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The Anti-Masonic Party was founded in New York in 1828, the first real third party in the US. That's about as mainstream, national and popular as it gets.counterfeitsaint posted:They won't necessarily take him more seriously, that stuff just wan't a common place pop culture joke yet. Many of the jokes and characters in Dr. Strangelove are a parody of the John Birch Society. And don't get me started on Lyndon LaRouche!
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OK, so maybe there were some periods when politically relevant conspiracy theories were big, historically. Are you saying that the late 90s to early 2000s were one of those periods? Because that's the context in which Deus Ex was produced and consumed.
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# ? Aug 2, 2017 09:31 |
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Lork posted:OK, so maybe there were some periods when politically relevant conspiracy theories were big, historically. Are you saying that the late 90s to early 2000s were one of those periods? Because that's the context in which Deus Ex was produced and consumed. Yes, the period when the X-Files was on tv and really popular was a time when conspiracy theories and paranormal stuff was being featured in mainstream media so people were much more aware of it. The spread of internet access at the same time helped with this because it was easier for folk to share conspiracies and find fellow crazies.
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# ? Aug 2, 2017 09:59 |
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Whether they were mainstream or not isn't what's being talked about. Conspiracy theories about alien abductions did not drive US politics like conspiracies about Obama's birth certificate or whatever do now, is the point.
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# ? Aug 2, 2017 10:03 |
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That's not a very good conspiracy
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# ? Aug 2, 2017 10:55 |
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Lemon-Lime posted:Whether they were mainstream or not isn't what's being talked about. Conspiracy theories about alien abductions did not drive US politics like conspiracies about Obama's birth certificate or whatever do now, is the point. *Unless you're telling me that the hilarious sitcom trope of "your racist uncle who thinks Obama is coming to take his guns away" just completely passed me by. Lork fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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Lork posted:Whether the conspiracies theories themselves were more innocent or not, they absolutely weren't weaponized the way they are today. If there was a 90s equivalent to something like Sandy Hook trutherism it may have been just as despicable, but it didn't have a mainstream entity like the Trump campaign to latch on to it and adopt it as the party line or wide reaching propaganda outlets like Infowars to broadcast it. Conspiracy theories in the 90s definitely had a popular perception of being "harmless" whether that was actually true or not, and that's not the case anymore - far more people take them seriously, and in turn people take the fact that they're being taken seriously... seriously. Pictured: the totally harmless anti-government conspiracy theories that completely dominated conservative discourse during the Clinton administration.
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# ? Aug 2, 2017 13:34 |
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Watergate
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# ? Aug 2, 2017 13:46 |
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The government WANTS you to think that conspiracies only existed post 1999. It's part of a conspiracy.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUIcCyPOA30
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# ? Aug 2, 2017 15:39 |
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If you asked a few hundred people what the word Illuminati meant in 2000 would you get the same response as you would if you asked it today?
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# ? Aug 2, 2017 21:33 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:If you asked a few hundred people what the word Illuminati meant in 2000 would you get the same response as you would if you asked it today? Yes. These responses being 1. "What?" 2. "They're Masonic Reptilian Jews! They fluoridate the chemtrails!" (ironically) 3. "They're Masonic Reptilian Jews! They fluoridate the chemtrails!" (unironically) 4. "A secret society in Bavaria, but they were disbanded in 1785. "
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# ? Aug 2, 2017 22:16 |
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The look on Joe's face is gold. You know you're in deep when even Joe "the moon landing was fake" Rogan thinks you're nuts.
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# ? Aug 2, 2017 23:32 |
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It's 100% accurate to say Conspiracy theories have a totally different role in culture today than they did in 2000. In 2000, Alex Jones was a fringe radio whacko who hated the US Government. Now he runs a successful media empire that acts as a mouthpiece for Trump and Republican policy. Or in Deus Ex terms, in 2000 Alex Jones would have been a ranting bum in Hell's Kitchen. Now he'd have an office in MJ12's headquarters.
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 00:24 |
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It's accurate but it doesn't detract from Deus Ex in my mind. The conspiracy theories of today are totally different, there's some overlap but the Illuminati theories and such are still so detached from reality that it doesn't feel like there's any connection between that and current conspiracy theories.
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 01:10 |
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I agree that having the president consume and endorse media that glorifies bat poo poo crazy conspiracy theories to the point of letting them influence or even dictate what passes for policy is a new thing in 2017. I also agree that this gives a voice to people who have always believed this poo poo but knew it was the kind of thing that other people would (properly) laugh at before it got legitimized by the white house. I disagree that conspiracy theories were somehow underground, unfamiliar, or otherwise missing from pop culture before this. Look up Art Bell and coast to coast AM - conspiracy theory radio shows have been wildly popular long before Alex Jones. Tabloid readership was also huge back when print media was huge. None of this is new aside from Trump's election victory enabling vocal belief in it.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 01:33 |
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Fox had a primetime special in the late 90s about how the moon landing was faked.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 03:51 |
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Also the Oliver Stone movie JFK was a huge deal and more or less cemented a lot of pop culture fixation on government coverups and conspiracy theories. It wasn't even limited to conservative ideology, the Million Man March was rife with anti-semitism. 90s America was a kid living in sterile environment and developing allergies left and right without a foreign enemy to worry about.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 04:13 |
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I won't miss the frequent doomsaying of the planet going to end, now that the money for it dried up. I wonder why they stopped pushing it when they still had the data for it? It was just a little cash.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 05:43 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:Sure they are. This was even discussed in the Human Revolution commentary. They couldn't make a game with the exact same tone as the original DX now, because today everyone has heard the word illuminati and conspiracy theories are jokes about lizard men and chem trails. When DX came out, this was not the case. Fake edit: Bloodlines has the same feel, especially the first half of the game.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 06:43 |
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Zephro posted:Deus Ex had this very distinctive late-90s/millennial/eschatological feel to it ("millennial" as in the time period, not the stupid marketing category for young people). I'm not sure I could put my finger on exactly what's different now but something is and the game definitely feels like a piece of the past. Not that that's a bad thing at all but I agree that it would feel odd to use the same tone in a modern game. It's like Guy Mann said a couple of posts up. The USA (and let's be honest, many nations) psychologically craves an adversary, and in the 90s there wasn't one, so the people unconsciously created one.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 07:55 |
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Zephro posted:Deus Ex had this very distinctive late-90s/millennial/eschatological feel to it ("millennial" as in the time period, not the stupid marketing category for young people). I'm not sure I could put my finger on exactly what's different now but something is and the game definitely feels like a piece of the past. Not that that's a bad thing at all but I agree that it would feel odd to use the same tone in a modern game. Yeah. In the game world established by DX, the Illuminati should be a very big deal during HR, but it only comes up a single time at the end of the game, and Jensen rolls his eyes when he says it sarcastically. If HR treated the Illuminati with the same serious tone as the original it would have come off as absurd. That's what I'm (so poorly) trying to say, not that conspiracies didn't exist in the 90s.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 08:12 |
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JC reacts nearly the same way when he hears about the Illuminati from Tong as well so it does pay a bit of lipservice to the idea that it sounds ridiculous.
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# ? Aug 4, 2017 10:40 |
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Although in both games the Illuminati was portrayed as almost completely incompetent. In HR they try and play both sides and end up nearly losing to some bit players and by Deus Ex they've got half their organization taken over by a single businessman.
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# ? Aug 5, 2017 11:23 |
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Gaius Marius posted:and by Deus Ex they've got half their organization taken over by a single businessman. Yeah. Me.
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# ? Aug 6, 2017 07:12 |
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I had a dream last night that I was back in college and my new roommate was playing Dues Ex on the GameCube. Who/Why did they hide this GameCube edition from everyone? What exclusive content is hidden from us forever?
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# ? Aug 6, 2017 18:04 |
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There'd be like a statue of Mario and Yoshi in Paul's apartment or some poo poo
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# ? Aug 6, 2017 19:28 |
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The special edition would come with a controller in the shape of sunglasses, and it would be very difficult to use Nobody would have asked for it
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:There'd be like a statue of Mario and Yoshi in Paul's apartment or some poo poo Human Revolution made SquareSoft the canonical winner of the console wars.
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# ? Aug 6, 2017 19:45 |
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Caufman posted:Human Revolution made SquareSoft the canonical winner of the console wars. Actually per Mankind Divided it was Soloto. AMD is still going strong in the PC world, though.
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# ? Aug 6, 2017 20:29 |
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Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles
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# ? Aug 6, 2017 21:16 |
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Former Human posted:Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles Say what you will about Mankind Divided, the had a lot of fun making all those little apartment tableaus.
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# ? Aug 6, 2017 23:01 |
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That attention to detail probably bogged down their release timelines and contributed to future games getting canned but I loved it, dammit
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# ? Aug 7, 2017 01:52 |
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A bit tangential, but I love those walking simulators like Tacoma where you can pick most things up and see all the small details the creators put into the objects.
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# ? Aug 7, 2017 02:05 |
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https://twitter.com/selmaleh/status/813966923033518080
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# ? Aug 7, 2017 10:18 |
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cross-posting of the retarded poo poo i gave birth too in the 10 minutes after finishing invisible war from the gbs thread in case anyone has any thoughts on iw or wants to call me stupid and tell me i missed the point:quote:i just finished my playthrough of the four dx games, going dx1 -- hr -- md -- iw. i've already written bout the first three, so regarding iw:
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# ? Aug 15, 2017 10:06 |
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quote:having written all this, a remake by a competent team would probably be really good. there's potential there, but it falls short in ways that should have been predictable at the time the decisions were made. There are enough good ideas that you could make a game with similar themes, I think, but you'd have to change so much in a remake that you might as well just make a new game.
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# ? Aug 15, 2017 21:03 |
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I'm currently playing through the Director's Cut version of Human Revolution. I've played the original release already but this is my first time with the DC, and I'm wondering about something regarding the Missing Link segment. I know you're supposed to get all your Praxis points back at the end, but does this include points that you haven't spent yet at the time you start the DLC? I have ten unspent points and I'd hate to lose them, but I also don't want to spend them all yet since I'd rather wait until I come across an obstacle I can buy an augmentation to help me get around.
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# ? Sep 24, 2017 19:54 |
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You'll get all your poo poo back, but for goodness sake you're not going to run into some unbypassable nightmare hallway with layered gas, electric floor, punchable wall, hack 5 security and an icarus drop that will require you to have banked 10 praxis to use on obstacle avoidance augs. Spend your points and be a cool cyborg man, ya doofus.
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[quote="“Mzbundifund”" post="“476754863”"] You’ll get all your poo poo back, but for goodness sake you’re not going to run into some unbypassable nightmare hallway with layered gas, electric floor, punchable wall, hack 5 security and an icarus drop that will require you to have banked 10 praxis to use on obstacle avoidance augs. Spend your points and be a cool cyborg man, ya doofus. [/quote] In past playthroughs I've spent my points as soon as I've earned them, but doing it this way is actually working out great. I'm only spending them on stuff I actually use (instead of inevitably wasting a few on stuff that sounds cool but I never think to take advantage of), and having a few extra laying around allows me to do stuff like I did yesterday, where I had to get through a group of guys I couldn't effectively sneak up on, so I instantly maxed out my cloaking aug and got them all with takedowns. It was dope.
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