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KidDynamite posted:When I asked about runway during an initial chat with a startup they answered by saying can't say exacts because we need you to sign an nda but we just signed a 5 year lease and money is no object. That's a bad sign, right? depends, are you okay fleeing a sinking ship in about 6-18 months after bleeding them dry?
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huhu posted:I'm currently attempting to negotiate a contract position in Boston. It's a bit of a jack of all trades position (front end, back end, hardware, mechanical engineering design, pcb design) and they asked me how many figgies and I told them I currently make $40/hour (current + some more) and they mistook that as me wanting $40/hour and tried to offer me that and vaguely hinted that $40/hour was a hard amount to request from their boss. This is a great jump in responsibility and duties. I have 0 idea of what to ask for. Any suggestions? For all the skills they need, I have about 5 years total experience. you've learned an important lesson on why you never tell people what you currently make
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AnoHito posted:depends, are you okay fleeing a sinking ship in about 6-18 months after bleeding them dry? The answer to this better be "yes" by anyone in this thread
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KidDynamite posted:When I asked about runway during an initial chat with a startup they answered by saying can't say exacts because we need you to sign an nda but we just signed a 5 year lease and money is no object. That's a bad sign, right? if money is no object then they can give you a dumptruck full of it. thats a good sign imo
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Aug 4, 2017 22:21
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drat it. I forgot how much of a hassle the new job poo poo can be. i don't remember doing all of this background check stuff for the last gig, but it's been so long that I might just be forgetting
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Aug 4, 2017 22:33
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Also if you are forced to say what you earn, just renegotiate when they give the offer. If they won't budge because "well that proposal is not what your current wage is" then sever immediately because clearly they do not understand how this works.
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Aug 4, 2017 22:34
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you're never forced to say what you earn if someone tries to make it all "omg you're being a real awkward nerd here by not telling us" in fact they are being obnoxious and awkward (and know it), and that poo poo is not your problem. it is a two way street, don't get steamrolled into loving yourself over because some recruiter is insisting that you're an awkward nerd for not doing just that. that said, saying what you're looking for can be advantageous.
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Aug 4, 2017 23:36
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:you're never forced to say what you earn i don't really consider it getting hosed over though. if they think your current salary is somehow relevant to their hiring process, most likely you don't want to work there anyway since they obviously care more about getting a low price than getting the correct worker for the job.
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KidDynamite posted:When I asked about runway during an initial chat with a startup they answered by saying can't say exacts because we need you to sign an nda but we just signed a 5 year lease and money is no object. That's a bad sign, right? run awaaaaaaaaaaaaay
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Aug 5, 2017 00:14
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money's only an object if you plan on spending it
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Aug 5, 2017 00:16
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at the end of the day most employers know you don't find quality long-term workers by trying to undercut the market. only the bad ones with tiny profits, if any, have this mentality and you should avoid.
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Aug 5, 2017 00:23
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https://twitter.com/whateverr_r/status/892063509739175936
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Aug 5, 2017 00:46
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:if someone tries to make it all "omg you're being a real awkward nerd here by not telling us" ive cleverly solved this by becoming a real awkward nerd full time
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Aug 5, 2017 00:51
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I have this horrible job for life.
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Aug 5, 2017 02:36
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JawnV6 posted:ive cleverly solved this by becoming a real awkward nerd full time method acting for interviews
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Aug 5, 2017 14:54
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I did the whole startup always running out of money thing. just make sure you have you life setup so that you can be mobile. For me this was being single and having a month to month sublet with a few months salary saved up. if not the stress and the stress from you SO makes it not worth it. also they are gonna be unlimited vacation so that they can avoid lump sums when you quit or they fold so take advantage of that to the max.
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Aug 5, 2017 16:06
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KidDynamite posted:When I asked about runway during an initial chat with a startup they answered by saying can't say exacts because we need you to sign an nda but we just signed a 5 year lease and money is no object. That's a bad sign, right? signing a five year lease does not mean they have five years of runway. a cavalier attitude toward cash in a startup seems like a bad sign though.
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Aug 5, 2017 18:11
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I like to take the Socratic approach. how much do you currently make? what's your maximum allocation?
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leper khan posted:signing a five year lease does not mean they have five years of runway. a cavalier attitude toward cash in a startup seems like a bad sign though.  s
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Aug 5, 2017 18:16
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Went to an informational at a small-ish company (sub 100 employees), turned out to be a interview. Because they are a small company, they said I'd be able to choose 1099 or W2, and that "there isn't much difference in pay rate between the two". lol ok And that they are planning on adding benefits (e.g. Health Care+401(k) ) next year. I should have declined the "informational" opportunity, their website not having any info on benefits was a sign.
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Aug 5, 2017 18:36
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trip report on this: dude took control of my screen and started drawing on it to tell me to stop talking (rubber duck debugging is good and cool) also stopped my test when i got too far into a it also took about 30 minutes to actually start the test between showing my ID, getting connected, and having to move my webcam around the room to show i'm not a cheater would NOT recommend ProctorU to anyone ever
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also the test was 4 programming questions with no way to test/run them and the "syntax highlighting" in the text window only highlighted whatever it felt like writing c# freehand is a pain in the dick when i only ever write it using the One True IDE Visual Studio
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Shaman Linavi posted:trip report on this: why did you submit yourself to that?
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leper khan posted:why did you submit yourself to that? That's what they have students do to intern there, unless you went to UWM, from my understanding.
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Aug 5, 2017 21:51
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webcam this is where you should've turned down the interview
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Aug 5, 2017 21:54
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just loving lol at giving a complete stranger remote access to your personal computer. i would've literally responded with "gently caress you" and nothing more in the email.
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Aug 5, 2017 21:57
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Shaman Linavi posted:also the test was 4 programming questions with no way to test/run them and the "syntax highlighting" in the text window only highlighted whatever it felt like If you live in the area they make you do it with pencil and paper.
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qhat posted:just loving lol at giving a complete stranger remote access to your personal computer. i would've literally responded with "gently caress you" and nothing more in the email. nah its fine, you can trust the internet man, just remember to have your reflective compact disc at hand to show him your living quarters
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Aug 5, 2017 23:45
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you made a bad decision the correct decision was noted by qhat
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Aug 5, 2017 23:52
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is cheating on tech interviews a thing? on "homework" I'd understand, but during an actual interview it seems like a terrible idea and it's pretty easy to tell
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i have no idea how you would cheat on a tech interview in person. and besides, they'll figure you out anyway if they are not completely incompetent.
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cool av posted:is cheating on tech interviews a thing? on "homework" I'd understand, but during an actual interview it seems like a terrible idea and it's pretty easy to tell during a phone interview you often have people googling for the answer while they are talking. or they will have a friend listening in and telling them the answers or looking them up.
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the last telephone interview i carried for my old company was also the biggest trainwreck interview i've ever seen. the guy couldn't answer a single basic compsci question correctly and was audibly typing in the background. at one point he described precisely what polymorphism is and how it relates to inheritance, but when asked what inheritance was, he didn't know. we sent an email to recruiting that day telling them that a follow up meeting wasn't necessary and to reject the guy instantly, which was rare.
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The Management posted:during a phone interview you often have people googling for the answer while they are talking. or they will have a friend listening in and telling them the answers or looking them up. lol I had this happen once when I was giving an phone screen. it was soooo obvious
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At first i was gonna say "oh just tell them that you don't have a webcam, and run the thing in a vm" But then i realized that even if you passed this interview it'd just mean being accepted to a company that consists entirely of idiots who couldn't get into a company with a less demeaning interview process
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Progressive JPEG posted:At first i was gonna say "oh just tell them that you don't have a webcam, and run the thing in a vm" the only way to stop this practice from becoming standard is to reject it as a class. I did my part by ending process with Facebook earlier this year. I wish I had a list of places that did this, so I could start a drive to have people start interviewing and terminate the process when they get to that point.
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Aug 6, 2017 10:51
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passed my first coding screener. and got my first we are not going to move forward email. 
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we really need a software union, or at least some kind of professional organization at this point a good one; not the AMA of CS
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lancemantis posted:we really need a software union, or at least some kind of professional organization at this point hi, you're in the job hopping for big figgies thread. perhaps you meant to post this in the cjs thread or better yet gbs
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CJS: I make like 6k every two weeks after tax
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