Warhammer 40,000: 8th Time's the Charm

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Naramyth: Jan 22, 2009; Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.

WhiteOutMouse posted:

Let them have fun feeling powerful and elite and you get to feel good killing like 40pt models that have one wound.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 16:33

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# ? May 19, 2024 07:05

SRM: Jul 10, 2009; ~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~

The Sex Cannon posted:

I hope you enjoy your new sicaran arcus

edit - the word arcus looks like the word anus

It's called that because it'll go sickhouse on your anus next time we play

# ? Aug 4, 2017 16:33

The Bee: Nov 25, 2012; Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!

JoshTheStampede posted:

The GK ones are even the same names as the SM ones.

I mean, Grey Knights are just a fancy Space Marine chapter, so it makes sense to me. They're probably going to have some special Grey Knight stratagems too to replace the shared ones, but as far as I can tell it's just a shared element like Stormtalon access is.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 16:34

MasterSlowPoke: Oct 9, 2005; Our courage will pull us through

Pretty much confirms that they don't get any Primaris dudes, though.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 16:36

goose willis: Jun 14, 2015; Get ready for teh wacky laughz0r!

Why are Primaris two wounds and plague marines one

# ? Aug 4, 2017 16:42

JoshTheStampede: Sep 8, 2004; come at me bro

goose willis posted:

Why are Primaris two wounds and plague marines one

Because plague marines are T5 and have 5+ FNP?

Edit: And because plague Terminators will have 2 wounds.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 16:43

The Bee: Nov 25, 2012; Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!

goose willis posted:

Why are Primaris two wounds and plague marines one

Cawl didn't stuff them to the gills with performance enhancing drugs, and Fabius Bile hasn't back-engineered the secret formula yet.

Also if basic troop choices were T2, S5, FNP 5+, Plague Marines would be horrible to remove from the board.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 16:46

Living Image: Apr 24, 2010; HORSE'S ASS

goose willis posted:

Why are Primaris two wounds and plague marines one

Game balance

# ? Aug 4, 2017 16:46

Hamshot: Feb 1, 2006; Fun Shoe

Primaris are also physically bigger. It really isn't difficult at all to justify them having more wounds.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 16:46

The Sex Cannon: Nov 22, 2004; Eh. I'm pretty content with my current logo.

SRM posted:

It's called that because it'll go sickhouse on your anus next time we play

scoreboard

# ? Aug 4, 2017 18:40

JoshTheStampede: Sep 8, 2004; come at me bro

Has anyone seen a repulsor in person yet? How does it compare size-wise to a Land Raider? I'm only gonna buy one if it will fit in my land raider foam.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 18:54

Safety Factor: Oct 31, 2009; Grimey Drawer

Is it just me or is the Black Legion trait not very good? It converts rapid fire weapons into assault weapons so Rapid Fire 1 becomes Assault 1. No double-tapping at half range. Maybe it's good for an advancing infantry horde, but that's not my style so maybe I'm missing something.

I am so down for the Night Lords rules though. :getin:

# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:04

goose willis: Jun 14, 2015; Get ready for teh wacky laughz0r!

Is there supposed to be a difference between the Intercessors with scoped and un-scoped bolt rifles from the Dark Imperium set?

# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:05

MasterSlowPoke: Oct 9, 2005; Our courage will pull us through

Safety Factor posted:

Is it just me or is the Black Legion trait not very good? It converts rapid fire weapons into assault weapons so Rapid Fire 1 becomes Assault 1. No double-tapping at half range. Maybe it's good for an advancing infantry horde, but that's not my style so maybe I'm missing something.

I am so down for the Night Lords rules though.

+1LD is the better half of the buff. I matters more for them as they can't reroll break tests.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:06

JoshTheStampede: Sep 8, 2004; come at me bro

Safety Factor posted:

Is it just me or is the Black Legion trait not very good? It converts rapid fire weapons into assault weapons so Rapid Fire 1 becomes Assault 1. No double-tapping at half range. Maybe it's good for an advancing infantry horde, but that's not my style so maybe I'm missing something.

I am so down for the Night Lords rules though.

It only converts when you advance. So you can double tap if you want, or run and still shoot.

\/\/ Like three of my friends didn't read it that way and thought it replaced all your rapid fires.

JoshTheStampede fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Aug 4, 2017

# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:08

Safety Factor: Oct 31, 2009; Grimey Drawer

MasterSlowPoke posted:

+1LD is the better half of the buff. I matters more for them as they can't reroll break tests.

Yeah, and if they stay unmarked they can take Icons of Vengeance for another +1 LD which can get pretty ridiculous if they want to go that way.

JoshTheStampede posted:

It only converts when you advance. So you can double tap if you want, or run and still shoot.

C'mon, really? I know I didn't explicitly spell that out in my post and I know this is the 40k thread, but I did actually read the trait before commenting.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:21

MonsterEnvy: Feb 4, 2012; Shocked I tell you

Abbadon an already good unit got a buff here, by giving extra command points.

As I own both Abbadon and a Black Leigon army this is nice for me.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:24

Zuul the Cat: Dec 24, 2006; Grimey Drawer

So they'll probably announce Death Guard this coming week, and it'll be released the following, right?

# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:39

Der Waffle Mous: Nov 27, 2009; In the grim future, there is only commerce.

I guess my assumption that the generic SM stratagems were usable by all chapters panned out.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:42

JoshTheStampede: Sep 8, 2004; come at me bro

Zuul the Cat posted:

So they'll probably announce Death Guard this coming week, and it'll be released the following, right?

They need to release 2 a month to make the 10 by Christmas promise. I had thought that was 1 every two weeks, but maybe it'll be two on the same week each month. In which case it would be another week or two before they announce Death Guard and Whatever Is Next.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:44

Pendent: Nov 16, 2011; The bonds of blood transcend all others.
But no blood runs stronger than that of Sanguinius; Grimey Drawer

I get the feeling that big releases like marines and deathguard that include new models will likely get release slot all to themselves, while the smaller releases like Grey Knights and Chaos will come in twos and threes.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:47

MasterSlowPoke: Oct 9, 2005; Our courage will pull us through

Zuul the Cat posted:

So they'll probably announce Death Guard this coming week, and it'll be released the following, right?

I'd guess the reveal of the Death Guard will be Nova Open weekend. Seems like the good place to show off Morty and finishes what they started with Adepticon. We'll probably also see Necromunda there.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 19:51

TheChirurgeon: Aug 7, 2002; Remember how good you are; Taco Defender

Safety Factor posted:

C'mon, really? I know I didn't explicitly spell that out in my post and I know this is the 40k thread, but I did actually read the trait before commenting.

Your original post made it unclear whether you got that part. But either way the alternative is "not shooting at all" so you aren't "losing" the ability to double-tap. I agree with Master SlowPoke that the +1Ld armywide is the bigger deal, but they work in tandem more than I think you realize. It basically gives standard chaos marines more versatility, and you combine that with +1 Ld and you now have a good incentive to take bolter CSMs in larger squads with plasma guns who can get around capturing objectives more quickly without a huge loss of combat effectiveness and without the need for a Rhino.

I like it a lot, but I admit it's not the strongest trait of the bunch (hello EC and WE).

# ? Aug 4, 2017 20:00

Fake James: Aug 18, 2005; Y'all got any more of that plastic?; Buglord

Teaching two friends this game. One guy is flipping the gently caress out about how unbalanced the game is because i can kill some of his termagaunts, and thinks cannon fodder should be beefier and have a ton of abilities. Says things are unfair, all while stomping me in every game so far. He has so far complained you have to pay for wargear options and doesnt understand why you don't have to buy crew members for transports as "paying for extra models is what this game is all about, apparently". He is constantly frowning at "the amount of bullshit rolls" as "DnD's armor system makes WAY more sense than this bullshit".

Other guy has played DoW in the past, really likes how the Eldar work, and wants to give murder clowns a try because he thinks the game is fun.

Guess who I enjoy playing against more!

Fake James fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Aug 4, 2017

# ? Aug 4, 2017 20:09

JoshTheStampede: Sep 8, 2004; come at me bro

Some people are determined not to have fun.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 20:27

EdsTeioh: Oct 23, 2004; PRAY FOR DEATH

Geoff Zahn posted:

Teaching two friends this game. One guy is flipping the gently caress out about how unbalanced the game is because i can kill some of his termagaunts, and thinks cannon fodder should be beefier and have a ton of abilities. Says things are unfair, all while stomping me in every game so far. He has so far complained you have to pay for wargear options and doesnt understand why you don't have to buy crew members for transports as "paying for extra models is what this game is all about, apparently". He is constantly frowning at "the amount of bullshit rolls" as "DnD's armor system makes WAY more sense than this bullshit".

Other guy has played DoW in the past, really likes how the Eldar work, and wants to give murder clowns a try because he thinks the game is fun.

Guess who I enjoy playing against more!

Sounds like when I taught a friend of mine how to play Squad Leader back in the day. Dude is chewing through my Germans with MG fire, forcing break tests (which I'm failing) all the while complaining that "There aren't any rules for reinforcements or supply or (insert WWII minutia about Russians and ammo). Rad, dude.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 20:29

Safety Factor: Oct 31, 2009; Grimey Drawer

JoshTheStampede posted:

\/\/ Like three of my friends didn't read it that way and thought it replaced all your rapid fires.

It's spelled out right there though.

TheChirurgeon posted:

Your original post made it unclear whether you got that part. But either way the alternative is "not shooting at all" so you aren't "losing" the ability to double-tap. I agree with Master SlowPoke that the +1Ld armywide is the bigger deal, but they work in tandem more than I think you realize. It basically gives standard chaos marines more versatility, and you combine that with +1 Ld and you now have a good incentive to take bolter CSMs in larger squads with plasma guns who can get around capturing objectives more quickly without a huge loss of combat effectiveness and without the need for a Rhino.

I like it a lot, but I admit it's not the strongest trait of the bunch (hello EC and WE).

Yeah, like I said, I see the utility for an infantry horde, but that's just not my style. I've always preferred mechanized lists and while this trait doesn't preclude a mechanized Black Legion force, it definitely doesn't incentivize it in any way. I really like that the legions shown so far seem to be promoting different play styles. It's done in relatively simple ways, but Night Lords, for example, benefit from running more units and are encouraged to take raptors as their legion trait stacks with the raptors' ability. It's neat.

FW's been doing similar things with 30k for years and all of the legions, despite sharing 90%+ of their units, manage to play very differently. I like seeing that replicated in 40k to some extent.

Safety Factor fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Aug 4, 2017

# ? Aug 4, 2017 20:39

moths: Aug 25, 2004; I would also still appreciate some danger.

moths fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Aug 4, 2017

# ? Aug 4, 2017 20:53

SteelMentor: Oct 15, 2012; TOXIC

moths posted:

Photoshop, the picture quality is way better on the Bretonnian Bigly and the font is different.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 20:56

goose willis: Jun 14, 2015; Get ready for teh wacky laughz0r!

moths posted:

I SEE YOU THERE TZEENTCH

DON'T HIDE FROM ME

# ? Aug 4, 2017 21:27

Artum: Feb 13, 2012; DUN da dun dun da DUUUN; Soiled Meat

Typhus is apparently on the list of stuff thats sold out and not coming back, guess he must be getting a new kit with the death guard.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 21:34

TheChirurgeon: Aug 7, 2002; Remember how good you are; Taco Defender

Safety Factor posted:

It's spelled out right there though.

Yeah, like I said, I see the utility for an infantry horde, but that's just not my style. I've always preferred mechanized lists and while this trait doesn't preclude a mechanized Black Legion force, it definitely doesn't incentivize it in any way. I really like that the legions shown so far seem to be promoting different play styles. It's done in relatively simple ways, but Night Lords, for example, benefit from running more units and are encouraged to take raptors as their legion trait stacks with the raptors' ability. It's neat.

FW's been doing similar things with 30k for years and all of the legions, despite sharing 90%+ of their units, manage to play very differently. I like seeing that replicated in 40k to some extent.

Yeah that's fair, though I think it can still encourage *some* mechanization. I'd still include berserkers in a Black Legion list, for example, and any close combat units I'd rather put in a transport. Alternatively, once you're out of your transport or looking to kite an oncoming assault unit, it gives you a lot more mobility.

I also love the Night Lords rules.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 21:45

Safety Factor: Oct 31, 2009; Grimey Drawer

Crosspostin' because I'm totally going to use this guy as a counts-as Belial when I play 40k.

Safety Factor posted:

Work in Progress comin' through!

Ok, so here we go. This guy's obviously a work in progress, but I think I'm comfortable showing him off for now. Essentially, I took the dorky Praetor Tribune model and dangled him up to hell and back. The halberd blade, wing poles, and dong shield are all stolen from the plastic Deathwing kit. The chest angel is a little 40k decoration I cut the wings off of and shaved down, using greenstuff to fit it to the torso after removing the central eagle-ish thing. Now it's got its wings unfurled, shooting lightning everywhere. The head's an alternate from the metal Dark Angels company master. It's been lurking in my bits box for forever and it seemed fitting. I did try a helmet, but just couldn't get it to fit even by shaving it down so I moved on. The cape is a terminator chaos lord cape with a few modifications. I had to cut out the original mount and the smokestacks, then I used greenstuff to repair the fur and I tried to patch up all the holes in the cape. There are a lot of them and they still probably need a little bit of work. The cape is held on with some putty for now, it'll be kept separate for painting.

Again, this guy's not done yet. I've got another growly lion shoulder pad coming from ebay; they're actually Age of Sigmar bits and I had a left one leftover from some model I built for Silver Tower. I tracked down a right-hand version of the shoulder pad in the Stormcast Paladins box. The weapon is also unfinished. I'm aiming to use the censer end of the Deathwing halberd, but I'm also trying to extend the haft of the weapon a little so it doesn't look quite as doofy. Unfortunately, no plastic grips match this one so I'm going to have to figure something out myself.

Overall, I'm really happy with how this guy is coming along. The crotch protector is maybe a little too long; it actually starts at the torso on the original sculpt and only goes to around the knees. I can still alter it and move it up a few mm, but I'm pretty ok with it as-is. I'm also contemplating a grenade harness up top, between the two feather poles.

The original model, for reference:

Safety Factor posted:

# ? Aug 4, 2017 21:51

TheChirurgeon: Aug 7, 2002; Remember how good you are; Taco Defender

GW did a game of Black Legion vs. Grey Knights on Twitch today and revealed a bunch of new stuff. Here's the rundown (not my transcription work):

quote:

Strategems leaked:
1CP - Character does d3 mortal wounds with a bolter weapon
1CP - Give a unit a Mark of Chaos
1CP - Chaos Boon, 2 is Spawn, 12 is Daemon Prince, 7 choose a bonus, 4 is +3" to move characteristic, 9 +1 to all saves
1CP - Tzeentch can do another power
1CP - Choose a different psychic power
1CP - +1 to wound for a unit of infantry, bikers (not renegade units)
1CP - A Daemon Engine can re-roll to hit and wound for a phase
2CP - A unit of cultists on the board can re-deploy via deep strike within 6" of a board edge
1CP - Linebreaker Bombardment
1CP - Killshot (noice)
1CP - Flakk missile
~CP - A Helbrute can fire twice if it doesn�t move
1CP/3CP - extra Artifacts
1CP - Heretic vehicle ignores penelties for assault/heavy weapons
Alpha Legion get the RavenGuard strategem

Artifacts:
Axe of Blind Fury, Murder sword and Black Mace are back + a load more artifacts.

Psychic Powers:
DeathHex - WC 8, 12" an enemy unit can't take invul saves.
~ - roll d6, if higher than a models toughness they take d3 mortal wounds

Warlord Traits:
Alpha Legion WLT is, when your Warlord dies another character becomes your Warlord and gains a new Warlord trait. No StW when you kill the warlord the first time.

Renegades Legion trait is advance and charge.