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While my wife and I still import at a vastly slower pace, we no longer own nor operate Limerence Motor Company. We sold our dealership but this thread remains giving a sort of diary about our experiences. Limerence Motor Company This post is a compilation of lots of things that we've figured out and learned. Japan and Exporting Vehicles: Shaken https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor-vehicle_inspection_(Japan) There is a lot of weird misinformation and legends surrounding Japanese used cars. Here is the facts: In Japan when you buy a car you have 3 years from your first inspection before you have to have another inspection done. Your first inspection is done when your vehicle is first registered meaning you have to have an initial inspection done on a brand-new vehicle. After this, every two years regardless of age you must have another inspection done. Because of this (and other cultural quirks) people in Japan tend to give up on their cars earlier than most people in the world which probably gave rise to the incorrect rumors about older cars in Japan. They have strict inspections and they don't give any leniency to older cars so that naturally culls older vehicles from the roads. People in Japan do still appreciate classics though, and while you can snag some good deals just be aware that Japan knows exactly what they have. If you think you’re going to snag a perfect condition R32 Skyline or 60 series Land Cruiser for little money you are going to be disappointed. The massive amount of used cars vs. the population to buy them means Japan has a huge and sophisticated export mechanism with lots of businesses that operate within it. Most buyers are from those nations with more relaxed import restrictions like the UK, Australia, various European nations and places like Africa, Russia and India. Those of us in the United States, however, have some of the strictest rules on importing a vehicle not originally meant for the United States under the guise of "safety". Note that with typical vehicle importation it's done with the Roll-on/roll-off system which means that the vehicle you buy will typically be running and can't have any major leaks. It also means that your vehicle will arrive fully drivable with the battery connected and fuel in its tank. The 25 Year Rule: gently caress you I won't buy what you tell me https://one.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/FAQ%20Site/pages/page2.html#Anchor-28852 The United States is strict compared to most places in the world when it comes to importing vehicles that weren't originally meant for sale here. The '25 Year Rule' is ironclad. The proposed vehicle you want to import *has* to be 25 years or older from the date of manufacture going by month. The first of every month 'unlocks' every vehicle that was made 25 years ago in that month, and not any sooner. They can't even enter the country until then. "But I know a guy with an R34 Skyline that is state legal" yeah and federally it is, and always will be, rolling contraband. There is no way around this rule (outside of the very very few legal Motorex Skylines, loopholes involving museums and specific dealership-owner rules). If you are a person that wants an imported car from any country you are going to wait 25 years to the month, or you are going to risk having your Land Rover crushed by the feds and there is nothing you can do about it because it is rolling contraband. Even if your vehicle turns 25 years old while in the US it is still illegal in the eyes of the law. There are various places in the US that will get vehicles newer than 25 years and play the 'state legal' game where they act like state legality somehow overrides federal law. This is not true in the automotive sense and at any time you can be caught and your car taken from you with zero recourse. Some people run that risk get away with it for a while, others get their cars crushed https://youtu.be/4l7JCb3RDqQ Dumb as gently caress but it's still the rule. The guy who owned the Skyline in this video getting crushed knew his car was illegal thus I blame him. *Special mention for California: astropika posted:The issue with California is that direct import vehicles have to pass FTP (federal test procedure) driving cycles, just like a manufacturer does type certifying a vehicle. The testing is several thousand dollars by itself, without considering modifications to bring the vehicle into conformance. Reselling Imported Vehicles From Japan In the US: Why? If you are anything like me you will browse craigslist and motors.ebay like you might have browsed the toy section of those giant Sears catalogs when you were a kid. I'll spend lots of time simply sifting through various search terms, years and models just looking to see what is out there. When I saw that tiny van for sale I was so interested that I started to determine exactly what it was. I found out that it was probably an Indian-market rebadge of a seventh-gen Hijet which led me in the direction of kei vehicles. So interested I ended up buying my first real import, a 1990 Honda Acty Street G from Japanese Classics in Virginia. They are a dealer in Richmond Virginia that focuses solely on importing legal Japanese cars into the US and selling them as titled and legal vehicles. Now that I have been importing for a few years I can state with confidence that Japanese Classics are not any better than any typically scummy used car salespeople or shady importer you might know. They work exactly the same, hide information, state misinformation and will exploit the poo poo out of people. They take some nice pictures though and thus get away with it. They aren’t enthusiasts as much as you’d think, and will routinely state falsehoods and speak with authority on things they don’t know. Shame really, because they are probably the most popular importer operating in the United States. I just keep catching them loving up and it gets me mad, you know? Since I fantasy-browse anyway, have extra capital that I can play with and like a wide range of vehicles I decided to see about reselling vehicles I import myself. The reasons are, as the title suggests, for fun and profit. Japanese Auction Houses: 5 Skylines and a few Land Cruisers Please The import business is growing pretty fast in the US and lots of copy-cat mom-and-pop style operations are up and running already, to that end there are lots of ways to get access to the Japanese auctions and Japanese used car dealers. You can window shop at places like http://www.goo-net-exchange.com and https://www.tradecarview.com. Every vehicle I've imported has been bought through Yoshi at Japan Car Direct (yoshi@japancardirect.com). I can't recommend anyone else at JCD, but I can and do suggest Yoshi since he's rad as hell. Japan Car Direct is an export brokerage in Japan, and Yoshi is an agent there. He was born in California, lives in Japan and is an actual car guy himself. I like him a lot and very much like the way he does business. You browse, find a car you like. You send them a $500 dollar deposit via Paypal and then they will send out third-party inspectors to personally go over the vehicle you are interested in. After the inspector delivers their information, Yoshi will give his opinion on if you should go for it or pass, and suggest a bid amount. You decide your bid and then wait for the auction results. If you win they JCD possession of the vehicle and start going through the export process. I am not sponsored by Japan Car Direct, I just had a nice experience with Yoshi and now have a rapport going. There are countless other export houses in Japan and ways to access the auction system, this is just the way I am doing it. Just avoid Pacific Coast Auto, they act like the third-party inspections don't work and that is bad for you. YOU WILL WANT TO GET THE THIRD PARTY INSPECTIONS ON ANY VEHICLE YOU ARE INTERESTED IN. DO NOT TAKE UNNECESSARY RISK AND FORGO THE INSPECTION. I have lost count on how many absolute heaps I’ve avoided by paying some dude to go out and poke at the vehicle for 15 minutes. Blown head gaskets, hidden rust, swiss-cheese chassis, you name it. False mileage reports, interiors that smell like death, there are tons of issues that the auction sheet won’t mention for various reasons that a dedicated inspector will catch. You pay them for the inspection so they don’t care if you buy the vehicle or not. They are unbiased. They are your friends. You want a third party inspection. The kinds of vehicles you can buy via auction or essentially limitless. Cars sure, but forklifts, lawn mowers, motorcycles (also subject to the same 25 year rule) and heavy industrial equipment. Tow trucks and flatbeds too but I have no idea about the commercial licensing or CDL requirements to try to get a Japanese 50 ft flatbed truck registered here in the US. Each vehicle at auction will have an auction sheet. They will have an overall number on a scale from 5 to 0. Don't bother with anything under 3, 'R' ratings are a wild card. Is it an accident victim? Did someone JDM it hard with aftermarket parts? Did an old car simply have some panels replaced? The auction ~flow~ swells on Wednesday and has its lowest point on Saturday. Wednesday will have 80k+ vehicles up for auction while Saturday will be a third or less that. *Tradecarview and goo-net are not auctions but 'windows' into dealerships within Japan. While the best deals are always to be had at auction you shouldn't overlook seeing about buying wholesale from a dealer. Benefits are that the vehicle is expected to pass it's inspection and should be in excellent condition. Downside is that the dealer might not want to sell to you 'wholesale', that is, without the assorted fees that normally follow buying a used car within Japan tied to registration, inspection, road tax and the like. Something I've learned as time has gone on is the auction houses themselves. On the surface they kind of look the same but here is what I've found (with other goons giving their opinions as well): USS: The largest auction house operating and what I would consider the base line for grading. Will tend to be where you find popular things like Skylines and Land Cruisers. Their grading is done as you expect from how the numbers are supposed to be, grade 3s here will be like Yoshi says, generally good shape with some minor cosmetic issues. Interiors tend to follow suit, C grade interiors here will be generally in good shape with some cosmetic issues. Prices tend to be higher for no reason besides USS is a popular place to buy. Not bad, but because of the cost associated I've found myself not buying from them and sometimes avoiding them. Out of all the cars I've bought a minimum have come from USS auctions. TAA/KAA/JAA/CAA/KM AA: There might be more *AA houses, not sure. These guys are smaller, will tend to have cool and interesting things. Grades harshly, which is to say what would be a 3.5 or even a 4 at USS will be a 3 here. Interiors are the same, a C grade at USS will be a D here. Prices will be lower as it isn't as popular as USS and will have less eyes on the auctions. Most of my stuff I've bought have been from these houses, and all of my killer deals as well. I've had excellent luck. Both AZ-1s are from AA houses and I paid far lower than I would have at USS. These are my favorite houses as the harsh grading and lower prices means nicer vehicles for me, and maybe, you! MIRIVE: Will have more interesting things than USS. Grade the same as USS but prices will also be lower. Smaller than even *AA houses so will have less inventory during the week. ARAI: Grades easier than USS (as in a 3 in USS might be a 3.5 here, same with interiors), prices tend to be all over the place. Unique compared to most other houses as they seem to do all of their auctions on Saturday (or Friday for those of us in the USA). Grading is similar to USS, prices can be all over the place. Some good deals to be had here, but you have to watch like a hawk if you are after something specific since auctions will be listed and go live in a very short amount of time. Seems to be a large house with lots of trucks, 4x4s and vans with industrial stuff mixed in. Manufacture-specific houses like Isuzu or Honda: Grades very harshly, very little inventory but can get some killer vehicles. I scored my 1985 Hilux Surf from an Isuzu Kobe auction that graded it very harshly. Good for me since when I sent the inspector out there he turned around and said the truck was in great shape. Got it for a really good deal because of that. Not much attention for these auctions since they are few and far between but can hold great vehicles. Tiny in size and scope, might not see an auction from them for weeks at a time. Kei Vehicles: Tiny but Serious https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_car The kei vehicle class is a hyper-specialized Japanese-for-Japan only class of vehicle. Originally meant to jumpstart the Japanese automotive industry by creating a class of vehicles that were more than a motorcycle but not as expensive as a normal full-size car. A kei car can only be so long, so high and so wide, and has strict limits on engine size and later, horsepower. The benefits for a Japanese driver is that you don't have to prove you have somewhere to park in in various rural areas which is a normal requirement for any passenger vehicle in Japan. You pay much less in taxes and registration fees as well. Check out this cool chart that I stole from Wikipedia for the requirements and how they've changed throughout the years. The newest kei vehicles we can get will be under the 1990 requirements when the engine size was allowed to go to 660cc but engine power was capped for the first time at 64 hp. While kei vehicles are tiny and easy to make cute noises at they are 100% capable and serious vehicles. They are size and displacement restricted but they are still relied on, beat into the ground and responsible for untold amounts of commerce within Japan. They come in all sorts of variations from trucks and vans to the short burst of sports kei cars in the 90s. The least expensive way to get into that JDM life. Japanese Auctions: How? eBay they ain’t. Auctions in Japan run daily, with the auctions themselves taking place in seconds. Vehicle comes up, in a few seconds all the bids for that vehicle are placed, the high bid wins. Done.The next vehicle comes up, same thing. This repeats until the allotment of vehicles has run through, usually taking a few hours. You don’t live bid so much as load up all the bids you have, place them, and wait to see how you did. It’s hands off, all the preparation is the inspections and translations to see if you’re actually really interested in the vehicle enough to bid on. The Import Process This is how an import goes with Japan Car Direct: Browse auctions, find a vehicle you’re interested in. Get the auction sheet translated, see if you are still interested based on what the sheet says. If you are, you send a third party inspector out to give the vehicle a much more thorough inspection. They will turn the vehicle on, put it in gear, check the lights, smells, look for rust, check oil and coolant levels, if anything is leaking, etc. They unfortunately can’t actually drive the thing, but everything short of. Then they’ll give their opinion and then you get the report. THIS is what you decide to put a bid in on, not the auction sheet. If you decide to put in a bid then you submit your highest bid you can offer and wait for the auction to tick over. If you win, great! You get a copy of the winning bid, then shortly after your invoice. A few days after that you get dock pictures of your vehicle. Here you get a lot more detail in photos than you could ever have been before. Baring something happening like springing leaks or surprise corrosion (both have happened to me ) you then wait for the vehicle to ship out and head to your port. I work with an import broker. Great World Logistics, Henry and Jessica. I have absolutely zero issues with any strange and complicated issues that have come up. Great World always comes through and never leaves me hanging. Even without weird issues this simplifies the process a lot and ensures that I won't make any mistakes trapping my vehicle at the port racking up storage fees.. Even though I've imported so many vehicles I still use an import broker because goddamn does it simplify so much. Once the vehicle is on the ship I will get mailed a packet of papers which include the original Export Certificate (fancy colored paper, little doilies on the outer edge, covered in Japanese), and English translation of the export certificate, an invoice with signature of the person you bought it from which will match the name on the export certificate, and various other papers relating to the transport company, transport insurance and other details. The Export Certificate is critical as it shows that the vehicle is legally being exported by Japan and it will be used as the title in determining if it was brought to the US legally. An Export Certificate Since I work with an import broker you first give them power of attorney for details relating to U.S. Customs and Transportation of Cargo. Each brokerage will have their own forms but this simply means that your import broker speaks on your behalf. They will send you a DOT declaration form (which declares the vehicle is over 25 years old) and an EPA declaration form (declaring the vehicle is over 21 years old). The import broker then works with the authority at the port where your vehicle is going to. Yoshi at JCD will send me a BL that I’ll check and then send off to my import brokers. They’ll file it away, and I wait for their request for the EPA and DOT forms. I’ll fill those out, sign them, and send them to my brokers. They handle everything else, and I simply wait for them to send me the ‘Arrival Notice’, which I will get typically a couple weeks before the vehicle actually arrives at port. This is when I pay Hoegh, not for transport but the port fee. They have to pay for parking their giant ship at port, and this is where they charge me to cover for my specific vehicle. My vehicles are always transported by Höegh Autoliners, on their vessels. A roll-on/roll-off vessel named London. Typically a few weeks I’ll get a ‘Customs Released’ email, meaning the vehicle has passed through the federal import process and is now ready to be picked up. I pay Great World Logistics (my brokers) for their services, they send me all the paperwork I need. This is where I end communication with my brokers as now it is my responsibility to get the vehicle out of the port. Getting The Vehicle From Port If you are just getting one vehicle, call up a transport broker and let them handle the details. These are the same people you’d call if you were transporting anything in the USA, just have to let them know that you need a delivery from an international port. That packet of paperwork my import broker sent me? That gets sent to my transport broker/transport driver as they need that paperwork to get my vehicle out of the port. You can, technically, go to the port and pick up your vehicle yourself if you’d like but I’ve personally never done that as I’m 6~ hours one way far from my port. There are various hoops you have to jump through as well to be allowed into the port. Lots of people do it through so it can’t be that hard, but as I’ve never done it I have no advice. Vehicle Delivered, How Can I Show Off My Tight JDM?? To title an imported vehicle here in Florida requires the Entry Summary form you will receive completed by Homeland Security from your import broker. A blank Entry Summary, the very important document for getting your vehicle a state issued title. I am in Sarasota and my area office is in Palmetto. Lucky for me as a licensed dealer they have mobile inspectors that can make the rounds. I email my inspector dude, he says when he’ll be by, he shows up, goes over the vehicles comparing paperwork to the actual vehicles, gives me a specific signed sheet of paper with his signature for every one of the vehicles he inspects. Those papers along with the paperwork I received from my import brokers (the same packet I give my driver/transport broker) come with me to the DMV to get Florida titles. Each title costs me around $110 per vehicle. We’ve done this so much that the process is like clockwork now, and if I can do this you absolutely can as well. It isn’t hard, it’s just a very specific, very timed dance you must do for everything to work out. What About Parts? It isn't as bad as you'd think. You pay for shipping of course, and have to be patient because of shipping times. These are the main resources I use to locate parts. PartSouq The very first place I will look for parts every time. They way the site is organized, the database they have, it's just very nice. I sometimes will buy from here, if they show they have something they actually have it in stock and you'll get it in a few days. As a result they don't have near as much inventory as other places. The best place to get OEM Toyota keys though, cheaper that Amazon by far. http://partsfan.com/ Has a whole shitload of part lists with included diagrams that are extremely helpful but a little clunky to use, good to use for things like Daihatsus which are missing from PartSouq. https://www.amayama.com/en This is where I buy all my parts if I'm able, the prices can't be beat and everything I've ordered for everything has been through here, from OEM trim pieces to water pumps, belts, wipers, decals, everything. Find the part you need with the above sites, pop in the number in Amayama. Go through the order process and relish in your cool OEM Japanese parts. http://jp-carparts.com/ Another find-parts-with-pictures site but this one you can actually order parts from. I normally don't order parts from here but the option exists. https://www.megazip.net/zapchasti-dlya-avtomobilej And another site that has a bunch of diagrams for vehicles with included part numbers. Also sells parts directly. Will typically be the least expensive because they are always running coupon deals. 10-20% off everything sort of things. http://yokohamamotors.net/index.html This is a more specialized option, these guys have new parts for various vehicles but they specifically cater to US-based customers. They have a large used parts inventory for those hard to find parts. http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/tkojames Ran by Yokohama Motors this place lists all of the English-translated service manuals they've made. I own the Honda Acty one they wrote and it's been very nice to have. They aren't as detailed as I imagine the real-deal factory repair manuals are but they are in English. You can usually find them elsewhere on the internet, I ordered mine off Amazon for around $30 bucks. https://www.rhdjapan.com/ (thanks Lord of Garbagemen) Another site that leans performance but also has OEM parts available. Genuine OEM and speaks English. There are other ways too, some places will act as an agent to buy things off Japanese-only sites like Yahoo Auctions (which is as big as eBay is here in the US). I've never used them. MY STUFF I've got an instagram where I post cars and auction photos if you guys are into that And I also have a YouTube channel where I post walk-around POV videos and long drive videos. Very dry one-take type deals but super informative if you are trying to get an idea of what it would be like to live with one of these cars. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgkGALesdBiu0p7y66_BSigwTvcmlhdAL Here is what we kept: 1994 Toyota Land Cruiser Prado 2 door. Turbo diesel, 5 speed manual, just about flawless, 43,000~ km on the clock. All original. If anyone has any questions about any of this , some other goons have already taken the dive and imported things of their own and maybe you should too! KakerMix fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Sep 29, 2023 |
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Will be following along with this, as you could be a useful contact in the future! With the Cappo, it's the early ones where the engine is the same as the one Suzuki supplied for the AZ-1, it was changed later on in their run. Also I think the Cappo is closer to the S2000 than the Beat, which I would say is more like the Mk3 MR2, though I'm not keen on the Beat myself, I feel it always has this rather unfinished look to it. How much risk is there that, with the restrictive 25 year limit for the USA, all the good stuff is already in the EU or Canada? Do "show and display only" type clauses help you at all?
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InitialDave posted:Will be following along with this, as you could be a useful contact in the future! I lump the S2000 with the Beat simply on badge alone. I've had various people (usually older white men) come up to my Acty with this face like they want to be upset at this thing they don't understand but then they see the 'H' on the front and I can just hear their thought "Oh, Honda, one of the good ones". Whatever that thing is seems to be a fixture here in the US. I can't really say for certain if all the good stuff is taken but I do see lots of cool stuff still flowing through the auctions. You could always double-import something from the EU or Canada AFAIK the 'show and display' clauses have fairly strict rules to them. Either raw numbers or third-party verified rarity. You could probably get a Japanese firetruck or funeral car imported under those rules but you'd then be restricted on insurance and how you can drive the thing. I'm fairly certain that's how the 3 or 4 AZ-1s already in the US were imported but it's still 'wrong' if the feds ever cared to check. I'd rather patiently wait and do it purely by the books so I can hoon around in my tiny rocket like a true American.
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In canada the limit is 15 years, and there was a huge boom around 05-06 once R32s and FD3s and soarers became available and all of a sudden a pile of importers/dealers popped up. within a few years there were trashed soarers and aristos everywhere for peanuts and all the importers started disappearing. There are still one or two around, and we're starting to get neat poo poo like elgrands and stageas, but for the most part the novelty wore off. I personally looked at a few that came over, and this may surprise you to hear, but none of them really accommodated a 6'9 ogre. What always amused me were all the base model poo poo skylines that came over with nismo clusters, "26,000 kms!!!!!!" and completely worn out steering wheels and shift knobs. Also note that a lot of places have laws against selling vehicles for a profit without a license. Dealers will rat on you if they see you selling multiple vehicles at a time. There are a couple good used car sites in japan for window shopping, http://www.goo-net-exchange.com and https://www.tradecarview.com . there are some dope rear end little cars. https://www.tradecarview.com/used_car/toyota/publica/19880973/?sp=20 good thread and thanks for the info! e: Also worth noting the 25 year thing doesn't just mean japan. for used cars classifieds, there's https://www.pistonheads.co.uk and https://www.mobile.de in germany with some interesting cars coming up on the 15/25 year limit. Powershift fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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This is going to spur me on to find and import a TDR50 to match my 250. The import RHD craze has come and gone in BC for the most part and what is left locally are cars in good condition that will be around for a while or, on the other end of the spectrum, complete garbage with the worst hack poo poo you have ever seen "because JDM." The local government run insurance monopoly , ICBC, tended to undervalue and preferred to write off right hand drive vehicles for smaller than normal claims, while doing so not allowing them to be repaired with a salvage or "rebuilt" title, but given a death of "dismantle only". Meaning it can only be sold through the ICBC auction site to authorized wrecking yards to be stripped and sold for parts.
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I have a co-worker that does this and is driving a pretty sweet 3rd gen Supra with a 1JZ in it right now. Great post!
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Thank you for this write up, very cool and interesting to see the process. I went through and looked at what's out there and holy poo poo there is a lot of modified garbage if you want performance cars. All the good stuff probably already left to Canada or you're going to pay out the rear end for it.
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Powershift posted:In canada the limit is 15 years, and there was a huge boom around 05-06 once R32s and FD3s and soarers became available and all of a sudden a pile of importers/dealers popped up. within a few years there were trashed soarers and aristos everywhere for peanuts and all the importers started disappearing. Stole some stuff from you and put it in the op. The upshot to importing directly from Japan is they are quite strict on things like mileage and modification. While anything is possible generally you won't have any sort of mileage fuckery unless you get a 'mileage unknown' car which will show on the auction sheet. Since the inspections are so restrictive generally the only 'engine' mods you'll get are going to be exhaust related and the only destructive mods is when someone drills a turbo timer right into the dashboard Here in the US dealership requirements is determined by state. Florida posted:You must obtain a motor vehicle dealer license if you will be: Larrymer posted:Thank you for this write up, very cool and interesting to see the process. I went through and looked at what's out there and holy poo poo there is a lot of modified garbage if you want performance cars. All the good stuff probably already left to Canada or you're going to pay out the rear end for it. You're welcome. A few people asked about it in the post your ride thread, it is good to write it all down also to help solidify memories and ideas floating around in my head. It seems most stuff ends up in Europe before Canada gets a hold of it. Once things hit legality in the US though prices seem to shoot way up. United States is a huge market to sell to and the prices seem to reflect that with popular stuff like Skylines and Land Cruisers. Nobody ever seems to give a poo poo about kei cars though.
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Thread is rad, your taste in cars is rad, this is just rad and I hope poo poo really works out for you on this so I can learn more about it all.
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A site i have been working with for my rb25 parts is rhdjapan, I cannot recommend them enough. They would tend to be a bit more pricey but the parts are brand new, and they can find the most obscure poo poo.
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Lord of Garbagemen posted:A site i have been working with for my rb25 parts is rhdjapan, I cannot recommend them enough. They would tend to be a bit more pricey but the parts are brand new, and they can find the most obscure poo poo. These guys? They look to be a performance-oriented shop which is cool as heck. EDIT Here are some cars that sold over the last 24 hours at auction 1988 Toyota Soarer GT Twin Turbo, $1740. 1984 Nissan Skyline RS, around $5600 as it was sold by negotiation. This can happen if you were the highest bidder but didn't meet the reserve you can negotiate with the seller to buy the vehicle anyway. 1992 Toyota Town Ace, $4100. 4WD. Here are a couple of neat things coming up for auction 1992 Daihatsu Hijet JUMBO CUSTOM. 4WD, average price for one like this is $400. Looks like it could hit $800? We'll see. 1976 Toyota Hilux KakerMix fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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If anyone has trouble with US customs my old man is an independent customs broker. He's based out of Miami but has a national license.
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Super cool stuff. Good luck with your venture! You've said you don't take your kei van on the freeways, do you have another car or is this your daily and just change your route?
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KakerMix posted:These guys? The main site is performance, if you use the drop down they have an auction site, OEM (which is where i got the brand new transmission), and a wheel and tire one. They also speak english which is helpful.
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This thread makes me happy/sad in that cars from Japan are awesome/something I can't afford. Following with great interest and I'm glad it exists.
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Wrar posted:If anyone has trouble with US customs my old man is an independent customs broker. He's based out of Miami but has a national license. savesthedayrocks posted:Super cool stuff. Good luck with your venture! You've said you don't take your kei van on the freeways, do you have another car or is this your daily and just change your route? We have a 95 sc300 as our 'serious' car but it still has a 5-speed. Wife has her Tracker and I my van(s). We're seriously considering selling the sc300 and upgrading to a Land Cruiser or LX470 so we have the ability to drive to Jacksonville ourselves and trailer back whatever we buy. It would serve it's purpose of being the 'serious' car while also having more capability to serve our needs and I've always wanted a Land Cruiser anyway. Don't *really* want a giant SUV but what can you do? Lord of Garbagemen posted:The main site is performance, if you use the drop down they have an auction site, OEM (which is where i got the brand new transmission), and a wheel and tire one. They also speak english which is helpful.
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This is a really great post. Whats the classic market like over there? Ive always liked the way the early toyota centuries looked. It sounds like classics would be rare or maybe prohibitively expensive if they have high maintenance requirements to stay road worthy. You also mentioned part of the import reqs you went through required it be a running example. Is there a process or way to bring a rolling chassis, or would that make it a show car only? E: also this is a better write up than when jalopnik tried to tackle it, you should pitch an article if you have the time. DogonCrook fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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Cool OP. Have you ever seen any JDM NSXs come for sale or auction? I can't ever recall seeing one outside of Japan, on the road or for sale.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Cool OP. Have you ever seen any JDM NSXs come for sale or auction? I can't ever recall seeing one outside of Japan, on the road or for sale. Here is one going under the hammer in 11 hours from now. http://auctions.jdmauctionwatch.com/aj-2Qw6k5SOpZ91iQN.htm
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 18:49 |
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BigPaddy posted:Here is one going under the hammer in 11 hours from now. Automatic trans.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 18:53 |
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Note it's not just Japanese stuff that can be a good buy, people often source collector cars from Japan as they can be very well looked after, plus some oddities over the years like people repatriating Land Rover Discoveries to the UK.DogonCrook posted:E: also this is a better write up than when jalopnik tried to tackle it, you should pitch an article if you have the time.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 18:57 |
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Japan got Minis with air con too! There's a few cars released worldwide that got better spec in Japan.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:23 |
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InitialDave posted:Note it's not just Japanese stuff that can be a good buy, people often source collector cars from Japan as they can be very well looked after, plus some oddities over the years like people repatriating Land Rover Discoveries to the UK. Lol no not at all. What is their classic race car market like? Has that shot up like in the US?
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:34 |
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scuz posted:This thread makes me happy/sad in that cars from Japan are awesome/something I can't afford. Following with great interest and I'm glad it exists. Even if you could you wouldn't be able to fit in half of them. If a rabbit was to small I imagine a kei car even worse.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:45 |
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clam ache posted:Even if you could you wouldn't be able to fit in half of them. If a rabbit was to small I imagine a kei car even worse.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:48 |
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It just means you'd have to get a vert and live with only taking it out on dry days.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:49 |
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Japan got Minis with air con too! There's a few cars released worldwide that got better spec in Japan. Japanese people really love Alpinas. Also British crap.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:52 |
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Following this because a small part of me wants a R32/R33 Skyline as a midlife crisis car.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 20:26 |
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Awesome post, thanks for the real world info.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 21:50 |
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Oh subscribed. So when you say you're looking to try out being a dealer-lite - if a goon is interested in using your services, like now-ish are you ready to talk business or you just talking about it for now?
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 22:46 |
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I really do need to start doing my homework on importing a TVR Sagaris/Cerberus from the UK and a Turbo Bara Falcon Ute from Australia. Excellent OP and a great read. Also, I will volunteer to assist any Americans wanting to use the exchange rate and grab an already imported car from Canada (especially FD's - given my history).
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 22:56 |
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McTinkerson posted:I really do need to start doing my homework on importing a TVR Sagaris/Cerberus from the UK But the exchange rate is probably good for you now. There will be a lot of information out there. The big showstopper I know of with them is chassis rust: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=1134816&mid=57316 Pistonheads Forum Poster posted:I've had mine done. Lets face it they'll all need doing soon so it's a price we'll have to pay.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 23:28 |
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Human Grand Prix posted:Cool OP. Have you ever seen any JDM NSXs come for sale or auction? I can't ever recall seeing one outside of Japan, on the road or for sale. All the time. Be aware that everyone knows what they go for now so they won't be much cheaper, if at all. Right now there are three up for auction, only one worth a drat because it has a manual transmission. Downsides are it has some obvious repairs, it's been lowered, AC doesn't work (seemingly quite common in auctioned cars), radiator support is bent and it has cigarette burns on the interior. Kinda gaudy aftermarket wheels too but that can be fixed easy enough I suppose. Auction starts at $30,500 USD. If you can get one from a dealer lot the prices seem to start at around $42k for a 1991 w/ manual transmission and 47k miles and being heavily 'messed with'. Or $67000 for this gorgeous untouched beauty with 16.5k miles. InitialDave posted:Note it's not just Japanese stuff that can be a good buy, people often source collector cars from Japan as they can be very well looked after, plus some oddities over the years like people repatriating Land Rover Discoveries to the UK. This is true, I'll add this to the op. scuz posted:Right? The Rabbit pickup wasn't even close angryrobots posted:Oh subscribed. McTinkerson posted:I really do need to start doing my homework on importing a TVR Sagaris/Cerberus from the UK and a Turbo Bara Falcon Ute from Australia. Putting your name in the OP bub. KakerMix fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Aug 5, 2017 |
# ? Aug 5, 2017 00:04 |
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The info is Daniel Casale P.O. BOX 521079 MIAMI, FL 33152-1079 (305) 971-8337 Casalebroker at Gmail
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# ? Aug 5, 2017 00:21 |
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Wrar posted:The info is Thank you, added to the OP.
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# ? Aug 5, 2017 00:30 |
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KakerMix posted:This is true, I'll add this to the op. Also, I met this guy near the Tokyo Tower a few years back. Universal link of being car guys overrode the pretty significant language barrier for an attempt at a chat: KakerMix posted:Not just limited to JDM, maybe there is an e30 wagon waiting for you! KakerMix posted:Yeah you might fit in a Beat ok, Clarkson fit in one just fine and with the way it's designed you have quite a bit of room. As for the vans I'm 5'9" and have the seat all the way back. InitialDave fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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KakerMix posted:However it truly isn't that bad assuming you have the time to delicate to it. Yeah that's the kicker, time-sensitive communication can be a problem for me. I guess I'll see what you have coming off the boat, but you've posted a few examples I'd be interested in. (Kei car, turbo, rwd preferred or awd, minty, gotta be manual). So about the trailer that barely fit your narrow kei vans...I'm guessing it had fold down ramps that either weren't adjustable or didn't have enough adjustment?
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# ? Aug 5, 2017 00:53 |
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Awesome job, op! I don't think you touched on it, and I could probably do the math, but do you have any idea what I could save after going through a broker and shipping it to the US vs buying it from a place like Japanese Classics? There's easily a half dozen kei cars I'd consider buying, the Jimny and Mighty Boy chief among them. If I were patient and willing to jump through the hoops, is that the way to go? Obviously there is money to be made handling the importation and selling them, or you wouldn't be in this venture, but do you have a rough guess on what the mark up would be percentage wise to just skip the hassle and buy from someone like you?
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Motorex didn't use any loopholes to sell the cars, they did what you actually have to do to sell a car in the U.S.: have it crash & emission tested and have it meet all applicable standards. Crash testing involves destroying three cars (maybe more now that they test roof crush strength?), emission testing I don't know much about but I'm going to guess this costs a lot of money to hire the crash test facilities, etc., not to mention the 3+ cars you have to destroy. Motorex had to at least beef up the door & install 3 catalytic converters. I guess Motorex then faked the things they needed to do later on and the cars were seized, though not crushed, mercifully. So yeah, you can get around the 25 year rule, you just have to basically do what a manufacturer does. The other way is if you're importing a model that is similar and already exists in the U.S., and the manufacturer certifies it will perform the same in crash testing as the equivalent U.S. model, etc, once you modify it to U.S. spec (bumpers, instrument cluster, etc). You can read a bit about it and see the list of vehicles that people have gone through the process with here: https://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/elig010807.pdf My question is why did somebody do this with a Chevrolet Cavalier?
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