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d&d trump thread it was "gently caress you, didnt get mine" bc i wanted universal healthcare so no one declares medical bankruptcy
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Dem senators now pushing Abuela's Medicare-at-55 also
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also bc i called democrats impotent and that republicans are literally evil, which meant they were both The Same
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Frijolero posted:Dem senators now pushing Abuela's Medicare-at-55 also its a perfectly fine half-measure imo. it makes the insurance markets cheaper and makes it easier to get medicare for all doing that + public option would be enough incrementalism to make the final push to medicare for all not very difficult.
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you're a fool if you rereg your account instead of making new ones
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Raskolnikov38 posted:they elected a felon in the 2012 democratic presidential primary over obama so they're cool? i rank a felon less evil than a war profiteering criminal  MizPiz posted:Really not liking this whole "you can't run for president if you have been/currently are in jail" sentiment. get elected then pardon myself from prison. that'd be a cool story
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anime was right posted:its a perfectly fine half-measure imo. it makes the insurance markets cheaper and makes it easier to get medicare for all doing that + public option would be enough incrementalism to make the final push to medicare for all not very difficult. Or in typical case they are giving benefits only to lovely boomers. The same people who destroyed the deficit and gave them big tax cuts.
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anime was right posted:also bc i called democrats impotent and that republicans are literally evil, which meant they were both The Same given today's revelation as to the bullshit going on with florida democrats, you pretty much nailed it.
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Frijolero posted:Dem senators now pushing Abuela's Medicare-at-55 also wired: medicare at birth
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:given today's revelation as to the bullshit going on with florida democrats, you pretty much nailed it. I must have missed this? What happened?
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Agean90 posted:I must have missed this? What happened? Bag of dicks, follow the money track Chew on that if you profit off of somebody’s back
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etalian posted:Or in typical case they are giving benefits only to lovely boomers. well we're talking 2020 at the earliest, in which case 55-year-olds are the start of Generation X
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docbeard posted:Bag of dicks, follow the money track loving floridans
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etalian posted:Or in typical case they are giving benefits only to lovely boomers. im ok with Actual Imrovements, medicare at 55 is not some obamacare thing where theres godawful side consequences. its just Less Good than medicare for all, but given the current situation it is absolutely better and probably has zero ill side effects.
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obv im all about medicare for all but if i had a choice between nothing and medicare at 55, i will take a system that makes healtcare cheaper for the majorit of americans and gives millions of them better healthcare my issue with pragmatism is like somehow its always tax credits for billionaires. medicare at 55 is straight up just a decent policy that is Actually Pragmatic.
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Medicare to 55 also lowers premiums for young people by removing the sickest group from the insurance pools. It's extremely good.
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hot take: many people that die before 55 might live to reach that age if they had medicare from birth
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anime was right posted:obv im all about medicare for all but if i had a choice between nothing and medicare at 55, i will take a system that makes healtcare cheaper for the majorit of americans and gives millions of them better healthcare Medicare at 55 takes people off the rolls of the health insurance industry right about the time they start to get expensive and puts them on the public dime instead. Yeah it is better than nothing and if the option was "Medicare at 55" or "Medicare at 65" then sure, go Medicare at 55. But if you're making the move anyway then you might as well move everybody over. Plus if your entry position is "Medicare for all" you can fall back to "Medicare at 55". If your entry position is Medicare at 55 you have nowhere to move back to other than the current system.
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got any sevens posted:hot take: many people that die before 55 might live to reach that age if they had medicare from birth
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you ask a loaf, you might end up with half a loaf. you ask for half a loaf, you get crumbs. edit: got any sevens posted:hot take: many people that die before 55 might live to reach that age if they had medicare from birth this, too.
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lol, the cost for a lovely bronze plan at my age is about $8,000/year in premiums with a $7,000/year deductible. (and that's only allowing one hospital + group of doctors for that princely sum.) for $135/month I could get some sweet hmo under medicare that covers 100 percent of everything medical + prescription drugs. (eta: I would also be able to use about 80 percent of doctors + 100 percent of hospitals under medicare.) but of course dems will prolly sponsor some lovely "buy-in" for medicare for those under 65 with annual costs of slightly under $19,000/year, which is what the government currently spends on 65+ olds. (back when the ACA was being crafted I remember looking up the cost of medicare to the government and iirc it was about $9k/year. So much for "bending the cost curve" instead of doubling the government's cost over the last 8 years.)
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oh wait, that $19k/year for medicare was actually the figure from 2012, lol.
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Medicare at 55 is really good, yes. But people are dying by the thousands right now. I'm not dissing M@55, but it's just another laughable example of the Dem leadership pushing for half-measures and expecting a wave of support for them.
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really wish i could afford to go to the doctor
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comedyblissoption posted:History has already proven that words might not actually mean anything and have a giant asterisk attached to it
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I want it all I want it all I want it all And I want it now (Unironically)
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zeal posted:really wish i could afford to go to the doctor same. my insurer sent me an email saying they'd send me a free butt-wipe thingie to send in to check for colon cancer but that was followed disclaimers how if the butt wipe looked suspicious then any follow-up care would be subject to full deductibles and co-pays. the same goes for those "free" checkups by the ACA; if they actually find anything then the visit is coded as "diagnostic" instead of "preventive" and you have to pay up.
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there's a skin growth on my shoulder i'd really like to get biopsied, but the last time I went in for something like that the insurance claim was denied and I had to pay $300+ out of pocket. can choose between that and paying rent atm. would really like to know if I have skin cancer or not, but lol, no e: now I don't even have insurance to get denied, lol
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zeal posted:really wish i could afford to go to the doctor I had to go to get a prescription refill. I spent $75 which isn't too bad. He told me to get my blood work all done once I get health insurance and I was like "Will do!" knowing I'll never get it.
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zeal posted:there's a skin growth on my shoulder i'd really like to get biopsied, but the last time I went in for something like that the insurance claim was denied and I had to pay $300+ out of pocket. can choose between that and paying rent atm. would really like to know if I have skin cancer or not, but lol, no try to find a community health clinic near you; they're income-based pricing. also an unironic THANKS BERNIE for getting chc funding in the aca (although obama cut $600 million from them the following year as a bipartisan budget solution with boehner).
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:given today's revelation as to the bullshit going on with florida democrats, you pretty much nailed it. What's going on w FL dems The racist lady?
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Phi230 posted:What's going on w FL dems florida dems fundraising for a republican who voted for obamacare repeal instead of the dem running against him
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Main Paineframe posted:literally just stealing and (poorly) repackaging planks of Trump's campaign platform This is fitting cause in 1992 the dems decided they just wanted to repackage republican policies in a friendlier wrapping with a cool saxaphone playing president and it worked. In 2008 they ran a cool black guy who was against gay marriage and ran a virtually identical foreign policy to Bush. Seems like in my lifetime, dems only know how to win when voters got sick of republicans and decide to give the diet republicans a chance. And then of course they get swept out of office again shortly after.
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Condiv posted:florida dems fundraising for a republican who voted for obamacare repeal instead of the dem running against him Hollllyyyyy shiiiiiiiiiiittttttttt
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Phi230 posted:Hollllyyyyy shiiiiiiiiiiittttttttt Florida dems are very wretched bad dems, especially when you have bad dems like DWS from the state.
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I've posted before about how I think the left needs to focus right now more on organizing and less on finding the perfect candidate. Here's a twitter thread on point https://twitter.com/ErinGoudreau/status/893227607348609026 I'll copy/paste the whole thing here with editing for no character limits quote:I've been thinking a lot lately about how we build socialism in a place like White Sulphur Springs, MT, population: 939. We're talking majority of people with either no or incomplete college education, median income below $30,000, rural, secluded, ranching & blue collar labor as primary sources of income. No hospitals, two rural health clinics. We're talking about people who care deeply about community, who've chosen to raise their families in this beautiful, but oft forgotten place.
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"In Germany in the 1930s, the Social Democratic Party (a left-wing liberal party) promoted Hindenburg over Hitler in the elections because he was seen as a “lesser evil”, despite the warnings by the German Communist Party that “a vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler”. Hindenburg ended up placing Hitler in a position of power, but the Social Democrats supported him as a “lesser evil” to illegal Nazi terror. Thus, the Social Democrats systematically disarmed and disempowered the working class and collaborated with fascism against them. Fascism is an outgrowth of capitalist crisis. At the end of the day, the ruling class wants to remain in power. So when fascism is on the horizon, and it comes time for the ruling class, for the Democratic Party to choose: the capitalists, or the workers? the oligarchs, or the people? white supremacy, or liberation? the Democratic Party and all such institutions will always side with the ruling class against the workers and oppressed." https://lonelyhourreflections.wordpress.com/2017/02/27/no-good-democrats-in-an-imperialist-system/ that was an excerpt, but the whole article stings all to gently caress. makes me wonder if I'm just spinning my wheels. 
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