keen to jump on defending any given zach snyder fever dream where batman rapes guys in prison. but really they find it hard to apply this framework - again, their only framework- to movies where there aren't Heroes or Villains or to where the protagonist is supposed to be flawed and suffers consequences for their flaws. they have no real way to talk about these films so they are not discussed. i am gay. Razputeen fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Aug 3, 2017 |
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Wicker Man posted:There really is nothing new under the sun. still no extended cinematic universe for Commando 
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Aug 3, 2017 03:05
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Atomic Blonde was okay. It wasn't bad by any means, but I enjoyed Baby Driver more. Still need to see Dunkirk. Dark Tower tonight, though. Hope it's good.
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I'm trying to find some good-bad movies on Netflix, and I can't. It feels like they're dumping movies even faster than usual. They don't even have Wet Hot American Summer, while they're producing a Wet Hot American Summer series. Netflix is bumming me out. Any great bad movies y'all can recommend that are there that I can try to catch before they drop it?
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Aug 3, 2017 03:22
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Stars Wars Rogue one is a bad movie.  Police Academy If you have Amazon Prime, that has a much better collection of 'good bad' movies.
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Aug 3, 2017 03:28
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Captain Lavender posted:Wet Hot American Summer I saw that movie and couldnt tell if it was a comedy or a drama. I kept waiting for the laughs but they never came. It was weird.
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Captain Lavender posted:Netflix is bumming me out. That's the Netflix cycle. First it's great, then it's boring, then you wonder when new content will ever come out, then you cancel and watch movies elsewhere.
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Jose Oquendo posted:Stars Wars Rogue one is a bad movie. Strongly considering a move. Thanks.
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Blind Sally posted:eh, there are enough reviewers who weren't terribly impressed with Dunkirk that this isn't that contrarian? a lot of criticism i've heard deals with Nolan's timeline editing and schlocky feel-good moments. Really? everything I've read was very positive. I don't mind the timeline but my biggest problems were the characters felt really sketchily drawn, especially compared to stuff like Flags of our Fathers or Saving Private Ryan while overall it sort of just went through the usual motions of a World War 2 movie, you know the kind of thing, lots of selfless, heroic stuff where one plane comes in and saves tons of people or a 60 year old man and a 16 year old kid pack 20 men on their little hobby boat, a few scenes where the soldiers start to fight and turn on each other when things are extremely tense, a couple of brave and capable commanders to exposite to the audience, a bit of reflection on the tragedy of war, but ending with some inspirational speech about fighting for freedom in the face of overwhelming darkness, that sort of thing. I know a lot people are arguing that Nolan wanted to concentrate on the moment to moment survival and terror of the situation that people experienced, but I think he tripped himself up by relying so much on actual hardware and eschewing CGI, usually I'd love that kind of thing but when you read about actual accounts from Dunkirk there were far more men stuck on the beaches, planes fighting in the sky for both sides and large naval vessels coming and going to Dunkirk to retrieve the army. I know its tough but I feel that the film didn't really capture that sense of scale that you get reading the history, which is a strange complaint since usually modern Hollywood gets that sort of thing down even if they fail everywhere else. The PG-13 rating might have hamstrung what they could show, certainly something as raw and horrifying as the Normandy landing in Ryan was not on the cards. Still; there was a lot of good stuff, the scenes of boats being downed and people desperately trying to claw their way out, sometimes in pitch darkness, were really gripping. I also though Cillian Murphy did a good job in the film.
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Aug 3, 2017 03:45
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JB50 posted:I saw that movie and couldnt tell if it was a comedy or a drama. I kept waiting for the laughs but they never came. It was weird. Are you sure you're thinking of the right movie? It's okay if you didn't think it's funny, but if you thought it was a drama you may have a brain tumor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND7yJ7sMosk
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General Dog posted:Are you sure you're thinking of the right movie? It's okay if you didn't think it's funny Disagree.
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Aug 3, 2017 04:16
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so uh, dark tower is getting terrible initial reviews and response. kinda surprised and not surprised
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Aug 3, 2017 04:22
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I've never read the books but from what has been described to me it sounds like a very complex fantasy epic of interwoven stories and it seems to have a lot to offer. But the movie looks like a dumb, mindless schlockfest of people shooting other people with guns until eventually a Dark Tower(tm) shoots a laser beam into the sky.
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FrensaGeran posted:I've never read the books but from what has been described to me it sounds like a very complex fantasy epic of interwoven stories and it seems to have a lot to offer. same
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Aug 3, 2017 04:32
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Dark Tower is what happens when an author says "I need to write my own opus, an american LoTR if you will.", and then has no idea where the story is going or what is happening or where it takes place and which characters he already thought of or how to make it interesting. King basically just vomited on a typewriter, and then about three books in decided he should diarrhea on it too.
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Aug 3, 2017 04:43
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Captain Lavender posted:Strongly considering a move. Thanks. Amazon Prime has Shudder as part of its channel options and Shudder has a ton of mostly-horror but also other great B movies like the BotW-reviewed Raw Force, and fantasy boobies schlock like Conquest. Some of the Shudder movies are also just included with regular Prime if you don't sub to Shudder. loving Mystics in Bali is on Prime. Drop Netflix, it sucks outside of Stranger Things.
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King Vidiot posted:Amazon Prime has Shudder as part of its channel options and Shudder has a ton of mostly-horror but also other great B movies like the BotW-reviewed Raw Force, and fantasy boobies schlock like Conquest. Some of the Shudder movies are also just included with regular Prime if you don't sub to Shudder. drat sounds nice. I like Bojack, and I want Arrested Development 5, but all their other originals either suck, or now-suck, and it's like they're banking entirely on them now. BTW, Rich revealed some movie magic about the last BotW, in that he only ate about 4 Tums. But they fooled us with air-tight camera and editing tricks.
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General Dog posted:Are you sure you're thinking of the right movie? It's okay if you didn't think it's funny, but if you thought it was a drama you may have a brain tumor. I love Paul Rudd. Him and Michael Pena were the best things in Ant Man by far. He's in an upcoming Duncan Jones movie where he plays a mute guy, mmmkay. e: oops it is a Skarsgaard who plays the mute priznat fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Aug 3, 2017 |
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Razputeen posted:there's a lot of talk about how cinema discusso has threads with hundreds of replies about stuff like pacific rim, warcraft, Beavis Dodge, etc, but comparatively nothing about films that do not fit roughly under the category of nerd pop-culture flotsam. the assumption is that this is because they are dork morons who only watch these kinds of movies, and there's some truth to that, but it's more that they have only one technique with which to Critically Analyze film, and it is: What If The Good Guys Are Actually Bad. (there's also What If The Bad Guys Are Actually Good but it's really the same thing.) no it really is that they're all massive nerds, shut the gently caress up you loving idiot
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Razputeen posted:there's a lot of talk about how cinema discusso has threads with hundreds of replies about stuff like pacific rim, warcraft, Beavis Dodge, etc, but comparatively nothing about films that do not fit roughly under the category of nerd pop-culture flotsam. the assumption is that this is because they are dork morons who only watch these kinds of movies, and there's some truth to that, but it's more that they have only one technique with which to Critically Analyze film, and it is: What If The Good Guys Are Actually Bad. (there's also What If The Bad Guys Are Actually Good but it's really the same thing.) go gently caress yourself
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I watched Dunkirk today and it was amazing. I was honestly so anxious the entire time that the ending came as an actual relief. The Imax theater I watched it in was blasting the sound, so the planes flying overhead was almost deafening.
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There's more to film that the analytical framework you try to crowbar it open with. Dummy. Also word is The Dark Tower might be the worst movie of the year so far. Me and a friend are using it as an excuse to meet up for the first time in years, so cool.
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Dark Tower is what happens when an author says "I need to write my own opus, an american LoTR if you will.", and then has no idea where the story is going or what is happening or where it takes place and which characters he already thought of or how to make it interesting. That's pretty much Steven King's writing habit. He's said before that he doesn't come up with an outline, doesn't keep any notes, doesn't write out character or plot ideas, or even decide how his books are going to end. He has a basic premise and just sits down and starts typing at page 1 and inserts random things whenever they come to him while he's typing and then quits once he's exhausted every scenario he can think of. That's why his stories are often so scatterbrained, meandering, endlessly reuse the same tropes, and are a thousand pages long for no reason.
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Andro Dunos posted:That's pretty much Steven King's writing habit. He's said before that he doesn't come up with an outline, doesn't keep any notes, doesn't write out character or plot ideas, or even decide how his books are going to end. He has a basic premise and just sits down and starts typing at page 1 and inserts random things whenever they come to him while he's typing and then quits once he's exhausted every scenario he can think of. That's why his stories are often so scatterbrained, meandering, endlessly reuse the same tropes, and are a thousand pages long for no reason. Which, imo, makes them perfect to mine for movies. Take the good ideas, organize the story, keep the weird stuff.
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:That's the Netflix cycle. First it's great, then it's boring, then you wonder when new content will ever come out, then you cancel and watch movies elsewhere. TBH only reason I have Netflix at this point is I got 2 years free last year when I bought a pair of Galaxy S7s during b1g1 release TMobile had.
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Amazon Prime has Rifftrax. Also if you're tired of Netflix's old originals, GLOW is good.
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I did not mind Dark Tower. It was not great, kinda mediocre, but I liked Idris Elba and Matthew McConaughey. McC as the Man in Black was quite enjoyably cheesy. But yeah, there are pacing issues and weird edits. I have not read the books, for what it's worth.
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They're making a "Slasher Shared Universe" but not using any of the big boys like Jason and Myers. It's going to be a load of indie killers... Like Cropsy? ENDLESS TRAAAASH
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Drunken Baker posted:They're making a "Slasher Shared Universe" but not using any of the big boys like Jason and Myers. It's going to be a load of indie killers... Like Cropsy? Looks like it's just some indie horror directors intertwining their movies. Not gonna be like Leatherface and the Cenobites. http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/244374/exclusive-slasher-cinematic-universe-announced/
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I don't know if mentioning this counts as  but you can find a ton of older b-movies on youtube, often in surprisingly good quality. Either the companies that own the rights to them have folded long ago or simply don't care, since the uploads seem to stay up for years.
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Aug 3, 2017 09:45
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I just spent 8 hours masturbating to carefully selected video compilations of Jay You wouldn't believe the kind of material you can find of Jay on the darknet. He's an active guy
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If you ask me the Little Twink Jay, Buff Guys from LA-series jumped the shark with the third one and they really shouldn't have pushed it to a ridiculous 10 sequels.
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Aug 3, 2017 10:03
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Zzulu posted:I just spent 8 hours masturbating to carefully selected video compilations of Jay ENDLESS rear end
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Zmej posted:so uh, dark tower is getting terrible initial reviews and response. kinda surprised and not surprised Interesting. Might go see it tomorrow.
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Aug 3, 2017 10:16
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Try to enjoy McConnaughey and Elba, at the very least.
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Sad to hear about the Dark Tower. Probably going to see it anyways because the two leads are so amazing.
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Shinjobi posted:Try to enjoy McConnaughey and Elba, at the very least. Turns out it's not out here until next week so Valerian it is  
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they really shoulda just done a gunslinger movie. it's the best of the books by a fair margin.
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Groovelord Neato posted:they really shoulda just done a gunslinger movie. it's the best of the books by a fair margin. Drawing of the Three is miles better
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Drawing of the Three is miles better The Drawing of the Three is a slog that introduces the two worst characters in the series.
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