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Hoodwinker
Nov 7, 2005

Twerk from Home posted:

Oh, if he's actually the guy that runs the biggest one of those services, then yes he could be making 40x the rent. He's acting directly as a money launderer for foreign nationals.

Surely nobody would do anything illegal with cryptocurrency?

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BarbarianElephant
Feb 12, 2015
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

blah_blah posted:

It's really hard to get off the treadmill when your comp keeps going up and up even as the hours and stress get worse and worse. Congrats to her on actually doing that.

It's not at all uncommon in NYC finance. Young finance guys (and gals) work themselves to death in their 20s and build up a big stash of cash, then quit and do what they really want to do at 30-35. It's the origin story for most of those cute little non-chain cafes you find in nice areas of NYC.

You aren't suffering with a walk-up studio in Manhattan in your '20s. You are basically just sleeping there, so how big does it need to be?

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

SquirrelFace posted:

A big thing around here is mini horses. All the expense of a horse, none of the utility. Can't even ride them! They're really cute though...

They may be service animals.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

Nail Rat posted:

As they'd have to be bred specifically for that (read: inbred) I'm sure they actually are even more expensive than regular horses with even more maladies.

It's a miracle Lil' Sebastian lived for as long as he did.

Referee
Aug 25, 2004

"Winning is great, sure, but if you are really going to do something in life, the secret is learning how to lose. Nobody goes undefeated all the time. If you can pick up after a crushing defeat, and go on to win again, you are going to be a champion someday."
(Wilma Rudolph)

ohgodwhat posted:

"I signed something to share the responsibility for payments so that the bank would actually agree to the loan, but now that the exact situation for which they required a cosigner occurs, I would like to renege. "

What do people think they're doing when they cosign? Do they even wonder why a bank is suddenly cool with giving someone money once someone else cosigns for it? Do they think it's the bank going, "hey family member, is this person totally cool with money? yes? ok, great, your totally unbiased opinion means a lot to us, here's $50k"

This is EXACTLY what people think.

SquirrelFace
Dec 17, 2009

monster on a stick posted:

They may be service animals.

Some might be, but we bought a rabbit from a woman who had like 20 of them just milling around in pastures. The people we bought our place from had them too as pets. Lots of them for sale on the local Craigslist.

I think some are show horses so they can win prizes, but the cash prizes usually aren't big enough to cover the cost of the shows.

Mokelumne Trekka
Nov 22, 2015

Soon.

Any good articles (or personal stories from posters here) on having kids with a low income and how bad of an idea that is?

My partner and I have an income less than 100k and I can't comprehend having kids until or if we hit that mark. I feel that not having them is the best decision I've made despite immense pressure & expectation from society.

Like just today I paid $400 on dental work and need to pay DMV $150 on new stickers. Random expenses always come out of nowhere, but I have the luxury of shrugging them off - NOT possible with mouths to feed. I just don't get how people with families get by when tentacles suck money in all directions. And daycare costs? gently caress almighty.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
[quote="“Mokelumne Trekka”" post="“475053973”"]
Any good articles (or personal stories from posters here) on having kids with a low income and how bad of an idea that is?

My partner and I have an income less than 100k and I can’t comprehend having kids until or if we hit that mark. I feel that not having them is the best decision I’ve made despite immense pressure & expectation from society.

Like just today I paid $400 on dental work and need to pay DMV $150 on new stickers. Random expenses always come out of nowhere, but I have the luxury of shrugging them off - NOT possible with mouths to feed. I just don’t get how people with families get by when tentacles suck money in all directions. And daycare costs? gently caress almighty.
[/quote]

I’m on mobile or I’d post that Mad Max bait gif.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

Krispy Kareem posted:

I’m on mobile or I’d post that Mad Max bait gif.
I dunno, I think he needs to work wedding expenses into that post too.

Mokelumne Trekka
Nov 22, 2015

Soon.

Krispy Kareem posted:

I’m on mobile or I’d post that Mad Max bait gif.

What

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender
The ethics of having kids at arbitrarily low incomes & whether or not $100k qualifies as a high income are both recurring derail topics.

Sorry if you were actually serious. :v:

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
At least he doesn’t make over 100k. Then he’d have to watch his unborn children sacrificed on the Guillotine of Late Capitalism.

The answer to your question is, kids are loving expensive - but you adjust to afford them. Also learn about 529 plans.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender
More specifically, assuming GWM parents who care about their children:

They cut costs on things you might take for granted(living in housing that's not their ideal, eating cheaper food, wearing cheaper clothes, replacing tech & cars less often, going on vacations less often, etc), for starters. They sacrifice their wants(and if they're broke enough, their own needs) so the kids can get what they need. No, they're not going to live the cushy life someone making big bucks would, but that's the trade-off of having children.

As for daycare, people just do the math on whether or not it makes more sense for one of the parents to stay home until the kid starts kindergarten. Or they run a sketchy daycare out of their home so they can still earn something, or send their kids to a sketchy(but cheaper) at-home daycare. Or they finagle some sort of shiftwork so one parent can be home looking after kids while the other works.

LLCoolJD
Dec 8, 2007

Musk threatens the inorganic promotion of left-wing ideology that had been taking place on the platform

Block me for being an unironic DeSantis fan, too!

Mokelumne Trekka posted:

My partner and I have an income less than 100k and I can't comprehend having kids until or if we hit that mark. I feel that not having them is the best decision I've made despite immense pressure & expectation from society.

What income brackets do you think are having all the children? Somehow, they aren't starving to death (but they might have to drive an older, base model Camry).

TLG James
Jun 5, 2000

Questing ain't easy

LLCoolJD posted:

What income brackets do you think are having all the children? Somehow, they aren't starving to death (but they might have to drive an older, base model Camry).

Uh.. Poorer people are having the most amount of kids. I think making less than 30k a year is a bit worse than just driving an old camry.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/

TLG James fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Aug 5, 2017

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

No, the least educated people have the most kids. It's almost as if behavior changes when opportunities arise.

meat police
Nov 14, 2015

Sex is fun and free, I can see why it happens.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.

meat police posted:

Sex is fun and free, I can see why it happens.

Maybe free for you. Try having a horrible personality!

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug
Yeah, check your pleasant privilege

Mokelumne Trekka
Nov 22, 2015

Soon.

LLCoolJD posted:

What income brackets do you think are having all the children? Somehow, they aren't starving to death (but they might have to drive an older, base model Camry).

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/by-the-numbers-childhood-poverty-in-the-u-s/

This article and documentary focus on extreme cases - but to me it debunks the argument that having kids is an inherently manageable decision regardless of income. If you factor in a child's mental health, quality of life and future job prospects, it is not always. Filling a kid's stomach with processed mac & cheese is cheap. Taking them to the orthodontist and paying for college is not. America is regressing into a developing nation for many people - in a globalized economy, the stakes are very high.

The 100k mark is just what I see for my own situation (coastal city, etc.) If I'm rehashing a tired topic my apologies. I'm not flamewar baiting here. I thought this thread was voyeurism for bad decisions.

Such as:

NYTimes posted:

Ms. Schairer’s rent consumes more than half her income, and she scrapes by on food stamps.

“I see Chris’s kids — they’re in swimming and karate and baseball and Boy Scouts, and it seems like it’s always her or her husband who’s able to make it there,” Ms. Schairer said. “That’s something I wish I could do for my kids. But number one, that stuff costs a lot of money and, two, I just don’t have the time.”

She got pregnant during her first year of college, left school and stayed in a troubled relationship that left her with three children when it finally collapsed six years ago. She has had little contact with the children’s father and receives no child support. With an annual income of just under $25,000, Ms. Schairer barely lifts her children out of poverty, but she is not one to complain. “I’m in this position because of decisions I made,” she said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/us/two-classes-in-america-divided-by-i-do.html

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010


That's not funny bad with money that's tragic bad with money :smith:

KingSlime
Mar 20, 2007
Wake up with the Kin-OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?!
Yeah to be honest it just sounds like you want to talk poo poo about poor people with kids. That situation is incredibly common.

Neigh I say, bring in more horse stories and less shaming of poors for its own sake

Get outta here with your hurf durf you must make 100k to reproduce

Mokelumne Trekka
Nov 22, 2015

Soon.

I see a lack of frank discussion on this topic in society, and I think this tragedy just perpetuates itself at least slightly because no one wants to talk about it. Having a kid is like getting a Mercedes. In hindsight I do feel like an rear end in a top hat now, so there's that.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Maybe something is fundamentally broken with our society and economy if you need to earn twice the median household income to afford to have offspring?

:capitalism: long term bwm for humanity

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

"Frank" discussions about it usually end with some would-be ubermensch swooping in and suggesting sterilizing those stupid filthy poors who are clearly just too dumb to keep it in their pants.


And not, you know, sensible things like "unfucking sex education" or "subsidized birth control" or similarly godless socialist tomfoolery. Like actually ensuring people are paid a fair wage for their labor.

hailthefish fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Aug 5, 2017

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Mokelumne Trekka posted:

I see a lack of frank discussion on this topic in society, and I think this tragedy just perpetuates itself at least slightly because no one wants to talk about it. Having a kid is like getting a Mercedes. In hindsight I do feel like an rear end in a top hat now, so there's that.

I'm not sure how much of this thread you've read but thread regular poster John Smith regularly shits up this place by having ~frank discussions~ on how we should just let poor people die because they're not perfect like he is or how rape victims had it coming for hanging out in the wrong neighborhood or whatever. Sorry if we're a bit... unwelcoming.

I totally agree that it's something society really vitally needs to discuss more but this thread isn't for that and can't really handle that.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/6rsinz/on_life_with_a_negative_net_worth/ posted:

On life with a negative net worth (self.personalfinance)

submitted 2 hours ago by WhiteWaterLawyer

I have a significantly negative net worth, mostly from student loans on my professional degree.

I feel like common financial wisdom is to live like a monk until debt free. But is that really necessary?

I keep a detailed spreadsheet about my finances and projections range from depressing to great depending on the huge variable that is my income. The legal job market has been pretty bad the last few years and so far I've made less per year in the four years since law school than I did in the four years before it. Part of my debt is from definitely living beyond my means in that time; I had acclimated to a certain lifestyle before school and didn't downgrade it until recently when the reality of being a poor lawyer finally sank in.

Now I've finally gotten a job with a decent pay scale and a good workload, and I'm looking at my income increasing significantly. My income is finally "stable" on a draw salary and based on the trend so far it's looking like my income will be five figures monthly by early spring.

My plan is to aggressively attack debt, but I am also planning a few purchases that might seem indulgent. Is it necessarily wrong for me to spend some of my income on comfort while still in the early stages of debt elimination?

The planned indulgence is a custom RV that I will use as a mobile office and to promote my business. I travel a lot because of both work and my hobbies (whitewater and law) and an appropriate vehicle would make that travel a lot more comfortable, but is undeniably a big chunk of change. I view the purchase as part of my early retirement plan as I will definitely be spending much more time in it once I get to true financial independence. With the RV and conservative projections of my income (August has already blown past the conservative projections by almost double) I would reach my definition of retirement 11 years from now; without the RV I could do it in ten. The RV would delay the debt-free (except student loans which I am leaning toward staying on IBR with) timeline from 18 months to 2 years. I am comfortable with that tradeoff because while I am getting better at deferring gratification, I am tired of being poor.

Am I wrong to think like this, or is this an acceptable part of coming up with my own individual plan?

Power of Pecota
Aug 4, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

I love the sudden pivot from "I'm in terrible debt and I want to buy a promotional RV" to "I should probably be able to retire in 11 years"

My PIN is 4826
Aug 30, 2003

Working out of a decal-clad RV is something I'd expect to see in an episode of Better Call Saul

Folly
May 26, 2010


Dude is literally gonna go live in a van down by the river.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

monster on a stick posted:

My income is finally "stable" on a draw salary and based on the trend so far it's looking like my income will be five figures monthly by early spring.
Something something past performance is not indicative of future results.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Yesterday I was unemployed, now I work at McDonalds for $9/hr. Therefore tomorrow I will make infinity dollars.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

ate all the Oreos posted:

That's not funny bad with money that's tragic bad with money :smith:

quote:

After Ms. Schairer had an operation for cervical cancer last summer, the surgeon told her to take six weeks off. She went back to work five weeks early, with a rare flash of class anger. “It’s easy when you make $500 an hour to stand there and tell me to take six weeks off,” she said. “I can’t have six weeks with no pay.”

:smith:

theHUNGERian
Feb 23, 2006

Mokelumne Trekka posted:

I see a lack of frank discussion on this topic in society, and I think this tragedy just perpetuates itself at least slightly because no one wants to talk about it. Having a kid is like getting a Mercedes. In hindsight I do feel like an rear end in a top hat now, so there's that.

This is practically (or should be, in my opinion) the financial schadenfreude-thread. Frank discussions count as derails, indicated by derail bird - a Toucan.

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


22 Eargesplitten posted:

Yesterday I was unemployed, now I work at McDonalds for $9/hr. Therefore tomorrow I will make infinity dollars.

It would be more reasonable to assume a $9/hr increase every week to have a conservative estimate.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015


God drat America

curufinor
Apr 4, 2016

by Smythe
rename thread to "schadenfreude w/ money"?

EIDE Van Hagar
Dec 8, 2000

Beep Boop

Folly posted:

Dude is literally gonna go live in a van down by the river.

Yeah if I just lived in a converted sprinter van I could retire in a decade but the downside is living in a loving van.

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monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

curufinor posted:

rename thread to "schadenfreude w/ money"?

This thread opens with this:

quote:

This thread is BFC's home for poking fun at the wide world of Bad With Money (BWM): six figure earners who live paycheck to paycheck, poetry majors with $120K in student loan debt, Silicon Valley venture capital flops, and everything in between.

Maybe we can expand the thread to making fun of people who can't read

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