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Konstantin posted:It seems like the winner will be whoever releases the first AAA quality game that uses VR as an essential component. Tech demos and small scale projects can only get you so far, now that the tech is there someone needs to make something that mass market consumers will pay hundreds of dollars to play. Have any of the large game studios made a public commitment to develop something major for a specific technology?
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TACD posted:I know Valve doesn't make games anymore but I was still a bit surprised / disappointed that they didn't announce Half-Life 3 as a Vive-exclusive launch title. Seems like that'd be the obvious 'killer app' and guarantee of maximum possible hype. turns out being the retailer of literally all of pc gaming pays better than developing a AAA hit release
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A friend of mine owns a HTC Vive and I have tried and it is very cool. He plays mostly Elite on it and it works very well for that game. Setting the drat thing up is still finicky. He also had two car racing games for it (Dirt rally and Project Cars), this was the first time playing any game I actually felt when the car jumped over a bump. I actually felt that in the pit of my stomach. Still to get it to work my friend had to spend 800 euros on the actual Vive and another 500-600 euros on a better graphics card to actually run the games. All the games at the moment require quite finicky settings trickery to get stuff to run optimally, because if it runs even a bit poo poo you'll feel it within a few minutes of starting to play the game. Personally I think 1-2 generations forward (2-4 years) and this stuff will be gold. The room scale stuff was cool, but not really workable in a normal home environment, but stuff like Elite and car games were really awesome.
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Aug 3, 2017 08:25
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At this rate Half Life 3 will take longer to develop than Duke Nukem Forever.
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Aug 3, 2017 10:34
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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half life 1 and 2 were both revolutionary, releasing half life 3 in like 5-6 years as a VR only title when VR picks up would be an extremely valve thing to do
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Aug 3, 2017 12:19
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I think the only really "natural" market segment for VR headsets is flight sim spergs. They're used to needing very high end systems and paying way too much money for highly specialized peripherals, and VR does improve the experience very significantly.
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Aug 3, 2017 12:58
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:half life 1 and 2 were both revolutionary, releasing half life 3 in like 5-6 years as a VR only title when VR picks up would be an extremely valve thing to do
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:half life 1 and 2 were both revolutionary, releasing half life 3 in like 5-6 years as a VR only title when VR picks up would be an extremely valve thing to do Possibly. However a ton of their actual talent has left meaning they're practically Valve in name only at this point. Theyre basically the Walmart of games now. Companies pay for space on Walmart shelves. Game studios pay Valve to house their games. Great business but practically wipes out anything artistic or long term growth. They're hosed if there's ever an open source market place like steam.
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Aug 3, 2017 17:25
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is the valve box or valve's shift to creating a console for PC games doing ok? that could be a lucrative market if they create it and manage to bridge the divide between PC/mobile/console gaming
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Aug 3, 2017 17:28
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boner confessor posted:is the valve box or valve's shift to creating a console for PC games doing ok? that could be a lucrative market if they create it and manage to bridge the divide between PC/mobile/console gaming Nope, Steambox and SteamOS has been seriously backburnered now that it looks like MS isn't going to push the Microsoft store as the only source of apps on Windows 10. It was an escape hatch if MS decided to lock down Windows hard, saying that "PC gaming can survive without Windows". Now that applications on Windows are continuing with business as normal, Valve isn't spending much effort on SteamOS.
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Aug 3, 2017 17:31
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I'm still sad they didn't call it the Steam Engine.
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Aug 3, 2017 17:37
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Twerk from Home posted:Nope, Steambox and SteamOS has been seriously backburnered now that it looks like MS isn't going to push the Microsoft store as the only source of apps on Windows 10. It was an escape hatch if MS decided to lock down Windows hard, saying that "PC gaming can survive without Windows". kk thanks. i still use windows 7 and will continue to do so until i can't anymore lol
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Aug 3, 2017 17:39
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boner confessor posted:kk thanks. i still use windows 7 and will continue to do so until i can't anymore lol Windows 8.1 and 10 are both fine. As a side effect of Valve's investment, Linux Gaming is actually not a joke anymore as long as you play mainstream titles, and ideally have an nVidia GPU.
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Aug 3, 2017 17:41
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Steamlink was 85% off this past sale. That's a serious discount to apply to physical hardware.
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Aug 3, 2017 18:09
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Buckwheat Sings posted:. Normal people who just want to play games aren't going to be attracted by Yet Another Game Marketplace only its open source. There's probably like 500 of those already.
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Aug 3, 2017 18:13
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MikeCrotch posted:We are living in a Democratic/Free Market/Wealth setup, too bad the game will end before we get to future societies Cicero posted:It would be more revolutionary for Valve to learn how to count to 3 
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fishmech posted:There's probably like 500 of those already. yeah every big studio has their steam clone. blizzard's is just an extension of battle.net and is useful for publishing their games. EA has origin which is balls stupid and can't remember my loving password and is shoddy and terrible, but they give you free games you'll never play just for having it which is nice. also they still sell their games on steam
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Aug 3, 2017 19:43
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Don't forget GoG who has their own fat Windows client now to their games store.
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Aug 3, 2017 19:45
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Buckwheat Sings posted:Companies pay for space on Walmart shelves. Game studios pay Valve to house their games. Great business but practically wipes out anything artistic or long term growth. They're hosed if there's ever an open source market place like steam. Also there are competitors to Steam: Origin, UPlay (wait does that still exist?), GOG, Humble Bundle and that one by the Stardock company.
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Cicero posted:You'd have to be delusional to think this will happen. Open-source software is fine for libraries and frameworks and occasionally even client apps, but the number of successful/significant consumer-facing OSS services is very low. most successful is npm it's for devs, it's venture-backed, it's oss and it s u c k s b a l l s
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boner confessor posted:is the valve box or valve's shift to creating a console for PC games doing ok? that could be a lucrative market if they create it and manage to bridge the divide between PC/mobile/console gaming The only way they'd really be able to succeed at this would be to introduce API layers and start demanding games adopt them instead of platform APIs as a condition of being sold through Steam. Then they could start selling boxes that are both mostly theirs, and that could run most of their catalogue without developers having to provide separate builds. They might have the momentum necessary to try this now, and if they were providing developers with (say) "Steam Vulkan," "Steam Audio," "Steam Input," and "SteamNet" APIs—in cooperation with the major peripheral and middleware vendors—I could even see it working. But as long as they're basically a fancy downloader and chat service I don't see that kind of thing getting much traction.
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Twerk from Home posted:Don't forget GoG who has their own fat Windows client now to their games store. They also have standalone drm-free installers, since that's kinda their thing.
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curufinor posted:most successful is npm
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Aug 3, 2017 21:37
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Jaden Smith has brought his amazing insight to the startup world and is making a big impact already: http://gizmodo.com/jaden-smiths-recyclable-water-startup-is-suing-sketchy-1797490093
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Noggin Monkey posted:Jaden Smith has brought his amazing insight to the startup world and is making a big impact already: http://gizmodo.com/jaden-smiths-recyclable-water-startup-is-suing-sketchy-1797490093 I'm bullish on 2nd generation multi-platform entertainment entrepreneurs who cater to the superficially ecological bottled water niche.
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And since the thread talks about the Hyperloop project, here's an interesting article outlining just how complex it is to tunnel under LA: http://www.enr.com/articles/42388-a-tight-tunneling-feat-to-transform-la-transit Looks ripe for disruption!
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Cicero posted:You'd have to be delusional to think this will happen. Open-source software is fine for libraries and frameworks and occasionally even client apps, but the number of successful/significant consumer-facing OSS services is very low. Actually, that Stardock one is now dead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_(software) RIP. Unless you're talking about they kicked out another one? Edit: Fixed url Half-wit fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Aug 3, 2017 |
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Good news! They're having one in China!
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hobbesmaster posted:Good news! They're having one in China!
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Noggin Monkey posted:And since the thread talks about the Hyperloop project, here's an interesting article outlining just how complex it is to tunnel under LA: Wouldn't the hyperloop have to basically defy the laws of physics to work as described? It sounds like it would more likely kill people.
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actionjackson posted:Wouldn't the hyperloop have to basically defy the laws of physics to work as described? It sounds like it would more likely kill people. considering only the rich could afford it, good!
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actionjackson posted:Wouldn't the hyperloop have to basically defy the laws of physics to work as described? It sounds like it would more likely kill people. No, nothing about it defies the laws of physics. The laws of physics just mean running, maintaining, and building it would be massively expensive to get a system that doesn't in the end go all that faster than existing high speed trains already in use in some countries, doesn't go fast enough to be that competitive with air flights, and doesn't have anywhere near the passenger capacity of either alternative.
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Jesus loving Christ. https://twitter.com/businessinsider/status/891690855521583105 The single-serve portions and excessive waste of a Keurig combined with the overpriced hardware and auto-delivered ingredients of a Juicero to make lovely over cooked food a microwave could do better. Proof that "automatic delivery plan" and "IoT cooking appliance" together in a pitch to investors still works like a charm when it should make them run away screaming.
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fishmech posted:No, nothing about it defies the laws of physics. The laws of physics just mean running, maintaining, and building it would be massively expensive to get a system that doesn't in the end go all that faster than existing high speed trains already in use in some countries, doesn't go fast enough to be that competitive with air flights, and doesn't have anywhere near the passenger capacity of either alternative. This is the video I'm referring to, not sure if it's been discredited or not though. I suppose "defy the laws of physics" was incorrect, but this person seems to be saying that if there were even the most minute imperfections in the system that it would be deadly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk
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actionjackson posted:This is the video I'm referring to, not sure if it's been discredited or not though. I suppose "defy the laws of physics" was incorrect, but this person seems to be saying that if there were even the most minute imperfections in the system that it would be deadly. imagine a high speed train, but you have to put it in a long, expensive tube which contains a vacuum instead of just putting the train in a normal atmosphere oh also they figured out using air and atmospheric pressure to move items through tubes isn't worth it for large objects like, a hundred years ago 
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actionjackson posted:This is the video I'm referring to, not sure if it's been discredited or not though. I suppose "defy the laws of physics" was incorrect, but this person seems to be saying that if there were even the most minute imperfections in the system that it would be deadly. It's absolutely true that the system will have inordinately large problems with things that are minor problems on other high speed rail. So yeah, it'll probably cause a lot of deaths when things go wrong. But not too much, since only a small amount can be in the systems at once.
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Cicero posted:You'd have to be delusional to think this will happen. Open-source software is fine for libraries and frameworks and occasionally even client apps, but the number of successful/significant consumer-facing OSS services is very low. its about GOG and that's about it. Origin basically is just EA stuff, UPlay is basically a glorified cross-platform download manager/social club at this point, and Humble Bundle while letting you buy keys from the Devs without paying Valve, like 99% of the cases are for games on Steam and reinforce Valve's hegemony. (and 99% is probably low)
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Question: Should you knowingly rent out defective cars that are at risk of bursting into flame? If your answer is anything other than an emphatic "yes" you failed to pass the test to manage a $70 billion company. Uber knowingly rented cars that were at risk of catching fire to its drivers in Singapore, a report says quote:The news comes from a Wall Street Journal report that says internal emails show Uber managers in Singapore were aware of the April 2016 recall but continued to rent the cars to drivers without fixing the defect. It's unclear whether Uber executives in San Francisco or then-CEO Travis Kalanick knew of the recall. I bet through all these Uber scandals where damning emails continue cropping up, the only lesson Uber will learn is to stop sending emails and resort to communicating through Snapchat exclusively.
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Doggles posted:Question: Should you knowingly rent out defective cars that are at risk of bursting into flame?
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TACD posted:I guess I'm behind the times, but since when did Uber start renting cars to its drivers? I thought drivers bringing their own cars was their whole deal and fairly central to their already-tenuous "we're not a taxi company" gambit? outside of the us and other nations where car ownership among those willing to drive jitneys is at a high level, you have to provide the means for a budding entrepeneur to obtain a vehicle to drive in. this being uber, such a scheme usually devolves into horrible predatory lending
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