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Allison grabs Mary when she flies the two of them out of the exploding dam. She has the serial killer in her custody only to let her go minutes later. This after Mary states that she has no problem murdering innocent people if that's what it takes to win the rape war. At no point does Allison attempt to convince Mary that what she is doing is wrong, just that there are better options than killing. It's a half-assed attempt to convince a murderer to stop murdering and it's undermined in the concluding scenes where the rest of the supporting characters all say they either support Mary or are ambivalent.
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Cat Mattress posted:wb avs. Try not to be too blatantly avs, it would be cool to keep you around for a while.
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I don't remember if I or anyone else commented on it at the time, but I thought it was pretty hosed up how Mary kidnapped Furnace, took him to a dam, and strapped a bomb to him, yet the plot was contrived such that he was the one singularly responsible for the destruction of the dam and his own death.
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Aug 2, 2017 10:41
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lol, followed by "HOW MANY INNOCENTS WERE IN THE PATH OF THAT TSUNAMI" "ABSOLUTELY ZERO, SIR"
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Aug 2, 2017 10:47
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If the guy from Saw movies only tortured rapists, he'd be the good guy.
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KaoliniteMilkshake posted:So far the most consistent thesis seems to be 'having a consistent worldview is hard and most people get by trying to do what they consider right in a situation without considering broader implications' I mentioned this elsewhere before but I think it's a mix of a few problems, the first being that they've made a comic that's a deconstruction of superhero comics. The thing that the past 30+ years of American comics have been influenced by in some way and that's been done and redone dozens of times. They're trying to do a fresh take, but they don't have the art or writing chops to make extended ethical dilemmas in a comic medium anything but terminable. The comic has to stop and quibble over every problem and consider each viewpoint as if they're all equally valid, like they're going for a spineless "what if the truth [on murdering rapists] is... in the middle?" point. I wouldn't be surprised if they were barely plotting out each chapter before they had to make it. It'd certainly explain the swingy pacing and bizarre digressions for pages.
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Remember the important lesson on ethics SFP has learned from a fake professor? The lesson was that this stuff is pretty complicated. Maybe the truth is not in the middle. Maybe there is no truth. Maybe just kill people you don't like, and don't think about moral implications. E: Also remember how SFP has killed the flamethrower guy? And then endlessly worried about beating up a libertarian? Lol, all those things have happened in the comic.
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Still blows my mind that neither the artist or the writer realized they were crafting a sexual assault scene
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Aug 2, 2017 16:28
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People gave money to their Kickstarter. Twice.
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Calaveron posted:Still blows my mind that neither the artist or the writer realized they were crafting a sexual assault scene Well Allison is a woman and only men can commit sexual assault, duh.
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Calaveron posted:Still blows my mind that neither the artist or the writer realized they were crafting a sexual assault scene More than once too (Patrick's drugging and kidnapping the scientists).
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Paladinus posted:Remember the important lesson on ethics SFP has learned from a fake professor? Live like a batman villain. Only do things when it's funny. Flip a coin to decide who lives and who dies. Use your tragic past to justify your actions. Figure out a theme and develop a ton of gimmicks based on it.
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Flesh Forge posted:More than once too (Patrick's drugging and kidnapping the scientists). Yeah but the writer hadn't really decided when that scene started to have Patrick become just another purely bad antagonist yet so it was ok.
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Calaveron posted:Still blows my mind that neither the artist or the writer realized they were crafting a sexual assault scene Paladinus posted:Remember the important lesson on ethics SFP has learned from a fake professor?
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Brought To You By posted:Feral, her room mate, Patrick's crusade against an unseen conspiracy; all of those storylines were great because they presented Allison with exactly what she struggles with. A problem that can't be punched. She intimidated a magical libertarian into making Feral better, threw a cup so hard at psychic man he might be broken or otherwise dead, and scared her room mate so that she left her life forever. All of those problems were solved with, maybe not literal, punching. I think the greater problem is that the author and artist are playing directly to their audience rather than trying to tell an engaging or interesting story. The same audience that didn't give a poo poo that fireman might be innocent or not, the same audience that doesn't seem to care that the invisible woman tried to kill Clevin and Allison, the same audience that cheered in the comments section for what she did to Max and still continually justify it as "He was asking for it". They've got an audience completely willing to accept the premise that anything the main character does or agrees with is automatically the morally good choice, and anything else is Bad and they're far more at ease pandering to that audience than risking alienating them because this same audience funds all their stuff and will happily praise a months long conversation with no backgrounds.
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The lesson of Strong Female Protagonist is that you don't solve your struggles with violence, you solve them with coercion using the implicit threat of violence (and sometimes still violence).
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the lesson of strong female protagonist is that if you go far enough up your own rear end eventually you emerge out of your own mouth and are reborn as an infinitely wise recursive rear end-to-mouth spirit, also 102% of men have eaten a woman
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Zerilan posted:The lesson of Strong Female Protagonist is that you don't solve your struggles with violence, you solve them with coercion using the implicit threat of violence (and sometimes still violence). i'm going to need a longer throw pillow
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the old ceremony posted:the lesson of strong female protagonist is that if you go far enough up your own rear end eventually you emerge out of your own mouth and are reborn as an infinitely wise recursive rear end-to-mouth spirit, also 102% of men have eaten a woman Of course, the rest of the world outside the rear end can only see that the head is firmly rammed up there.
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Aug 4, 2017 08:27
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Clevin was a wereclevin all along!
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Lol.
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Content warning for the following scene: there is some discussion and depiction of Clevin.
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When did people finally switch from trigger warning to content warning?
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Patrick turning into a crustie is the most shocking twist so far
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super sweet best pal posted:Of course, the rest of the world outside the rear end can only see that the head is firmly rammed up there.
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Not showing Clevin leaving the apartment plus the inconsistent lettering format for Allison's texting from one panel to the next made this page super confusing for me.
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He is not Clevin.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Patrick turning into a crustie is the most shocking twist so far Is that supposed to be Patrick?
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Unlikely, I think he's a new character, maybe?
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Whoever it is let's just hope the comic moves past it quickly so we can see how Big Clev is doing at the pharmacy.
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Crimpolioni posted:Whoever it is let's just hope the comic moves past it quickly so we can see how Big Clev is doing at the pharmacy. He's going to buy a single condom.
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I wish they'd give a content warning about Clevin.
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You couldn't if you wanted to. Clevin contains no content. That's the beautiful thing about Clevin.
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Best Case Scenario: Crusty Neighbor Man is here to congratulate her on getting Valkyrie started, and explains that he overheard her earlier conversation with Clevin, and expresses concern Clevin was being really passive-aggressive and manipulative there. Worst Case Scenario: Crusty Man assaults Allison, who inexplicably forgets that she has superpowers. Clevin comes back (for his phone, obviously), and heroically rescues her. Either way, I already like this guy more than Clevin. He looks like the frontman for a garage band.
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What if crusty man is Clevin, who has just been using mind control powers to make Allis on see him as her perfect man
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Typical Pubbie posted:Not showing Clevin leaving the apartment plus the inconsistent lettering format for Allison's texting from one panel to the next made this page super confusing for me. yeah I know the text bubbles are how phones are laid out- outgoing on right, incoming on left, but having them be literally backwards to comic convention is pretty bad panel layout. Like the doctor's message has an arrow pointing directly at Allison. Like just flip it so she's on the right of the panel and it works so much better. Not like there's a background to worry about e; also how the flow from panel one to two could make it seem like she's going through Clevin's phone at first glance Mazerunner fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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Fuego Fish posted:Is that supposed to be Patrick? It's actually her time-displaced fake professor in his past form before he got all those metal scars
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Nuebot posted:She intimidated a magical libertarian into making Feral better, threw a cup so hard at psychic man he might be broken or otherwise dead, and scared her room mate so that she left her life forever. All of those problems were solved with, maybe not literal, punching. Now we're in the part where Allison is just punching all her problems away and it's working for her where previously the story told us it couldn't. People should have died when Mary blew up that Dam. Allison's organiation should have been shut down as a result of that Congresswoman exerting her influence. And maybe even a police charge and arrest. quote:I think the greater problem is that the author and artist are playing directly to their audience rather than trying to tell an engaging or interesting story. The same audience that didn't give a poo poo that fireman might be innocent or not, the same audience that doesn't seem to care that the invisible woman tried to kill Clevin and Allison, the same audience that cheered in the comments section for what she did to Max and still continually justify it as "He was asking for it". They've got an audience completely willing to accept the premise that anything the main character does or agrees with is automatically the morally good choice, and anything else is Bad and they're far more at ease pandering to that audience than risking alienating them because this same audience funds all their stuff and will happily praise a months long conversation with no backgrounds.
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