Pac-Manioc Root posted:I don't know that we can extrapolate one dude's martial prowess in single combat* to a whole House's military acumen. I mean I'm sure even the Tajik army could shake out a single, solitary awesome soldier. Loras led the van at Blackwater Bay and won the only legitimate tourney shown on the show - so yeah he was an able fighter. More importantly though, if Olenna knew she did not have good fighters, shouldn't they have made a plan to get the gold to safety or have given her some officers from Dorne to command her troops?
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GaussianCopula posted:Loras led the van at Blackwater Bay and won the only legitimate tourney shown on the show - so yeah he was an able fighter. Well, technically there were two tourneys shown on the show, both featured Loras, one was won by Sandor Clegane after Loras forfeited and the other was won by Brienne after she annihilated Loras.
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Aug 3, 2017 15:03
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I'll certainly grant that even "first runner up knight" is pretty impressive and indicative of a good fighter, but every single footman in the Tyrell army is necessarily Loras, nor does it mean they have super competent and inspiring leadership. Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdH-x0RAR6I
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Feels Villeneuve posted:If an army is depicted marching without having much problems with a supply chain/logistics/feeding the horses/whatever the gently caress, it doesn't mean "supplies don't matter for them", it means that in the story, they didn't have any problems with the supply. You may as well be mad in a movie if one character, for plot reasons, has their car break down, but another character is seen driving successfully without going to a garage for an oil change/tire rotation/etc. "Why doesn't car maintenance matter for that character????" If the Lannister army shows up in front of Winterfell next episode I can surmise a few months have passed and they didn't experience any problems getting there but that doesn't make it a good way to tell a story. Giving viewers some idea of timeframes and insight into what's going on is not that hard. Cut a minute off the hammy torture porn and have Jaime and Cersei talk about tracking the unsullied fleet and moving the Lannister army. "Our scouts report they will land at Casterly Rock in 5 days. Our forces are almost in position and I'm now leaving to join them." It would make it a lot less jarring when Jaime goes from sister loving in KL to storming Highgarden next time we see him. We're not asking for a series of episodes devoted to logistics and supply meticulously planned out on a map drawn to scale.
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Bates posted:If the Lannister army shows up in front of Winterfell next episode I can surmise a few months have passed and they didn't experience any problems getting there but that doesn't make it a good way to tell a story. Giving viewers some idea of timeframes and insight into what's going on is not that hard. Cut a minute off the hammy torture porn and have Jaime and Cersei talk about tracking the unsullied fleet and moving the Lannister army. "Our scouts report they will land at Casterly Rock in 5 days. Our forces are almost in position and I'm now leaving to join them." It would make it a lot less jarring when Jaime goes from sister loving in KL to storming Highgarden next time we see him. We're not asking for a series of episodes devoted to logistics and supply meticulously planned out on a map drawn to scale. They had Cersei pretty much say "We can pay you back in about two weeks", and showed Lannister soldiers loading up wagons full of gold in Highgarden. I mean, yeah, it could be more clear, but it also isn't "teleporting armies" if you're paying attention. If you want to argue that two weeks is unrealistically fast (I don't really care about logistics in that kind of detail) that's fine
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Aug 3, 2017 15:23
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IIRC the Tyrells best soldier is Garlan, who does Not Appear In The Show (though he barely appears in the books tbf)
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Fair point about supplies not being a problem every time But it is more the general, Cersei et al have had 0 problems logistical or otherwise. Based on the distances and the existence of Ravens, you would have thought Dany would have at least been able to react to the Lanisters plan of abandoning CR. If anyone on the show should be accused of magic teleport powers to get where they are needed to turn a battle around it should be the person with flying Dragons. How many Lannister troops would she have had to roast in order to turn the siege of Highgarden around? Also on the talk of Tarly abandoning Highgarden, wouldn't it make sense for Oleana to have brought with her/included in planning her battle general Tarly. As has been pointed out House Tyrell is basically eradicated at this point, you would think she would have found a successor for her post. Possibly Tarly and if not someone capable of commanding troops and defending a castle.
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It's drat weird there isn't some second cousin from a cadet branch she's grooming to take over since she's like a hundred and all the main heirs exploded, but I am willing to accept that's for narrative reasons of not wanting to introduce another character however minor in the home stretch. But yeah the whole sacking of Highgarden was handled too patly.
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Has there been any news from the guys who claim they hacked hbo Wondering if the eps will get released early
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Taear posted:I know it's been said before but I really blame the show for him not finishing the books. Not because it's taking up his time but because he's now terrified of it not being good enough. Lol, when the show was announced, everyone was exciting thinking this might be what it finally took to get him motivated.
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hanales posted:Has there been any news from the guys who claim they hacked hbo If they had them, they'd probably already be out. All they got was next ep's script outline. They leaked a couple eps of shows no one watches they nabbed in the hack tho.
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I remember reading a lot of "there's no way he's gonna let the show spoil the books"
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I'm wondering if the leaked synopsis of all the main players getting together and forming a loose alliance to fight the Others happens in the books, because that's actually a really interesting and unexpected way to take the main narrative.
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Elias_Maluco posted:I remember reading a lot of "there's no way he's gonna let the show spoil the books" I mean the books are plenty divergent enough that I'm interested in where they go, but LOL if you think they're going to be finished anything but posthumously.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I'm wondering if the leaked synopsis of all the main players getting together and forming a loose alliance to fight the Others happens in the books, because that's actually a really interesting and unexpected way to take the main narrative. nah stannis will beat the Boltons, Jon is dead and isn't coming back , and the walkers can't get past the wall so long as Dany doesn't suicide a dragon for them
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mastershakeman posted:nah stannis will beat the Boltons, Jon is dead and isn't coming back , and the walkers can't get past the wall so long as Dany doesn't suicide a dragon for them They have the horn of winter to blow up the wall, or Eurons flaming dragon horn is actually used to destroy the wall and the horn of winter controls dragons
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Fried Watermelon posted:They have the horn of winter to blow up the wall, or Eurons flaming dragon horn is actually used to destroy the wall and the horn of winter controls dragons Sam has the wall horn
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So Melisandre, hanging with the Dany crew for months, never thought to mention the zombies up in the North, you know, that area she's spent the last couple years in? Just slipped her mind while they were planning out their strategy I guess. This show is garbage.
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mastershakeman posted:Sam has the wall horn I brought the horn up the other day and the non-book readers here had no clue what I was talking about, so it IS in the show too?
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IRQ posted:I brought the horn up the other day and the non-book readers here had no clue what I was talking about, so it IS in the show too? Sam has a horn but the show hasn't mentioned the horn of winter even once so dont expect it to matter HerraS fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Aug 3, 2017 |
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IRQ posted:I brought the horn up the other day and the non-book readers here had no clue what I was talking about, so it IS in the show too? Well, there was the old warhorn they found together with a dragonglass shard during season 2, episode 8 but I don't remember if they ever talked about it.
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IRQ posted:I brought the horn up the other day and the non-book readers here had no clue what I was talking about, so it IS in the show too? i dont know who cares here ill break it down season 7 of show: jon goes to capture a wight, benjen saves him and him and dany's dragon dies, everyone agrees to work together except euron and cersei secretly, ice dragon tears down wall season 8 of show: jon and dany hold out, both die heroically, cersei gets eiffel towered by jamie and euron book: stannis is the best and saves the realm then dany wipes out cersei, greyjoys control dany/dragons until stannis kills them, then stannis & dany gently caress and rule together it'll be great. jon stays dead.
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mastershakeman posted:i dont know who cares What about dorne
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Roman Reigns posted:What about dorne four women died and therefore i guess they idk surrendered to the lannisters? and are out of the story
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HerraS posted:Sam has a horn but the show hasn't mentioned the horn of winter even once so dont expect it to matter Sensenmann posted:Well, there was the old warhorn they found together with a dragonglass shard during season 2, episode 8 but I don't remember if they ever talked about it. Oh ok cool, I can never remember what is or isn't in both.
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Roman Reigns posted:What about dorne what about it the winter coming makes them grow food in the desert I guess
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:I'll certainly grant that even "first runner up knight" is pretty impressive and indicative of a good fighter, but every single footman in the Tyrell army is necessarily Loras, nor does it mean they have super competent and inspiring leadership. Please do not be talking trash about my main man Mace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLDuW8CFRD8
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Feels Villeneuve posted:If an army is depicted marching without having much problems with a supply chain/logistics/feeding the horses/whatever the gently caress, it doesn't mean "supplies don't matter for them", it means that in the story, they didn't have any problems with the supply. You may as well be mad in a movie if one character, for plot reasons, has their car break down, but another character is seen driving successfully without going to a garage for an oil change/tire rotation/etc. "Why doesn't car maintenance matter for that character????" this is a bizarre as hell defense cuz you can use it to defend pretty much any bad plotting. "they didn't show this thing [that logically should be issue after years of war] because it didn't happen! not a problem!"
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New theory: GRRM is actually finished with Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring and plans on publishing posthumously. GRRM will inexplicably live for another 20 years.
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ruddiger posted:Please do not be talking trash about my main man Mace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkp3sS4rmIo
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:I'll certainly grant that even "first runner up knight" is pretty impressive and indicative of a good fighter, but every single footman in the Tyrell army is necessarily Loras, nor does it mean they have super competent and inspiring leadership. I also wouldn't assume their whole army is a made up entirely of goons wearing pots on their heads like Mace though. The Tyrells and Redwynes(which Olenna was originally) are both incredibly wealthy families who have been noble houses of the Reach for a long time so I think it's a safe assumption that they have the means to hire a capable Master-at-Arms who likely trained Loras, and the other guards who garrison Highgarden. Highgarden is the high seat of the Reach, and just like Casterly Rock or Winterfell, or any other castle of it's stature should lend it's defenders a significant enough advantage that Jamie shouldn't just be able to walk in and take it in an afternoon. Also, the lazy excuse that they've never been good at fighting is also weak unless we're also meant to assume that the historical members of these houses didn't exist like Ryam Redwyne and Leo "Longthorn" Tyrell.
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the ironborn took winterfell in an afternoon
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What happened to sweetrobin? Is he still in the Vale? Is the show ever going to bother to mention him again? Is the Vale army just going to couch surf at winterfell forever? Why are they turtling up in castles when an undead army can just sit in your fields and prevent you from growing food forever? Is Gillys baby the price that was promised? Will the nights king be smart enough to arm his zombie giant? If you can zombify a polar bear why arent there zombie mammoths? Why do i care about any of this?
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TK-42-1 posted:the ironborn took winterfell in an afternoon They had 20 good men.
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regulargonzalez posted:So Melisandre, hanging with the Dany crew for months, never thought to mention the zombies up in the North, you know, that area she's spent the last couple years in? Just slipped her mind while they were planning out their strategy I guess. Some of the characters behave enigmatically for no reason other than the plot won't work when they make a rational move.
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TK-42-1 posted:the ironborn took winterfell in an afternoon They also had Theon who knew the castle because he lived there for most of his life, knew that most of their men were away at war, and took it by night rather than walking up to the front door in broad daylight. ElmerTheWasabi fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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ElmerTheWasabi posted:They also had Theon who knew the castle because he lived there for most of his life, and took it by night rather than walking up to the front door in broad daylight. Also Robb is a dumbshit and left the smallest token force possible to defend Winterfell, so all it took was a little light raiding of the countryside to draw the entire garrison out of the castle.
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The Ironborn with the super deep voice that was in Winterfell with Theon is one of my most missed characters. rip you deep voiced freak
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drunken officeparty posted:The Ironborn with the super deep voice that was in Winterfell with Theon is one of my most missed characters. He was the dad in the vvitch
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That's Finchy.
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